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Poll: Christian hard rock
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farouk
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And I reckon also you'd enjoy it if it was you that got to choose the tracks being played at a Christian Hard Rock Cafe, right?
Blessings.
And I reckon also you'd enjoy it if it was you that got to choose the tracks being played at a Christian Hard Rock Cafe, right?
Blessings.
farouk
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Hi kiwidan! so do you see a significant difference between metal and hard rock? I think that Disciple has some outstanding quality hard rock and also some highly clear Biblical lyrics.
Blessings.
Or they completely misinterpret the lyrics and go all "SEE, SATANIC TRASH!!!!1!"...which drives me crazy, personally. I was reading something the other day that happened to mention rock songs promoting violence. It shared some lyrics, and I was thinking, "I'd have to see the whole thing before I know if this is true or not". You can take just about anything out of context. It didn't name the songs, so I didn't look them up. I could probably type in the lyrics on Google and come up with a list of the entirety of the kyrics, but I already put the book away and finding that part of it again would be hard.
"You'll come to kill me, but you'll end up dead" could be taken as lyrics promoting violence. But no, it's from the song Overtake You, by Red. A Christian band. The lyrics aren't about violence. It could be interpreted as a song about the world, the flesh, and the devil and how they'll lose in the end.
"You'll come to kill me, but you'll end up dead" could be taken as lyrics promoting violence. But no, it's from the song Overtake You, by Red. A Christian band. The lyrics aren't about violence. It could be interpreted as a song about the world, the flesh, and the devil and how they'll lose in the end.
farouk
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To add to this, I haven't checked it out myself, but I was watching a criticism of an old Christian anti-rock propaganda film.
One of the things the film said was claiming the song "Hell Ain't a Bad Place to Be" was an anti-Christian song. I know nothing of that song myself, but the person criticizing the film pointed out that the song is about a guy with a woman who drives him crazy, or something like that.
Basically, if you're going to criticize something, get your facts straight.
farouk
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questdriven:
I see that you are maybe kind of getting more and more into defending rock, as almost a cause.
Or maybe it's simply that you want to see honesty and accuracy among those who claim to discuss it.
(Your posts about Christian hard rock are often thoughtful, anyway.)
Blessings.
No, just those that do it without really knowing what they're talking about annoy me. Like, there was this Christian propaganda film from the '80s about "witchcraft" or "Satanism" in children's cartoons, and the things the two guys in that film were saying put me in a very bad mood. There was very little logic to what they were saying, and they usually seemed to judge the cartoons solely on their first impressions. And most of those cartoons I had never watched myself.
This would be true with almost any subject, although moreso with the ones I might feel inclined to defend.
This would be true with almost any subject, although moreso with the ones I might feel inclined to defend.
There was a list a certain person who shall remain unnamed showed me once, which was supposed to be of occultic symbols to watch out for in cartoons.
Among the things listed in the list were things like black cats and ghosts...like, friggen seriously!?!?! After looking at several pages, I decided it was not worth my time and just put it away.
Alchemy and the philosopher's stone were on the list, as well. Well, I'm not an expert on alchemy, but from what I read it was not a cult. It was a search for a cure to all diseases, and a way to turn lead into gold. It eventually led to the science of chemistry. (Cue the Christians saying chemistry is evil now...)
Also, I don't think that just because a cartoon has something like that in it means that the creators want you to convert to it or whatever. Seeing a symbol makes you a part of that cult now???
MAYBE, they just think that magic or alchemy or whatever simply adds an interesting element to the story. But no, some would have you believe that if a cartoon has magic or something like that that your children will grow up to be witches...sheesh.
farouk
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questdriven:
Okay, I see, ty.
Kind of, you're not setting out to be an advocate for hard rock, but when you see glaring inaccuracies in what uninformed people say about it, you with your knowledge and appreciation of it want to set the record straight, to some extent, I guess. And not just hard rock; other things, too. (Even tattoos, I suppose, would come into a similar category of stuff that gets a 'bad press' sometimes for inaccurate reasons, I suppose.)
Blessings.
The NKJV gets bad press by some because they claim the symbol on it is occultic. I hate it when people make paranoid assumptions without actually knowing the story.
farouk
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questdriven:
It denotes the Trinity (which is eminently a Scriptural teaching!)
The NKJV is a good version, I would judge. Some Fundamentalists perceive it as a 'threat' to the King James and so they unfortunately try to denigrate it by whatever means; I've been aware of this tactic for many years, actually.
I guess we are moving a bit away from hard rock now.
Blessings.
farouk
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People should stop judging "albums' and bands, like black sabbath by there covers. lol.
I don't know much about it. Is it supposed to be occultic? by its design, some people might think it is, even if it's not intended to be. So it's a two way thing, I guess.
Oh, that reminds me.People should stop judging "albums' and bands, like black sabbath by there covers. lol.
One of the anti-modern music tracts I looked at criticized Michael W. Smith because he used a specific font on one of his albums that they claimed had occultic/witchcraft ties. Where's the logic in that...? So they're going to assume that it's not just because he thought it looked nice? But no, they used it to say he must be some evil person posing as a Christian artist...
I used to believe it, too.=/
farouk
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questdriven:
Yes, and Disciple's lyrics are often sung with controlled and calculated screaming, aren't they?
Blessings.
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George Muller
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These symbols are used by satanic groups, and the satanist very much believe they hold evil power. The devil is very real and works through these things and those who play music for him. satan himself was formed to be musical.
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created
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George Muller
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I allow that you know your own conscience Edward, but for me I decided that I dont try to walk fine lines, I have no fellowship with such things. No offense intended toward you or anyone else who listens to those groups, but for me it is not even an option.
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George Muller
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Yes I read them, and I look at the seal they have on their album cover. Again I am a "all in" or "all out" kinda guy. Also I feel I have lost some young people in ministry, because they just wanted to hold on to a few worldly things such as their music.
And I believe this music had the effect on them to draw them back into the world. For as they listened to this music, it stirred up in them old ways and thought patterns and holiness begins in our thoughts.
Da 3:5 That at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up:
6 And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.
7 Therefore at that time, when all the people heard the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and all kinds of musick, all the people, the nations, and the languages, fell down and worshipped the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up.
8 ¶ Wherefore at that time certain Chaldeans came near, and accused the Jews.
9 They spake and said to the king Nebuchadnezzar, O king, live for ever.
10 Thou, O king, hast made a decree, that every man that shall hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, shall fall down and worship the golden image:
farouk
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George Muller:
Some good food for thought, anyway, and the spirit in which you are commenting commends itself, also.
What I wanted to ask was, a band such as Disciple is hard rock in style; and its lyrics are often very bold and Scriptural, communicating well to young people. Would you discount such efforts to communicate the Gospel through such means?
Blessings.