Poll: Is ear piercing really too 'liberal'?

[farouk]

Re: Is it supposedly 'liberal' to let your son pierce his ears?

No, I don't think it would be. I would warn him before he got it about the professional repercussions of getting one, but if he still wanted it, I guess I would relent. No gauges, though. lol

elizabethbraddock:

Yes, it's very widespread, isn't it? and not at all unusual.

Just to point out: you seemed to say one, in the singular. You know of course that most men and boys have both earlobes pierced now, when they do it?

Blessings.

 

[elizabethbraddock]

Re: Is it supposedly 'liberal' to let your son pierce his ears?

elizabethbraddock:

Yes, it's very widespread, isn't it? and not at all unusual.

Just to point out: you seemed to say one, in the singular. You know of course that most men and boys have both earlobes pierced now, when they do it?

Blessings.

Yeah, sorry if I was vague. I meant one in each ear.

 

[farouk]

Re: Is it supposedly 'liberal' to let your son pierce his ears?

Yeah, sorry if I was vague. I meant one in each ear.

elizabethbraddock:

No prob.; & ty.

Earlier in the thread there was a bit of talk about which ear is the appropriate one for a young man to pierce, but this whole question seems to have been done away with now, since men and boys, when they pierce their ears, usually pierce both.

It's probably just as well to let one's son go the whole way and get both ears done, isn't it?

Blessings.

 

[elizabethbraddock]

Re: Is it supposedly 'liberal' to let your son pierce his ears?

elizabethbraddock:

No prob.; & ty.

Earlier in the thread there was a bit of talk about which ear is the appropriate one for a young man to pierce, but this whole question seems to have been done away with now, since men and boys, when they pierce their ears, usually pierce both.

It's probably just as well to let one's son go the whole way and get both ears done, isn't it?

Blessings.

Definitely, to avoid any type of misunderstanding. In the old days, if you were doing a single piercing, you'd better make sure it was the left ear if you were a guy. Otherwise, people would think things.

 

[farouk]

Re: Is it supposedly 'liberal' to let your son pierce his ears?

Definitely, to avoid any type of misunderstanding. In the old days, if you were doing a single piercing, you'd better make sure it was the left ear if you were a guy. Otherwise, people would think things.

elizabethbraddock:

Yes, this was a long time ago already, wasn't it, in the days when men and boys did only one ear. Now, doing both earlobes is almost universal.

If he's interested in ear piercing, I can see you encouraging your son to do both, right?

Blessings.

 

[elizabethbraddock]

Re: Is it supposedly 'liberal' to let your son pierce his ears?

elizabethbraddock:

Yes, this was a long time ago already, wasn't it, in the days when men and boys did only one ear. Now, doing both earlobes is almost universal.

If he's interested in ear piercing, I can see you encouraging your son to do both, right?

Blessings.

If I had a son, and he absolutely had to get a piercing, yes, I would prefer he do both of them.

 

[farouk]

Re: Is it supposedly 'liberal' to let your son pierce his ears?

Growing up pentecostal in the 50s almost everything was sin.... Ear piercing was a SIN so the ladies wore clipons... Some how lipstick was a sin and RED lip stick was worser sin.

Praise God for the liberty in Christ!

reba:

It kind of begs the question, what color is lipstick otherwise supposed to be?!

Nowadays, pastors' wives with ear piercings (and maybe their sons also?) is very widespread, right?

 

[elizabethbraddock]

Re: Is it supposedly 'liberal' to let your son pierce his ears?

Growing up pentecostal in the 50s almost everything was sin.... Ear piercing was a SIN so the ladies wore clipons... Some how lipstick was a sin and RED lip stick was worser sin.

Praise God for the liberty in Christ!

Oh, no! NOT THE RED!! :toofunny

 

[farouk]

Re: Is it supposedly 'liberal' to let your son pierce his ears?

If I had a son, and he absolutely had to get a piercing, yes, I would prefer he do both of them.

elizabethbraddock:

Apart from anything else, it's kind of more symmetrical and balanced-looking, in any case, isn't it?

(Though I know that cartilage piercings are often a-symmetrically placed.)

 

[farouk]

Re: Is it supposedly 'liberal' to let your son pierce his ears?

i HATE the gauges

reba:

Well, I guess there are gauges and gauges. Some ppl don't go below a 06 or a 04. A 02 is sometimes reckoned to be 'the point of no return', but it can vary a little from person to person, I guess.

One of the tattooists on LA Ink has gauges which seem to suit her in a chic way, but it's not a look for everyone, or one that everyone would be able to pull off.

 

[Lewis]

Re: Is it supposedly 'liberal' to let your son pierce his ears?

My left ear is pierced I where a earring sometimes. I wear a diamond or a hanging cross, and I am a conservative.

 

[Kidron]

Re: Is it supposedly 'liberal' to let your son pierce his ears?

My left ear is pierced I where a earring sometimes. I wear a diamond or a hanging cross, and I am a conservative.

If you pierced your tongue or your nipples, what are you then?

And why do you think its acceptable to pierce one part of your body, yet if you pierce another it is "taboo"?
Who do you think decided this point of view, and is it the truth?

Piercing your nipples, your nose, your eyebrow, your tongue, your ear, or your sex organ.
Which one of these proves you are "ok" or "not ok" and why"?

And finally, if God has an opinion about you piercing your nipples, why would he not have an opinion about you piercing your ears?

Do you know what his opinion is about it?
Why dont you know?


K

 

[handy]

Re: Is it supposedly 'liberal' to let your son pierce his ears?

There's an interesting passage in Ezekiel that gives us an insight into God's opinion of adornment and jewelery

This is God, speaking of Jerusalem:

7 I made you numerous like plants of the field. Then you grew up, became tall and reached the age for fine ornaments; your breasts were formed and your hair had grown. Yet you were naked and bare.
8 “Then I passed by you and saw you, and behold, you were at the time for love; so I spread My skirt over you and covered your nakedness. I also swore to you and entered into a covenant with you so that you became Mine,†declares the Lord God. <sup class="versenum">9 </sup>“Then I bathed you with water, washed off your blood from you and anointed you with oil. <sup class="versenum">10 </sup>I also clothed you with embroidered cloth and put sandals of porpoise skin on your feet; and I wrapped you with fine linen and covered you with silk. <sup class="versenum">11 </sup>I adorned you with ornaments, put bracelets on your hands and a necklace around your neck. <sup class="versenum">12 </sup>I also put a ring in your nostril, earrings in your ears and a beautiful crown on your head. <sup class="versenum">13 </sup>Thus you were adorned with gold and silver, and your dress was of fine linen, silk and embroidered cloth. You ate fine flour, honey and oil; so you were exceedingly beautiful and advanced to royalty. <sup class="versenum">14 </sup>Then your fame went forth among the nations on account of your beauty, for it was perfect because of My splendor which I bestowed on you,†declares the Lord God. Ezekiel 16

So, God, speaking of Jerusalem as a loving suitor does of a bride, speaks of adornments, including nose and earrings. There are also other texts which speak of both men and women having rings, nose as well as ear, as adornments. Certainly if God felt piercings to be sinful, He wouldn't portray them so positively in such a tender, loving, even sensual way.

For Christians, we need to remember that our outward appearance needs to be modest and that our true adornment is a gentle and quiet spirit. However, this doesn't mean that we cannot wear earrings or nose piercings... and I don't see any ban on piercing any other body part either...

These things tend to be very cultural and culture changes. For instance, if I were to go out to the store wearing what I wore today, capri pants and a short-sleeved t-shirt (it was quite hot today)... but wear it in the 1700's in Boston, it would be the height of immodesty and people would think me no better than a prostitute. However, the days of it being shockingly sinful for a woman to show her bare ankles are long, long gone.

The same can be said for piercings and tattoos. When I was young, these things were associated with drunken sailors, biker gangs and (as far as earrings on men) gays...

Not so any more. Tattoos and piercings are no longer considered immoral or immodest. For the Christian who gets them, we do need to keep in mind that we need to exercise self-control and be modest... so if one starts walking around with so many body piercings and tatts that it focuses all attention on one's personal appearance rather than one's inner spirit or especially one's gospel message, then one is most likely not exercising self-control or being modest.

One thing I do remind my kids of though... while rings can be taken out and piercings closed up... tatts are far more permanent. And, although it's quite fashionable, even faddish to have tattoos now, who knows how the fashion might change in a few years... It wouldn't matter to me if either of my kids get piercings (paid for by themselves)... but no tattoos... not until they are old enough to fully understand that a tattoo will be there for the long haul.

Of course that's me. Their father views things differently... Viola can get her lobes pierced when she wants, but Thomas... not Steve's son, no way.

 

[Kidron]

Re: Is it supposedly 'liberal' to let your son pierce his ears?

There's an interesting passage in Ezekiel that gives us an insight into God's opinion of adornment and jewelery

This is God, speaking of Jerusalem:

7 I made you numerous like plants of the field. Then you grew up, became tall and reached the age for fine ornaments; your breasts were formed and your hair had grown. Yet you were naked and bare.
8 “Then I passed by you and saw you, and behold, you were at the time for love; so I spread My skirt over you and covered your nakedness. I also swore to you and entered into a covenant with you so that you became Mine,” declares the Lord God. <sup class="versenum">9 </sup>“Then I bathed you with water, washed off your blood from you and anointed you with oil. <sup class="versenum">10 </sup>I also clothed you with embroidered cloth and put sandals of porpoise skin on your feet; and I wrapped you with fine linen and covered you with silk. <sup class="versenum">11 </sup>I adorned you with ornaments, put bracelets on your hands and a necklace around your neck. <sup class="versenum">12 </sup>I also put a ring in your nostril, earrings in your ears and a beautiful crown on your head. <sup class="versenum">13 </sup>Thus you were adorned with gold and silver, and your dress was of fine linen, silk and embroidered cloth. You ate fine flour, honey and oil; so you were exceedingly beautiful and advanced to royalty. <sup class="versenum">14 </sup>Then your fame went forth among the nations on account of your beauty, for it was perfect because of My splendor which I bestowed on you,” declares the Lord God. Ezekiel 16

So, God, speaking of Jerusalem as a loving suitor does of a bride, speaks of adornments, including nose and earrings. There are also other texts which speak of both men and women having rings, nose as well as ear, as adornments. Certainly if God felt piercings to be sinful, He wouldn't portray them so positively in such a tender, loving, even sensual way.

For Christians, we need to remember that our outward appearance needs to be modest and that our true adornment is a gentle and quiet spirit. However, this doesn't mean that we cannot wear earrings or nose piercings... and I don't see any ban on piercing any other body part either...

These things tend to be very cultural and culture changes. For instance, if I were to go out to the store wearing what I wore today, capri pants and a short-sleeved t-shirt (it was quite hot today)... but wear it in the 1700's in Boston, it would be the height of immodesty and people would think me no better than a prostitute. However, the days of it being shockingly sinful for a woman to show her bare ankles are long, long gone.

The same can be said for piercings and tattoos. When I was young, these things were associated with drunken sailors, biker gangs and (as far as earrings on men) gays...

Not so any more. Tattoos and piercings are no longer considered immoral or immodest. For the Christian who gets them, we do need to keep in mind that we need to exercise self-control and be modest... so if one starts walking around with so many body piercings and tatts that it focuses all attention on one's personal appearance rather than one's inner spirit or especially one's gospel message, then one is most likely not exercising self-control or being modest.

One thing I do remind my kids of though... while rings can be taken out and piercings closed up... tatts are far more permanent. And, although it's quite fashionable, even faddish to have tattoos now, who knows how the fashion might change in a few years... It wouldn't matter to me if either of my kids get piercings (paid for by themselves)... but no tattoos... not until they are old enough to fully understand that a tattoo will be there for the long haul.

Of course that's me. Their father views things differently... Viola can get her lobes pierced when she wants, but Thomas... not Steve's son, no way.

Interesting answer.
I think there is a verse in Leviticus that says not to make any mark upon your body if someone wanted to use the Old Testament to try to argue a point now that we are
in New Testament "grace" times.

For my money, i would simply ask why a person feels the need to do what the world thinks is popular if that person is trying to represent God in the world.
I have a bit of an issue with "being in the world but not of it" when it comes to tats and tongue piercings.
Frankly, i just dont see Jesus in a Tattoo parlor getting a tat, nor do i see Paul in a piercing shop getting a ring in his whatever.
Im sure there are Christians who would disagree.
However, thats just my take on "holiness", and so, there it is...

I suppose i have to wonder what the heart motive is when a Christian decides to get a tat #16 and piercing #26.

The good news is, that at the judgement seat of Christ we get to explain why we did things in the body of Christ such as tats and body piercings and
while never witnessing to a lost person.

When i think of this, it tends to sober me up and gives me a lot more holy focus.

Its probably a good idea for all believers to realize they are heading to the judgement seat of Christ.
They should think about this and think about dying, often.




K

 

[Lewis]

Re: Is it supposedly 'liberal' to let your son pierce his ears?

My left ear is pierced I where a earring sometimes. I wear a diamond or a hanging cross, and I am a conservative.

Did I say anything about nipples:bigfrown2

 

[jasoncran]

Re: Is it supposedly 'liberal' to let your son pierce his ears?

no tatoos for me.i know alot of christians that do that. my sister in law is one of them.

 

[joethemechanic]

Re: Is it supposedly 'liberal' to let your son pierce his ears?

Personally, I'm happy with the number of holes God gave me. I really don't have any desire to add more.


About the "lipstick thing" ,,,,

I can assure you red lipstick has led me into sin on a few occasions. It probably wasn't a good idea in hindsight.

 

[farouk]

Re: Is it supposedly 'liberal' to let your son pierce his ears?

Guys, ty for the contributions; I think we are getting a bit off topic, when we start talking about hidden parts of the body, which has been done in a few recent posts. If these body parts need to be talked about at all, may I suggest that it be done in the men only or female only rooms?

Make sense?

Thanks for cooperation.

handy:

You are right; in Ezekiel 16, a modest amount of jewelry is figuratively synonymous with God's blessing and imputed righteousness, not intrinsic to the sinner, but put on the person, and then the holy, set apart character reflecting Him is seen on the person.

 

[handy]

Re: Is it supposedly 'liberal' to let your son pierce his ears?

farouk,

The Ezekiel passage really caught me off guard when I first read it because, while I've always been OK with pierced earrings for women, the idea of a nose ring was totally distasteful to me... something that I would never believe God would approve of.

But, like most people, I tend to believe God shares all my prejudices. ;)

Kidron, the Leviticus passage ties the practice of cutting and tattooing in with pagan practices.

<sup class="versenum">26 </sup>‘You shall not eat anything with the blood, nor practice divination or soothsaying. <sup class="versenum">27 </sup> You shall not round off the side-growth of your heads nor harm the edges of your beard. <sup class="versenum">28 </sup>You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the Lord.
<sup class="versenum">29 </sup>‘ Do not profane your daughter by making her a harlot, so that the land will not fall to harlotry and the land become full of lewdness. <sup class="versenum">30 </sup>You shall keep My sabbaths and revere My sanctuary; I am the Lord.
<sup class="versenum">31 </sup>‘Do not turn to mediums or spiritists; do not seek them out to be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God. Leviticus 19


I know most tattooing started out with religious significance, but that is completely separate from why most here in the West get tatts today.

I think piercings and tattoos are neither conservative nor liberal... good ole boys have been getting tatts for years and many sailors are conservative.

However, it does seem to be pattern that the "tolerance" of piercings and tatts come more from the liberal side of religion rather than the conservative.

That might just be perception though. At our church, there are several with tatts, including several middle aged women (no, I'm not one of them) and one of the elders sports a pony tail and earrings. And believe me, it's a very conservative church and the pony-tail/earring guy is a very conservative guy.

To me, the most important factor in all of this is what is one's ministry? If one is basically ministering to people who would find piercings or tatts to be associated with rebellion and sin... not a good idea to cover oneself with them. However, if one is ministering out on the streets, or to younger people, then most likely piercings and tatts will be a non-issue.

While I find there is freedom in this issue, anything, anything at all that would hinder our ministry or ability to effectively share the gospel needs to be jettisoned. In some places, piercings and tatts would... but not in other places. Everyone just needs to be wise in the matter.

 

[Kidron]

Re: Is it supposedly 'liberal' to let your son pierce his ears?

Kidron, the Leviticus passage ties the practice of cutting and tattooing in with pagan practices.


Yes, you are correct.
God is identifying the pagan by their choice of tats and ......
Think of it as a "christian pagan" decoration

so, as i said earlier, If Jesus would wear a tat and a tongue piercing, then by all means let all the deacons have titanium nipple rings and all the deacon's wives have a big red eagle tat on their bottoms.
This way we can all compare whose is the best during Sunday school.
Lets make Jesus proud.
That outta do it.:yes



K

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