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Again consider what the word of God says...He makes the rich and the poor.
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Popular teachers you are wary of
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iLOVE
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Consider only the whole word of God. And if there are gray areas Jesus will fill those in.
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Not necessarily.iLOVE said:
Mat 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Mat 7:16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Mat 7:17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit.
Mat 7:18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits. (ESV)
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. (ESV)
Mar 13:21 And then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it.
Mar 13:22 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform signs and wonders, to lead astray, if possible, the elect.
Mar 13:23 But be on guard; I have told you all things beforehand. (ESV)
2Co 11:12 And what I do I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of those who would like to claim that in their boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do.
2Co 11:13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds. (ESV)
2Pe 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pe 2:2 And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed.
2Pe 2:3 And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. (ESV)
1Jn 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. (ESV)
Clearly there have been and will be false teachers and false prophets. We are to know them by their fruit and by what they teach. That is what I see happening in this thread.
Merely quoting Scripture doesn't mean you've said anything. What are you trying to say?
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That doesn't really answer my questions; you've only repeated yourself.
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ok how is that revelant? one can be blessed with wealth but also be judged for what you did with the wealth. see the parables of the rich man and lazarus, the rich man who followed the law and was told give all away and follow the lord.
I personally know a man who never drives an old chevy pick up. new chevy 1500 are over 30k in this year. he is a pastor of big church but not the biggest, the biggest protestant church pastor doesn't drive anything like that. he is humble. both man are saved but the former pastor sends a bad message. he doesn't work but for the church. if he had a business there wouldn't be much said.
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The Loveless Church Revelation 2:1-7 NKJV
2 “To the angel of the church of Ephesus write,
‘These things says He who holds the seven stars in His right hand, who walks in the midst of the seven golden lampstands: 2 “I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars; 3 and you have persevered and have patience, and have labored for My name’s sake and have not become weary. 4 Nevertheless I have this against you, that you have left your first love. 5 Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent. 6 But this you have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
7 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God.”’
The Message to the Church in Philadelphia Revelation 3:7-13 NLT
7 “Write this letter to the angel of the church in Philadelphia.
This is the message from the one who is holy and true,
the one who has the key of David.
What he opens, no one can close;
and what he closes, no one can open:[c]
8 “I know all the things you do, and I have opened a door for you that no one can close. You have little strength, yet you obeyed my word and did not deny me. 9 Look, I will force those who belong to Satan’s synagogue—those liars who say they are Jews but are not—to come and bow down at your feet. They will acknowledge that you are the ones I love.
10 “Because you have obeyed my command to persevere, I will protect you from the great time of testing that will come upon the whole world to test those who belong to this world. 11 I am coming soon.[d] Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take away your crown. 12 All who are victorious will become pillars in the Temple of my God, and they will never have to leave it. And I will write on them the name of my God, and they will be citizens in the city of my God—the new Jerusalem that comes down from heaven from my God. And I will also write on them my new name.
13 “Anyone with ears to hear must listen to the Spirit and understand what he is saying to the churches.
2 “To the angel of the church of Ephesus write,
‘These things says He who holds the seven stars in His right hand, who walks in the midst of the seven golden lampstands: 2 “I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars; 3 and you have persevered and have patience, and have labored for My name’s sake and have not become weary. 4 Nevertheless I have this against you, that you have left your first love. 5 Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent. 6 But this you have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
7 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God.”’
The Message to the Church in Philadelphia Revelation 3:7-13 NLT
7 “Write this letter to the angel of the church in Philadelphia.
This is the message from the one who is holy and true,
the one who has the key of David.
What he opens, no one can close;
and what he closes, no one can open:[c]
8 “I know all the things you do, and I have opened a door for you that no one can close. You have little strength, yet you obeyed my word and did not deny me. 9 Look, I will force those who belong to Satan’s synagogue—those liars who say they are Jews but are not—to come and bow down at your feet. They will acknowledge that you are the ones I love.
10 “Because you have obeyed my command to persevere, I will protect you from the great time of testing that will come upon the whole world to test those who belong to this world. 11 I am coming soon.[d] Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take away your crown. 12 All who are victorious will become pillars in the Temple of my God, and they will never have to leave it. And I will write on them the name of my God, and they will be citizens in the city of my God—the new Jerusalem that comes down from heaven from my God. And I will also write on them my new name.
13 “Anyone with ears to hear must listen to the Spirit and understand what he is saying to the churches.
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Remember the scripture says God is not judging, nor does Jesus judge. So who is Judging? The answer is the "Word of God"! So how does the word of God judge? It judges because it is ALIVE! So you either get the front end of the blessings or the back end of the curses!
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Again, you have said nothing. What do think these verses are saying in relevance to this topic?
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I find most of this ridiculous.... but the poor guy DID put a lot of effort into these 22 hours, so I thought I would post the links here for anyone looking for some entertainment.
Steven Anderson Revelation
Chapter 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7T6dTs5YKw
2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhS2-iSsbrQ
3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AS7MsZ1mls
4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlLFYPavwSI
5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P-y3_duluc
6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTh5wnIkYDw
7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTh5wnIkYDw
8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T4qmUHqSMk
9 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_jXFLoyKuk
10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxdJt42R_ZA
11 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goXCg19O8RA
12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As2XxK3US1Y
13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_F7GW-aigo
14 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGc-0eSqPN4
15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXZMoJ9h2Is
16 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97rJmVOlN7A
17 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u592U8gRzg
18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6Lyy9Pbyu0
19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gSBb-DTlEw
20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7y91mZlY08
21 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmQiBEgmaHE
22 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDQX7WVkp7k
Or, you can go this way, and see them all in order. (But, be sure to open up YouTube, to do this.)
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I have said a lot. God only allows me to talk to you this way because of your motives. He will not allow you to understand certain things until you totally remove the sin of offense towards iLove.
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It has absolutely nothing to do with God allowing me to understand certain things and everything to do with you misusing Scripture and thinking of yourself so highly that you don't need to explain anything you say.
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again. so I should take from the poor man that tithes what little he has and use it for a truck that I really don't need? its a personal choice but again what does romans 14 say?personal im not offended by his truck , but it does send a message. I have had to defend that decision to sinners, my wife and others. I finally wont bother.
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Jesus said, "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4 NKJV
"Anyone who isn't with me opposes me, and anyone who isn't working with me is actually working against me. Matthew 12:30 NLT
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What part do you find ridiculous, the 22 hour video or the Joel Osteen(who declines to say that God is the only way)??
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The scripture says it like this, "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled. Matthew 5:6 NIV
12 Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. Matthew 13:12 NIV
As you see God is after a Christian who will humble themselves and seek His face. Most Christian do not study the word of God, and many go to church for two hours and forget about God the rest of the week. Then you have the Christian that take sound bits of the scripture to fit their personal agenda. Please notice what He stated here: Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. This is why I stated before, you have fans of Jesus Christ and then you have followers (Disciples) of Jesus Christ.
23 Because of the miraculous signs Jesus did in Jerusalem at the Passover celebration, many began to trust in him. 24 But Jesus didn’t trust them, because he knew all about people. 25 No one needed to tell him about human nature, for he knew what was in each person’s heart. John 2:23-25NLT
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Both. Taking Joel first... did you actually watch what happened? I did. That was a shameful exhibition. I know you haven't watched that clip, so when you have, then you will know why I am a bit disgusted at the way he was set up. It would be like me asking you, on national TV, if you had quit beating your wife.
And if you will only listen carefully to less than one minute of the first of those 22 (I did listen to a lot more), you will see the contradictions he is already boxing himself in with. Just keep in mind, very much in mind, "to whom" and "when", as you listen.
Now, he doesn't do anything most people who read Revelation with preconceived assumptions (from their training) also do. And that is just how he will ALWAYS see it, if he is unwilling to read it as if he had not already been told what it is "supposed" to mean. I honestly don't expect even 2% of readers to do anything different... it's really a difficult thing to ask.
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that is irrevelant. a liar can claim Christ and fool many and not be saved. im not in anway downing that pastor. just showing that it can be a stumbling stone
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The word of God can never be irrelevant! However many believe as you. In other words, they're becoming their own god, creating their own religious universe. They have legalize evil and encourage evil by making the word of God irrelevant. Disconnected from the cross of Christ is disconnection from Gods power.
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you method of quoting verses of context isn't revelant to the case.
you assume that you know the men im talking about locally. I think since I have been to their churches, I might know them a bit better. the aog church is old and has been led by the same person since the 70's.
love it