Putin’s Speech

[stovebolts]

The people in Donbass called on Putin.

And that's my point. Donbass is Ukrainian, not Russian. It wasn't until 2014 that there was even an issue. Ukraine is a sovereign country. I mean, here in Michigan we have Dearborn which is predominantly Islamic. Many times, I've seen women in full burkas in Costco near there, and even at the mall. There was a time around 2006-2008 where there was a small minority who openly called for Sharia law to be imposed within Dearborn which got tremendous pushback, and even got violent. Imaging that group calling Iran to come "save them" because they were being persecuted by Christians for their belief at that time.

The below picture is from a "christian" protest in Dearborn from 2016. It's shameful...

Evangelicals win free-speech case tied to Dearborn protest

Christian evangelicals marched around Dearborn with a pig's head on a pole, telling Muslims they would "burn in hell."

www.freep.com

 

[JLB]

And that's my point. Donbass is Ukrainian, not Russian.

That’s my point Donbas is Ukrainian, not Russian.


If the people of that region called on Putin to help, it was because ther own Government was behind the atrocities.




JLB

 

[Barbarian]

The were a few thousand insurrectionists. And there were very few Nazis among them. Yes a large group of white supremacists, but tiny in comparison to the total number of Trump supporters. Not everyone who voted for Trump is any of those things. Nor has the media or the WH said so. Those guys lie to you, to get you to join them.

. That's pretty scary coming from a government and media that were complicit in shutting down and burning down our nation and defunding the people who are paid to prevent that from happening.

Trump didn't actually defund our troops; he just wouldn't authorize them to defend the Capitol until the insurrectionists had broken in and began destroying the place.. And there were relatively few cases in other cities where buildings were burned or vandalized. In most cities, the perps turned out to be white supremacists. In some cities, the police actually praised BLM for helping stop them and reporting them. As you probably know, Biden opposes defunding police, and right-wing domestic terrorists were caught murdering police. Would you like to see those things?

 

[Barbarian]

And that's my point. Donbass is Ukrainian, not Russian.

It is Ukrainian. But there are many ethnic Russians living there. It is analogous to the Sudentenland in what was Czechoslovakia before WWII. Hitler justified his first invasion as a means of protecting the ethnic Germans there. Having seized that without other nations stopping him, he then annexed the entire nation. It was the point at which WWII become inevitable. If he had been stopped at that point, the General Staff of the German army was prepared to remove him from office.

So Putin is taking a cue from the playbook of another dictator. And it's good that he's getting his nose bloodied. It could prevent a general war in Europe.

Crimea is a bit different. Crimea is not historically or ethnically Ukrainian. It was the home of the Crimean Tatars, who somehow ran afoul of Stalin. Stalin deported them into Russia, and settled mostly Russians there, after which he attached it to Ukraine. Hence the reason Ukraine had it after the Soviet Empire collapsed.

 

[Barbarian]

Edit: Khrushchev attached Crimea to Ukraine, not Stalin.

 

[jasonc]

Edit: Khrushchev attached Crimea to Ukraine, not Stalin.

I'm going to have to dig into that as my family is from Odessa and my surname is Yiddish for crimea.this was before the events of 1917

 

[Barbarian]

I'm going to have to dig into that as my family is from Odessa and my surname is Yiddish for crimea.this was before the events of 1917

Interesting. Odessa isn't in Crimea, but it's close. Let me know what you find out.

 

[Barbarian]

I've done a bit of research myself, and it seems that Crimea had many different ethnic groups within the general designation of "Crimean Tatar."

Crimea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There have been Jewish communities in Crimea for at least 2,000 years, and they were part of the Khazar nation, which was officially Jewish.

During the 14th Century there were at least three different (Ashkenazi, Persian, and Romaniot) Jewish communities in the Crimea as well as a Karaite community. At the end of the 15th or the beginning of the 16th century, Makhzor Minhag Kaffa (Prayer Book of the Kafa Custom) was created by Rabbi Moshe ben Yaakov (Moshe HaGolah), incorporating the different traditions of the disparate Crimean Jewish communities, thereby consolidated all Jews of the peninsula. In more recent centuries, Crimean Jews have followed Sephardi religious tradition.


Until recent years, the spoken language of Krymchaks has been, and continues to be, their special dialect of the Crimean Tatar language, while Hebrew is used for religious and community purposes. During the 20th Century, as a result of Russian and Nazi persecution (70% of Krymchaks (5,600) perished in the Shoah), the Krymchak is known only among elderly, and the Russian language prevails.

The Jews of the Crimea and their Names

The ancient history of Jewish settlement in the Crimea (in Russian, “Krym”) dates back over 2,000 years to the time of the Bosporan Kingdom, a Roman client state (438 BC-370 AD). From the eighth to…

avotaynuonline.com

Like everything else, it seems simple until one learns more about it.

 

[jasonc]

I've done a bit of research myself, and it seems that Crimea had many different ethnic groups within the general designation of "Crimean Tatar."

Crimea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There have been Jewish communities in Crimea for at least 2,000 years, and they were part of the Khazar nation, which was officially Jewish.

During the 14th Century there were at least three different (Ashkenazi, Persian, and Romaniot) Jewish communities in the Crimea as well as a Karaite community. At the end of the 15th or the beginning of the 16th century, Makhzor Minhag Kaffa (Prayer Book of the Kafa Custom) was created by Rabbi Moshe ben Yaakov (Moshe HaGolah), incorporating the different traditions of the disparate Crimean Jewish communities, thereby consolidated all Jews of the peninsula. In more recent centuries, Crimean Jews have followed Sephardi religious tradition.


Until recent years, the spoken language of Krymchaks has been, and continues to be, their special dialect of the Crimean Tatar language, while Hebrew is used for religious and community purposes. During the 20th Century, as a result of Russian and Nazi persecution (70% of Krymchaks (5,600) perished in the Shoah), the Krymchak is known only among elderly, and the Russian language prevails.

The Jews of the Crimea and their Names

The ancient history of Jewish settlement in the Crimea (in Russian, “Krym”) dates back over 2,000 years to the time of the Bosporan Kingdom, a Roman client state (438 BC-370 AD). From the eighth to…

avotaynuonline.com

Like everything else, it seems simple until one learns more about it.

Jacob lazar cranman was born in Siberia and his dad moved to Odessa when Jacob was an infant

 

[Barbarian]

Jacob lazar cranman was born in Siberia and his dad moved to Odessa when Jacob was an infant

I know I would have moved. Odessa is a much nicer climate than Siberia.

 

[jasonc]

I know I would have moved. Odessa is a much nicer climate than Siberia.

Just a tad warmer

 

[T. E. Smith]

Well, for starters "denazify Ukraine". His whole declaration is based off unfounded propaganda.

Hey stovebolts you won't know this because nobody likes to talk about it, but the coup that placed a pro-USA government in Ukraine was facilitated by neo-Nazis, who continue to have a role.

What You Should Really Know About Ukraine

Media echoed the view that the US should have an active role in Ukrainian politics and enforce its perspective through military threats.

fair.org

This piece was written before the war itself actually happened. Extremely helpful read. Highly recommended.

 

[Runner]

Hey stovebolts you won't know this because nobody likes to talk about it, but the coup that placed a pro-USA government in Ukraine was facilitated by neo-Nazis, who continue to have a role.

What You Should Really Know About Ukraine

Media echoed the view that the US should have an active role in Ukrainian politics and enforce its perspective through military threats.

fair.org

This piece was written before the war itself actually happened. Extremely helpful read. Highly recommended.

It was written by one Bryce Greene, a 24-year-old Black writer living in Indiana who appears to have authored a series of what I would characterize as not-exactly-balanced articles, to wit: https://fair.org/author/bryce-greene/. Bryce got a Bachelor's degree in something called "Informatics" from Indiana University in 2019 and is apparently still a student there. (I see that Informatics is defined as the "science of processing data for storage and retrieval," which might strike some of us as an odd background for someone purporting to analyze Russia's invasion of Ukraine.) He was the President of the Palestinian Solidarity Committee at Indiana University, https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com...cle_1b5dcc1e-204a-56c3-b652-9a9c1fb70d7b.html. If he has an actual job, I could find no evidence of it.

Bryce may be a whiz kid, but you'll have to forgive me if I don't attach great weight to his analysis of the invasion of Ukraine. This is especially true since my wife has innumerable relatives, friends and contacts across the border in Belarus (as well as in Ukraine itself). TO A PERSON, they deeply believe Russia's actions are COMPLETELY UNJUSTIFIED AND DEPLORABLE and Putin is pretty much the DEVIL INCARNATE. Bear in mind, these are folks who have utterly no connection to the U.S. and no love for NATO. My wife, a citizen of the USSR for 37 years and of the independent Republic of Belarus for 16 more, hates Russia and Putin so deeply I sometimes have to pull the plug on her PC before she melts down.

So who am I gonna believe, young Bryce in Indiana or my lying eyes?

I know nothing about FAIR, but NPR said "FAIR has a left-of-center orientation and generally goes after news organizations for being too cozy with big business or Republicans." Wikipedia says "Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting (FAIR) is a progressive left-leaning media critique organization." The author of Modernizing Democracy: Innovations in Citizen Participation cites FAIR as an example of a group that "can give the appearance of objectivity and yet be totally partisan, biased, or ideological."

So now the question is, Bryce + FAIR or my lying eyes? I don't say Bryce's analysis is completely flawed. To say that, I would have to spend a lot more time on it than I am willing to do, knowing what I now know.

Interestingly, we have one family member living in France - my wife's sister - who spent her youth in Russia and is entirely pro-Putin. In her futile efforts to influence my wife, she sends us numerous links to articles on fringe sites that purport to analyze why Putin's invasion of Ukraine is justified and the U.S. and NATO are pretty much the Great Satan. As with Bryce's article, they are all on fringe sites, ranging from "simply fringe" to "lunatic fringe." There is NEVER, EVER a piece from a reputable journalist working for a reputable source, which I find rather telling.

 

[Barbarian]

FAIR signed on to Putin's team a while back...

Vladimir Putin Archives - FAIR

fair.org

 

[Barbarian]

It seems a bit odd, given Putin's rightward drift toward a fascist/nationalist ideology. Apparently FAIR has a definite left bias, but scores well for factual reporting:

Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR)

LEFT-CENTER BIAS These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording

mediabiasfactcheck.com

 

[Barbarian]

The Russians are hunting down the Nazi war criminals.

Ironically, Hitler did the same thing over the Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia in the 1930s. The first step in dismembering and annexing Czechoslovakia. And the democracies stood by and did nothing. That led to WWII.

This time we're not standing back and watching. We're helping the Ukrainians defend themselves against a brutal dictator. And in doing so, we might have prevented a general war. At least it's doing something.

Appeasement of dictators never works. The more this war drags on and cripples the Russian economy and savages its military forces, the less inclined Putin will be to start another adventure.

And that's a good thing.

I notice another Putin associate "fell" from a window this week. It's starting to come undone.

 

[Barbarian]

And more bad news for Putin; another Russian general staff member dies in Ukraine, and Ukraine has trapped thousands of Russian soldiers in an encirclement.

An encirclement of Russian forces near Lyman, an occupied town in Ukraine's northeast, is "at the final stage," a military spokesperson said, as Ukrainian troops moved to surround the region from all fronts.

Serhii Cherevatyi, a spokesperson for eastern Ukrainian forces, made the remarks Friday, as a senior Russian-backed official acknowledged that Russian troops are "half encircled" in the strategic city in Ukraine's eastern Donetsk region.

"All the approaches and logistic routes of the enemy, through which they delivered ammunition and manpower, are in fact under fire control [of Ukraine]," said Cherevatyi.

Denis Pushilin, the Russian-installed governor in the Donetsk region, said Lyman is "partially surrounded."

Russia on verge of Lyman collapse as Ukraine surrounds unit from all sides

Russian troops are "half encircled" in the strategic city in Ukraine's eastern Donetsk region, a Kremlin-installed official acknowledged.

www.newsweek.com

 

[God Is My Judge]

Some food for thought.

 

[Barbarian]

Ukraine continues to advance as Russian troops retreat. And now, the bridge connecting Russia to Crimea just got taken out along with a train with much-needed fuel. It's been another rough week for Putin.

 

[God Is My Judge]

I don't buy the media narrative about any of this. My reasoning is, I remember all the prior reports concerning Russia and its weaponry. Also, prior to Covid, Russia was doing drills and preparing its people for nuclear war. It was reported that they have underground facilities which could at least hold 30 million people. Russia has some of the best weapons one could ever develope. I think things will really get explosive as China becomes aware it's been played by the Banking cabal and it is not going to get what it invested in. In my opinion ( knowing about nanotechnology) I think no better way to depopulate than with a false flag war. Russia pioneered infrared weaponry and other nanoscale tech that simply needs a frequency or magnetic pulse to destroy its enemies. A medical application can allow for that technology to put into your body. Does anyone know what that could be. I like to call it the Travis Scott affect. Lol! My point is governments can use a false flag EMP or a frequency that can kill on a mass scale -people. That would be a clean kill - no infrastructure damage. People would believe the narrative. However, they need a new SPARK a new war scenario -Ukrain. Just like they needed to created a new SPARK for the Covid-19 narrative- a virus.

It is prophesied in the book of Daniel that the king of the north ( Russia's Putin) will go through like a flood. You flood the atmosphere with this infrared or frequency tech, you best believe that can be considered a flood . Makes sense to me. Putin is actually in cahoots with the Banksters. He will occupy Israel not as its conqueror but rather as a deterrent to China once China takes action. Not all occupation is an invasion. The reason for the migrant crisis is to interchange the majority of Americans who will be wiped out. The reason for that is, most Americans will not comply with its conquerors. Freedom is too precious to them. The new labor force is being shipped in. They see America as the benevolent Lady Liberty. Most have come from worse situations and will welcome work, whatever America has for them -willing. After all, they already do the jobs that most Amercans would not do. People should be very, very concerned.