Qualifications For Rapture?

[XTruth]

Rapture

The word rapture simply means to transport from one place to another. The Scriptural expressions equated with rapture are "caught up" (1 Thess. 4:17; 2 Cor. 12:4); "receive you unto myself" (John. 14:3); and "come up hither" (Rev. 4:1; Rev 11:12). When we use the term, we mean the "catching up" of Christians to meet the Lord in the air, who then go to the planet heaven with Christ to become settled in their eternal mansions that He has gone to prepare for them who serve Him until death-or until the time of the rapture (1 Thess. 2:19;1 Thess 3:13;1 Thess 4:13-18; Phil. 3:20-21; Col. 3:4; Jas. 5:7-8; Rev. 4:1).

When we refer to the rapture we do not mean the second coming of Christ, or any part, stage, or phase of it. The rapture is a distinct and separate coming of the Lord with at least seven years between the two comings out of heaven.



The Rapture First

Christians are not in ignorance and darkness about the day of the Lord (1 Thes. 5:1-2,4-5,9). The rapture takes place at least seven years before the second coming (2 Thes. 2:7; Rev. 4:1). Therefore, they will not be here for that day to overtake them as a thief like it will the ungodly (1 Thes. 5:2-5).

The Jews had a tradition that God would judge the Gentiles at night when they were careless and asleep in sin, but would judge the Jews in the day when they would be keeping the law. But both Jews and Gentiles who miss the rapture will have the day of the Lord come upon them as a thief. It is only brethren who will be translated and escape this day (1 Thes. 5:4-5,9; Luke 21:36; 2 Thes. 2:7)




Who needs more proof?

 

[TRUTH over TRADITION]

Well, it didn't happen. Otherwise the Lord would have redacted His word.

What evidence suggests that it did not happen? The fact is that Jesus said it would, so it HAD TO happen because he would not have given false info.

 

[taromina2003]

Do you not understand typology?

No you guys are way more versed than I am.

 

[reba]

37As were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 38For just as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, [men] marrying and [women] being given in marriage, until the [very] day when Noah went into the ark,
39And they did not know or understand until the flood came and swept them all away--so will be the coming of the Son of Man.(G)
40At that time two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one will be left.
41Two women will be grinding at the hand mill; one will be taken and one will be left.









Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

 

[XTruth]

What evidence suggests that it did not happen? The fact is that Jesus said it would, so it HAD TO happen because he would not have given false info.

B/c it hasn't happened yet. If it did, then history would speak of this great event that would surely have been a mystery to those that were left behind

 

[Alabaster]

B/c it hasn't happened yet. If it did, then history would speak of this great event that would surely have been a mystery to those that were left behind

Xactly!

 

[XTruth]

THIS WILL HELP THOSE WHO ARE TRYING TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THESE TWO GREAT EVENTS THAT ARE SOON TO COME. BUT THE KEY TO LEARNING THE WORD SO THAT IT WILL CONFORM YOUR MIND TO IT AND ALLOW THE HOLY SPIRIT TO TEACH YOU IS TO NOT JUST READ WHAT SOMEONE WRITES AND OBSERVE THAT THERE ARE REFERENCE VERSES.... YOU MUST LOOK UP AND READ THOSE REFERENCE VERSES.





20 CONTRASTS BETWEEN THE RAPTURE AND THE SECOND ADVENT



1. The rapture is a going up to heaven of all saved men of all past ages (John. 14:1-3; Col. 3:4; Jas. 5:7-8; Rev. 5:8-10; Rev 19:1-10), whereas the second advent is a coming down from heaven to earth of the same people (Rev. 19:11-21; Jude 14-15; 2 Thess. 1:7-10; Mt. 16:27; Mt 24:29-31; Mt 25:31-46; Zech. 14:1-9).

2. The rapture is a coming of Christ from heaven to the clouds (not to the earth) for the saints-both dead (who will be resurrected) and alive-to take them to heaven (1 Thess. 4:16), while the second advent is a coming from heaven with the previously raptured saints to set up a kingdom and rule eternally (Zech. 14:1-9; Jude 14-15; Rev. 11:15; Rev 19:11-21; Rev 22:4-5; 2 Thess. 1:7-10; Mt. 25:31-46; Isa. 9:6-7; Dan. 2:44-45;Dan 7:9-15,18,22,27; Lk. 1:32-36).

3. Our goal in the rapture is heaven to live with Christ in our mansions (John. 14:1-3; 1 Thess. 2:19-20; 1 Thess 3:13; 1 Thess 4:13-18; 1 Thess 5:1-11,23; Rev. 5:8-10; Rev 19:1-10; Col. 3:4; Jas. 5:7-8), while the goal in the second advent is to leave heaven for the earth to reign forever (Zech. 14; Jude 14-15; Rev. 11:15; Rev 19:11 - Rev 20:10).

4. At the rapture Christ does not come to destroy the Antichrist or any other wicked man but to remove the hinderer of lawlessness (the church, Chapter 10, Proof 1), so that the Antichrist can come (2 Thess. 2:7-8), while at the second advent Christ comes back to the earth with all saints of all ages to destroy Antichrist and multitudes of wicked men (2 Thess. 2:7-8; Dan. 7:11; Jude 14-15; Rev. 19:11-21; see also Mt. 24:37-42;Mt 25:31-46; Ezek. 38- Ezek. 39; Zech. 14).

5. At the rapture Christ comes from heaven to the clouds only (not to the earth) to take the good from among the bad (John. 5:28-29; John. 14:1-3; Lk. 21:34-36; 1 Cor. 15:23,51-54; Phil. 3:21; Col. 3:4; 1 Thess. 4:16-18; Jas. 5:7-8), while at the second advent-years later-He comes to the earth with His raptured saints to take the bad from among the good (Mt. 13:30,39-43,49-50;Mt 24:29-31,37-42; Jude 14-15; Ezek. 38- Ezek. 39; Zech. 14; Rev. 19:11-21).

6. At the rapture only those qualified for heaven will be raptured (John. 14:1-3; Lk. 21:34-36; 1 Cor. 15:23; 1 Thess. 4:16; Rev. 20:4-6); only those who are born again will be changed from mortality to immortality and go to heaven. At the second advent, on the other hand, any and all men qualified to live on the earth as citizens will be permitted to continue as natural people into the next age, without any change from mortality to immortality (Mt. 25:31-46; Zech. 8:23;Zech 14:1-21; Isa. 2:2-4;Isa 66:19-21; Dan. 2:44-45;Dan 7:9-14; 1 Cor. 15:24-28; Rev. 2:27-28; Rev 11:15; Rev 20:4-6).

7. At the rapture there will be no battle of Armageddon (John. 14:1-3; Lk. 21:34-36; 1 Cor. 15:23,51-54; 1 Thess. 4:16), while at the second advent Armageddon will be fought (Zech. 14; 2 Thess. 1:7-10; Jude 14-15; Rev. 16:13-16; Rev 19:11-21; Ezek. 38- Ezek. 39).

8. At the rapture there will be no change of home lands on earth among the nations (John. 14:1-3), while at the second advent there will be a general separation of nations back to their original home lands, including Israel (Isa. 11:11-12; Deut 32:8; Ezek. 37; Mt. 24:31; Acts 17:26).

9. At the rapture no man will be sent to hell, but all saints will be taken to heaven (John. 14:1-3; Lk. 21:34-36; 1 Thess. 4:16; Rev. 5:8-10; Rev 19:1-10), while at the second advent millions of men will be sent to hell and none taken to heaven (Mt. 13:30,43-50;Mt 25:31-46; Isa. 14:9-15; Rev. 14:9-11; Rev 19:20; Rev 20:10).

10. At the rapture all saints will "escape all these things that shall come to pass" during the tribulation, and will "stand before the Son of man" (Lk. 21:34-36; John. 14:1-3; 1 Thess. 4:16;1 Thess 5:1-11; Rev. 5:8-10; Rev 19:1-10; see Chapter 10), whereas at the second advent no man who is subject to punishment will escape (Rev. 19:1-21; Mt. 24:29-31;Mt 25:31-46; 2 Thess. 1:7-10).

11. The rapture will take place before the revelation of the Antichrist (2 Thess. 2:7-8) and before the tribulation and fulfillment of Rev. 4:1 - Rev 22:21, while the second advent will take place after these events (Mt. 24:29-31; 2 Thess. 2:7-8; Rev. 5:8-10; Rev 19:11-21). See Chapter 10.

12. At the rapture there will be a resurrection of all the righteous dead (1 Thess. 4:16; 1 Cor. 15:23,51-54; Phil. 3:21), while at the second advent there will be no resurrection of any righteous man, for the first resurrection will then be over (Rev. 20:4-6).

13. At the time of the rapture no man on earth will know who the Antichrist is (2 Thess. 2:7-8), whereas at the second advent all men on earth in the civilized parts will know who he is (Rev. 13:16-18).

14. At the rapture the church and all others who are redeemed saints at that time will be presented to God in heaven (Eph. 5:27; 1 Thess. 3:13;1 Thess 5:23), while at the second advent all raptured saints will be presented to men on earth as their new rulers (Rev. 2:27; Rev 5:10; Rev 20:4-6; Dan. 7:9-27).

15. Before the rapture there will be no marriage supper of the Lamb, whereas just before the second advent there will be such a supper of Christ with all the redeemed of all ages past (Rev. 19:1-21).

16. There will be a seven-year period of tribulation after the rapture (2 Thess. 2:7-8; Dan. 9:27; Rev. 6:1 - Rev 19:21), whereas there will be no tribulation at all after the second advent, for the second coming of Christ ends all tribulation (Mt. 24:29-31;Mt 25:31-46; Rev. 19-20).

17. There will be no end of the world (age) at the time of the rapture, while the age will definitely end at the time of the second advent of Christ to the earth (Mt. 24:1-3,29-31;Mt 25:31-46; 2 Thess. 2:7-8; Rev. 19:1 - Rev 20:10).

18. The rapture is an event that can take place any day without any prophecy being fulfilled or any sign coming to pass (1 Cor. 1:7; Phil. 3:21; Tit. 2:13; 1 Thess. 1:10), while the second advent cannot take place until all of the predictions in Mt. 24 - Mt. 25; Mk 13; Lk. 21:1-11,25-33; 2 Thess. 2:7-8; and Rev. 4:1 - Rev 19:10 have been fulfilled.

19. There will be no reign of the Antichrist before the rapture, but there will be such a reign before the second advent (Dan. 9:27; 2 Thess. 2:7-8; Rev. 6:1 - Rev 19:21).

20. There will be no martyrdoms of saints after the second advent, while there will be multitudes of martyrs after the rapture and between the time of the rapture and the second advent (Rev. 6:9-11; Rev 7:9-17; Rev 13:7; Rev 14:9-13; Rev 15:1-4; Rev 17:6; Rev 18:24; Rev 20:4-6).

 

[TRUTH over TRADITION]

Rapture

The word rapture simply means to transport from one place to another. The Scriptural expressions equated with rapture are "caught up" (1 Thess. 4:17; 2 Cor. 12:4); "receive you unto myself" (John. 14:3); and "come up hither" (Rev. 4:1; Rev 11:12). When we use the term, we mean the "catching up" of Christians to meet the Lord in the air, who then go to the planet heaven with Christ to become settled in their eternal mansions that He has gone to prepare for them who serve Him until death-or until the time of the rapture (1 Thess. 2:19;1 Thess 3:13;1 Thess 4:13-18; Phil. 3:20-21; Col. 3:4; Jas. 5:7-8; Rev. 4:1).

When we refer to the rapture we do not mean the second coming of Christ, or any part, stage, or phase of it. The rapture is a distinct and separate coming of the Lord with at least seven years between the two comings out of heaven.



The Rapture First

Christians are not in ignorance and darkness about the day of the Lord (1 Thes. 5:1-2,4-5,9). The rapture takes place at least seven years before the second coming (2 Thes. 2:7; Rev. 4:1). Therefore, they will not be here for that day to overtake them as a thief like it will the ungodly (1 Thes. 5:2-5).

The Jews had a tradition that God would judge the Gentiles at night when they were careless and asleep in sin, but would judge the Jews in the day when they would be keeping the law. But both Jews and Gentiles who miss the rapture will have the day of the Lord come upon them as a thief. It is only brethren who will be translated and escape this day (1 Thes. 5:4-5,9; Luke 21:36; 2 Thes. 2:7)




Who needs more proof?

Way to slide that 7-year theology on in there. There is no reason that one should place a 7 year tribulation and the rapture together be it pre, post, or mid. In scripture NO 7 year time frame is associated with the parousia. In order to hold up that flimsy theology, proponents have misapplied Daniel 9 and instead of being honest to scripture and properly viewing the 70 week prophecy as consecutive, they have instead place a huge 2+ millennium lasting gap between weeks 69 and week 70. By doing this, they make the prophecy meaningless because if there is a gap between 69 and 70, who's to say there cannot be gap between week 30 and 31, or any of the other weeks?

 

[Alabaster]

I am not trying to be a smarty pants but do you have a mission you are to fiil till the end?

Yes!

or do some people who believe in the rapture sit around and wait for the good LORD to whisk them away at the very smell of trouble? I don't get it. Do they believe they are so darn good that they deserve to not have to endure any pain or suffering? Please help me to understand

That is an outrageous view of fellow believers who number in the multi-millions since the Church began, and doesn't deserve a response.

 

[XTruth]

Way to slide that 7-year theology on in there. There is no reason that one should place a 7 year tribulation and the rapture together be it pre, post, or mid. In scripture NO 7 year time frame is associated with the parousia. In order to hold up that flimsy theology, proponents have misapplied Daniel 9 and instead of being honest to scripture and properly viewing the 70 week prophecy as consecutive, they have instead place a huge 2+ millennium lasting gap between weeks 69 and week 70. By doing this, they make the prophecy meaningless because if there is a gap between 69 and 70, who's to say there cannot be gap between week 30 and 31, or any of the other weeks?

I'm not trying to "slide anything by anyone." I'll state what the Word says. The 7 year "theology" doctrine deserves its own thread, so start one. A great response to you is from my post immediately before the one from you in quotes.

 

[Sam21]

THIS WILL HELP THOSE WHO ARE TRYING TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THESE TWO GREAT EVENTS THAT ARE SOON TO COME. BUT THE KEY TO LEARNING THE WORD SO THAT IT WILL CONFORM YOUR MIND TO IT AND ALLOW THE HOLY SPIRIT TO TEACH YOU IS TO NOT JUST READ WHAT SOMEONE WRITES AND OBSERVE THAT THERE ARE REFERENCE VERSES.... YOU MUST LOOK UP AND READ THOSE REFERENCE VERSES.





20 CONTRASTS BETWEEN THE RAPTURE AND THE SECOND ADVENT



1. The rapture is a going up to heaven of all saved men of all past ages (John. 14:1-3; Col. 3:4; Jas. 5:7-8; Rev. 5:8-10; Rev 19:1-10), whereas the second advent is a coming down from heaven to earth of the same people (Rev. 19:11-21; Jude 14-15; 2 Thess. 1:7-10; Mt. 16:27; Mt 24:29-31; Mt 25:31-46; Zech. 14:1-9).

2. The rapture is a coming of Christ from heaven to the clouds (not to the earth) for the saints-both dead (who will be resurrected) and alive-to take them to heaven (1 Thess. 4:16), while the second advent is a coming from heaven with the previously raptured saints to set up a kingdom and rule eternally (Zech. 14:1-9; Jude 14-15; Rev. 11:15; Rev 19:11-21; Rev 22:4-5; 2 Thess. 1:7-10; Mt. 25:31-46; Isa. 9:6-7; Dan. 2:44-45;Dan 7:9-15,18,22,27; Lk. 1:32-36).

3. Our goal in the rapture is heaven to live with Christ in our mansions (John. 14:1-3; 1 Thess. 2:19-20; 1 Thess 3:13; 1 Thess 4:13-18; 1 Thess 5:1-11,23; Rev. 5:8-10; Rev 19:1-10; Col. 3:4; Jas. 5:7-8), while the goal in the second advent is to leave heaven for the earth to reign forever (Zech. 14; Jude 14-15; Rev. 11:15; Rev 19:11 - Rev 20:10).

4. At the rapture Christ does not come to destroy the Antichrist or any other wicked man but to remove the hinderer of lawlessness (the church, Chapter 10, Proof 1), so that the Antichrist can come (2 Thess. 2:7-8), while at the second advent Christ comes back to the earth with all saints of all ages to destroy Antichrist and multitudes of wicked men (2 Thess. 2:7-8; Dan. 7:11; Jude 14-15; Rev. 19:11-21; see also Mt. 24:37-42;Mt 25:31-46; Ezek. 38- Ezek. 39; Zech. 14).

5. At the rapture Christ comes from heaven to the clouds only (not to the earth) to take the good from among the bad (John. 5:28-29; John. 14:1-3; Lk. 21:34-36; 1 Cor. 15:23,51-54; Phil. 3:21; Col. 3:4; 1 Thess. 4:16-18; Jas. 5:7-8), while at the second advent-years later-He comes to the earth with His raptured saints to take the bad from among the good (Mt. 13:30,39-43,49-50;Mt 24:29-31,37-42; Jude 14-15; Ezek. 38- Ezek. 39; Zech. 14; Rev. 19:11-21).

6. At the rapture only those qualified for heaven will be raptured (John. 14:1-3; Lk. 21:34-36; 1 Cor. 15:23; 1 Thess. 4:16; Rev. 20:4-6); only those who are born again will be changed from mortality to immortality and go to heaven. At the second advent, on the other hand, any and all men qualified to live on the earth as citizens will be permitted to continue as natural people into the next age, without any change from mortality to immortality (Mt. 25:31-46; Zech. 8:23;Zech 14:1-21; Isa. 2:2-4;Isa 66:19-21; Dan. 2:44-45;Dan 7:9-14; 1 Cor. 15:24-28; Rev. 2:27-28; Rev 11:15; Rev 20:4-6).

7. At the rapture there will be no battle of Armageddon (John. 14:1-3; Lk. 21:34-36; 1 Cor. 15:23,51-54; 1 Thess. 4:16), while at the second advent Armageddon will be fought (Zech. 14; 2 Thess. 1:7-10; Jude 14-15; Rev. 16:13-16; Rev 19:11-21; Ezek. 38- Ezek. 39).

8. At the rapture there will be no change of home lands on earth among the nations (John. 14:1-3), while at the second advent there will be a general separation of nations back to their original home lands, including Israel (Isa. 11:11-12; Deut 32:8; Ezek. 37; Mt. 24:31; Acts 17:26).

9. At the rapture no man will be sent to hell, but all saints will be taken to heaven (John. 14:1-3; Lk. 21:34-36; 1 Thess. 4:16; Rev. 5:8-10; Rev 19:1-10), while at the second advent millions of men will be sent to hell and none taken to heaven (Mt. 13:30,43-50;Mt 25:31-46; Isa. 14:9-15; Rev. 14:9-11; Rev 19:20; Rev 20:10).

10. At the rapture all saints will "escape all these things that shall come to pass" during the tribulation, and will "stand before the Son of man" (Lk. 21:34-36; John. 14:1-3; 1 Thess. 4:16;1 Thess 5:1-11; Rev. 5:8-10; Rev 19:1-10; see Chapter 10), whereas at the second advent no man who is subject to punishment will escape (Rev. 19:1-21; Mt. 24:29-31;Mt 25:31-46; 2 Thess. 1:7-10).

11. The rapture will take place before the revelation of the Antichrist (2 Thess. 2:7-8) and before the tribulation and fulfillment of Rev. 4:1 - Rev 22:21, while the second advent will take place after these events (Mt. 24:29-31; 2 Thess. 2:7-8; Rev. 5:8-10; Rev 19:11-21). See Chapter 10.

12. At the rapture there will be a resurrection of all the righteous dead (1 Thess. 4:16; 1 Cor. 15:23,51-54; Phil. 3:21), while at the second advent there will be no resurrection of any righteous man, for the first resurrection will then be over (Rev. 20:4-6).

13. At the time of the rapture no man on earth will know who the Antichrist is (2 Thess. 2:7-8), whereas at the second advent all men on earth in the civilized parts will know who he is (Rev. 13:16-18).

14. At the rapture the church and all others who are redeemed saints at that time will be presented to God in heaven (Eph. 5:27; 1 Thess. 3:13;1 Thess 5:23), while at the second advent all raptured saints will be presented to men on earth as their new rulers (Rev. 2:27; Rev 5:10; Rev 20:4-6; Dan. 7:9-27).

15. Before the rapture there will be no marriage supper of the Lamb, whereas just before the second advent there will be such a supper of Christ with all the redeemed of all ages past (Rev. 19:1-21).

16. There will be a seven-year period of tribulation after the rapture (2 Thess. 2:7-8; Dan. 9:27; Rev. 6:1 - Rev 19:21), whereas there will be no tribulation at all after the second advent, for the second coming of Christ ends all tribulation (Mt. 24:29-31;Mt 25:31-46; Rev. 19-20).

17. There will be no end of the world (age) at the time of the rapture, while the age will definitely end at the time of the second advent of Christ to the earth (Mt. 24:1-3,29-31;Mt 25:31-46; 2 Thess. 2:7-8; Rev. 19:1 - Rev 20:10).

18. The rapture is an event that can take place any day without any prophecy being fulfilled or any sign coming to pass (1 Cor. 1:7; Phil. 3:21; Tit. 2:13; 1 Thess. 1:10), while the second advent cannot take place until all of the predictions in Mt. 24 - Mt. 25; Mk 13; Lk. 21:1-11,25-33; 2 Thess. 2:7-8; and Rev. 4:1 - Rev 19:10 have been fulfilled.

19. There will be no reign of the Antichrist before the rapture, but there will be such a reign before the second advent (Dan. 9:27; 2 Thess. 2:7-8; Rev. 6:1 - Rev 19:21).

20. There will be no martyrdoms of saints after the second advent, while there will be multitudes of martyrs after the rapture and between the time of the rapture and the second advent (Rev. 6:9-11; Rev 7:9-17; Rev 13:7; Rev 14:9-13; Rev 15:1-4; Rev 17:6; Rev 18:24; Rev 20:4-6).

One small problem,"THE BIBLE!" The bible only records the second coming of Christ and the first event in that return is the rapture of the church. People have made up the idea of a rapture and later a second coming, and after making up the idea they then go about manipulating the scriptures to make it appear scriptural.

 

[TRUTH over TRADITION]

B/c it hasn't happened yet. If it did, then history would speak of this great event that would surely have been a mystery to those that were left behind

First off, have you read the writings of Josephus and Tacticus about the signs and actual armies IN THE SKY people saw during the first century. Additionally it is wise to be mindful of who writes history and what their vested interests are. Would say a religious organization that sprung up in the early 2nd century and became preimminent in the 4th century want people to know that Jesus' parousia had already taken place?

 

[Pizzaguy]

First off, have you read the writings of Josephus and Tacticus about the signs and actual armies IN THE SKY people saw during the first century.

No, I haven't. But I'm all ears.

 

[taromina2003]

Yes!



That is an outrageous view of fellow believers who number in the multi-millions since the Church began, and doesn't deserve a response.

I am trying to understand why the belief from your heart, I am a Christian and before I had even studied the Bible I had heard about the rapture from a televangelist and I thought it was the most evil thing I ever heard, they way they went on about how they cannot wait for Christs return and how everyone left behind deserves the wrath of GOD! and I thought who the heck are these people?

I believe it is seriously a dangerous teaching Alabaster unless you can convince me otherwise. What comes from the heart is not hard to explain.,Again I truly am trying to understand what makes these groups of Christians believe this.

 

[reba]

I am not trying to be a smarty pants but do you have a mission you are to fiil till the end? or do some people who believe in the rapture sit around and wait for the good LORD to whisk them away at the very smell of trouble? I don't get it. Do they believe they are so darn good that they deserve to not have to endure any pain or suffering? Please help me to understand

I remember the late 50s and some of what you say is is right on... My parents discussed higher education for my brothers thinking it wasn't needed because of rapture. Higher ed for us girls was well not gonna happen. The talk was dont worry about politics we'll be raptured.... And yes escaping was taught the world had just been through the war to end all wars.. He had to come quickly Israel had become a state ..

your line
Do they believe they are so darn good that they deserve to not have to endure any pain or suffering

No that doesn't /didn't fit... It was not that they were "so darn good" just they read the prophecy to reflect His return.

 

[taromina2003]

37As were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 38For just as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, [men] marrying and [women] being given in marriage, until the [very] day when Noah went into the ark,
39And they did not know or understand until the flood came and swept them all away--so will be the coming of the Son of Man.(G)
40At that time two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one will be left.
41Two women will be grinding at the hand mill; one will be taken and one will be left.









Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

The AntiChrist comes first now re-read that and think go back further to the actual subject, he is warning not to follow false prophets.

 

[Alabaster]

I am trying to understand why the belief from your heart, I am a Christian and before I had even studied the Bible I had heard about the rapture from a televangelist and I thought it was the most evil thing I ever heard, they way they went on about how they cannot wait for Christs return and how everyone left behind deserves the wrath of GOD! and I thought who the heck are these people?

I believe it is seriously a dangerous teaching Alabaster unless you can convince me otherwise. What comes from the heart is not hard to explain.,Again I truly am trying to understand what makes these groups of Christians believe this.

The Lord teaches us that we will be Raptured. Study Daniel's prophecy and correlate it with all others. You don't have to believe it. I do. It isn't dangerous!

It doesn't affect salvation, or one's consecration to the will of God or one's relationship with the living Christ.

Stop being offended by what people believe concerning eschatology. It has no bearing on one's walk with God.

 

[taromina2003]

I remember the late 50s and some of what you say is is right on... My parents discussed higher education for my brothers thinking it wasn't needed because of rapture. Higher ed for us girls was well not gonna happen. The talk was dont worry about politics we'll be raptured.... And yes escaping was taught the world had just been through the war to end all wars.. He had to come quickly Israel had become a state ..

your line
Do they believe they are so darn good that they deserve to not have to endure any pain or suffering

No that doesn't /didn't fit... It was not that they were "so darn good" just they read the prophecy to reflect His return.

I say that because I often hear that because they are Christians they will not be subjected to the Anti-Christ which goes against the many, many teachings in the Bible about the false one.

 

[taromina2003]

The Lord teaches us that we will be Raptured. Study Daniel's prophecy and correlate it with all others. You don't have to believe it. I do. It isn't dangerous!

It doesn't affect salvation, or one's consecration to the will of God or one's relationship with the living Christ.

Stop being offended by what people believe concerning eschatology. It has no bearing on one's walk with God.

I am not offended, I am just trying to understand the belief, and I guess I am baffled that you do not see the danger but thats ok I guess we agree to disagree.

 

[reba]

The AntiChrist comes first now re-read that and think go back further to the actual subject, he is warning not to follow false prophets.

Taromina a discussion of antichrist would most likely derail this thread. we wont go there.

The verses i quoted take about who was taken and who was left....