Question about Hell

[l'Chante]

I know this is most probably them most stupid question ever posted on this forum, but then again… I have been known to be daft so it is most probably expected.

You need a physical body to feel pain, right? You know, the whole nerve system and all. So how will you burn in hell (as a soul) and actually feel pain if you won’t have a body?<O</O

 

[Guap]

You need a physical body to feel pain, right? You know, the whole nerve system and all. So how will you burn in hell (as a soul) and actually feel pain if you won’t have a body?<o></o>

Mental anguish can be pretty painful can't it?
Ask someone who's spouse has just walked out on the for someone else, if pain is only physical.
Ask a young child who's father has walked out on them, if pain is only physical.

 

[Alabaster]

I know this is most probably them most stupid question ever posted on this forum, but then again… I have been known to be daft so it is most probably expected.

You need a physical body to feel pain, right? You know, the whole nerve system and all. So how will you burn in hell (as a soul) and actually feel pain if you won’t have a body?<o></o>

All the wicked will stand in a physical body before God. The wicked dead will be raised to be judged---the raising itself indicates 'body', doesn't it?

No one can stand in the presence of God without glorification, so these people will receive their new bodies just as the redeemed will, but they will not be permitted to remain in the Kingdom, but will be cast out to suffer the 'second death'.

The fires of hell cannot snuff out immortality. It is an unbearable thought that people will suffer torment forever yet never be consumed.

 

[Guap]

All the wicked will stand in a physical body before God. The wicked dead will be raised to be judged---the raising itself indicates 'body', doesn't it?

No one can stand in the presence of God without glorification, so these people will receive their new bodies just as the redeemed will, but they will not be permitted to remain in the Kingdom, but will be cast out to suffer the 'second death'.

The fires of hell cannot snuff out immortality. It is an unbearable thought that people will suffer torment forever yet never be consumed.

Not sure about a physical body (1 Cor 15:42-44) ESV
So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

Sounds to me like a spiritual body.

 

[Alabaster]

Not sure about a physical body (1 Cor 15:42-44) ESV
So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

Sounds to me like a spiritual body.

If there be weeping and gnashing of teeth, those spiritual BODIES have teeth and eyes that tear, and mouths that wail. Spiritual bodies are not all wispy and ethereal. They are solid.

 

[elijah23]

I know this is most probably them most stupid question ever posted on this forum, but then again… I have been known to be daft so it is most probably expected.

You need a physical body to feel pain, right? You know, the whole nerve system and all. So how will you burn in hell (as a soul) and actually feel pain if you won’t have a body?<O</O

I don’t think that is what hell is. Hell is the consequences of the sins we commit, the consequences of selfish behavior. We experience it right here on earth.

 

[Alabaster]

I don’t think that is what hell is. Hell is the consequences of the sins we commit, the consequences of selfish behavior. We experience it right here on earth.

We experience torment here, but that isn't hell.

 

[l'Chante]

Elijah, I really like you, but I don’t think that I agree with you on this one. Do you mean that what we are experiencing on Earth is Hell, like loosing loved ones, fearing for our safety, trauma, being let down by people we love etc?

If Hell refers to the consequences of our sinful behaviour, what about psychopaths whom have no conscience to start off with? Would you mind elaborating a bit? And what is your outlook on the reference to fire and brimstone in the Word?<O
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[Christ_empowered]

I know this may sound like a stupid question, but I've always wondered...does Hell ever end? I mean, once Jesus returns to Earth and all the wrongs are made right and satan is fully vanquished, is that it? Just good in the cosmos, no more evil, no more hell? Or does Hell keep on burning throughout the eons to come?

 

[Alabaster]

I know this may sound like a stupid question, but I've always wondered...does Hell ever end? I mean, once Jesus returns to Earth and all the wrongs are made right and satan is fully vanquished, is that it? Just good in the cosmos, no more evil, no more hell? Or does Hell keep on burning throughout the eons to come?

Revelation 14:11 NLT
The smoke of their torment will rise forever and ever, and they will have no relief day or night, for they have worshiped the beast and his statue and have accepted the mark of his name.â€

 

[Mike]

This is another thing that will differ among believers until our deaths. I believe we can disagree without dividing, ultimately. There are scriptural references that can support various beliefs, and you can really leave yourself hanging out there by sharing yours with others who differ.

I believe hell is eternal. Alabaster had a great verse, Rev 14:11. There's also Mark 9:42-48 where Jesus Spoke of an "unquenchable fire" and "the fire that never goes out". There are the nihilists who believe the soul and body are burned up, destroyed and cease to exist. They don't believe in eternal punishment, but I've never known how they get past Jesus' Own Words.

I don't believe our physical bodies will literally burn up forever. I believe Christ used these words metaphorically to help us understand how awful it will be to be separated from God completely. We think we feel separated sometimes, but I don't believe we can possibly know how horrible and torturous it will be when any hint of His Presence is eliminated.

I believe we will all be raised in spirit and body. Those who don't inherit eternal life will be thrown into the lake of fire. Their bodies will be burned up, and their spirit will dwell forever in an existence void of God. IMO, no physical torture can compare to the utter despair of a soul who knows he will never experience Him ever again. Non-believers might scoff at this now, but they won't after they've stood in His Presence on Judgment Day. Eternal regret, eternal suffering, eternal despair and eternal horror.

 

[Sam21]

Something that is not explained is why humans who die can go instantly to hell and began to suffer while demons are not actually suffering in the sense of being in flames as the humans are. Evil angels and demons are chained in hell but apparently are not in the flames of hell, it even seems that some demons escort humans into the fire. So why do humans get it worse than the demons? The worse human in the world would be a nice guy compared to a demon. I suppose that it is a legal issue in the spirit realm,however from the natural realm it don't seem fair.

 

[reba]

Many different words have been use to describe hell. Leaving us to have questions. Is hell the lake of fire in the center of the earth?
Is hell everlasting separation from God?
Was the term lake of fire used because of the ever burning 'lake of fire' out side the cities of the day.
Could God create a everlasting place of burning torment? Sure He could
Are the unsaved persons a spiritual being as the saved?

Here is a passage about hell and fire is the usage of the words hell and fire literal?

Jas 3:5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
Jas 3:6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

This verse more literal?

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


I don't know i do know i want no part of what ever hell is. My salvation is in the Lord..

 

[Mike]

Something that is not explained is why humans who die can go instantly to hell and began to suffer while demons are not actually suffering in the sense of being in flames as the humans are. Evil angels and demons are chained in hell but apparently are not in the flames of hell, it even seems that some demons escort humans into the fire. So why do humans get it worse than the demons? The worse human in the world would be a nice guy compared to a demon. I suppose that it is a legal issue in the spirit realm,however from the natural realm it don't seem fair.

1 Peter 1
"<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-30369">10</sup> Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-30370">11</sup> trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV1984-30371">12</sup> It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things."

As I understand it, angels cannot know what it is to be Created in His Image, be called sons and daughters of God and experience salvation. In so keeping, they cannot experience the punishment for the sin of rebelling against the Lord to the degree that humanity will. As I said earlier, I believe the physical attributes of hell to be metaphorical, so I don't suspect the there are actual chains binding them. They can't feel lost, something that was never offered or experience the condemnation of those that were offered eternal life with the Lord.

 

[Lehigh3]

I'm in the camp that believes if there is a "hell" in the afterlife, it is limited to 1 yr. maximum! that is what Jews that believe in an afterlife believe, for purify of the soul.

God created the heavens & the earth (in the beginning) but His judgments seem to be clear- in this life. What judgments may follow a truly evil person in the afterlife- seem to be taken care of with a limited punishment- a trail by fire of God's all-consuming power. That would be necessary for the purification of an evil one's soul.
I used to be an annihilationist - but when I realized the New Jerusalem church- I realized that the Lake of fire spoke of "all liars" going to the LOF- & I thought that any person could very well go to the LOF!

Anyway, I am a Christian Universalist that says 1 yr. - if that long, those are separated from going to the 3rd heaven as pure.

"Gehenna, the name of a valley on the S. and E. of Jerusalem...which was so called from the cries of the little children who were thrown into the fiery arms of Moloch, i.e., of an idol having the form of a bull. The Jews so abhorred the place after these horrible sacrifices had been abolished by king Josiah (2 Kings xxiii.10), that they cast into it not only all manner of refuse, but even the dead bodies of animals and of unburied criminals who had been executed. And since fires were always needed to consume the dead bodies, that the air might not become tainted by the putrefaction, it came to pass that the place was called Gehenna.
Actually, since Gehenna was a proper name of a valley, it would have been called Gehenna whether or not any idolatry, burning, or dumping of garbage had ever occurred there, and it did, as we now see.
Fudge said concerning the history of the valley of Hinnom:
The valley bore this name at least as early as the writing of Joshua (Josh. 15:8; 18:16), though nothing is known of its origin. It was the site of child-sacrifices to Moloch in the days of Ahaz and Manasseh (apparently in 2 Kings 16:3; 21:6). This earned it the name “Topheth,†a place to be spit on or abhorred. This “Topheth†may have become a gigantic pyre for burning corpses in the days of Hezekiah after God slew 185,000 Assyrian soldiers in a night and saved Jerusalem (Isa. 30:31-33; 37:26). Jeremiah predicted that it would be filled to overflowing with Israelite corpses when God judged them for their sins (Jer. 7:31-33; 19:2-13). Josephus indicates that the same valley was heaped with dead bodies of the Jews following the Roman siege of Jerusalem about A.D. 69-70...Josiah desecrated the repugnant valley as part of his godly reform (2 Kings 23:10). Long before the time of Jesus, the Valley of Hinnom had become crusted over with connotations of whatever is “condemned, useless, corrupt, and forever discarded.†(Edward William Fudge, The Fire That Consumes [Houston: Providential Press, 1982], p. 160.)
We need to keep this place in mind as we read Jesus' teaching using a word referring back to this location in the Old Testament."

Jesus' teachings on hell-
Here's the entire article/link: Pantelism

 

[TRUTH over TRADITION]

We often make the mistake of viewing things from the point of view of our modern understanding. In the case of biblical topic we must take special care to try to see things from the perspective of the writer and his contemporaries in order to get the proper understanding.
As many here know in the OT the word that we translate as hell was the Hebrew word 'Sheol' which can be understood as the grave or the heart of the earth. The concept of a place where man lives in eternal torment was non existant in the old Hebrew scriptures.
Was we move ahead to the NT, we have up to 3 words that have been translated as hell. They are the Greek words 'Hades', which in scripture is synonomous with the Hebrew Sheol, there is GeHenna, which was a maggot infested garbage dumb outside of the city where trash and dead bodies where kept burning, and then there is Tartarus which seemed represented the imprisoned state of rebel spirit beings.

GeHenna is what must be focused on because it is the lone 'hell' that involves a fire. This place has roots in the Hebrew scriptures as it was a place where apostate Israelites sacrificed their children by fire to the god Molech. Topheth may also be a reference to this place as well. After the ungodly practice of sacrificing to Molech ceased, this place became a refuse where the dead bodies of criminals where thrown and burnt up in a fire that was kept perpetually burning.
Moving to the NT we have Jesus speaking in texts like Matthew 5 where he mentions GeHenna, which our Bibles translate as 'hell' or hell fire. He says the following there:

<SUP>22</SUP> However, I tell you this:
Whoever stays angry with his brother,
Must answer in the [day] of the Judgment;
And he who says his brother is worthless,
Will have to answer to the courts;
And he who [calls his brother] a moron,
Will be sentenced to the garbage-dump/(Hell) fires.

and

<SUP>29</SUP> ‘If your right eye should be a trap,
Pull it out and throw it away;
For it’s better to lose a piece of yourself,
Than to the garbage lose your body.
<SUP>30</SUP> And if your right hand should be a trap,
Cut it off and throw it away,
For it’s better to lose a piece of yourself,
Than to the garbage dump lose your body.

The garbage dump, GeHenna, and Hell are all synonomous and to the 1st century Jew listening to Jesus, their understanding of what he was saying about 'hell' would be a lot different than our modern concept. They would have likely thought back to Jeremiah 19 and Isaiah 66 which Jesus actually references in Mark 9:43-48 which reads:

<SUP>24</SUP> ‘They’ll go out and see the carcasses of men (those who rebelled against Me), whose worms won’t come to an end, and whose fire will not be extinguished… they’ll be a sight for all flesh [to see].’

Jesus message of "hell" was not about some eternal place where the mythical "immortal soul" of evil men are tortured endlessly. His message instead was about the destruction and death that would be the end of those who practice unrighteousness. In scripture, "hell"/Gehenna was was place of death and destruction where carcasses were burnt up and maggots (the worm) flourished.

 

[TRUTH over TRADITION]

What Does Revelation 14 say about hell?


<SUP>9</SUP> Then another messenger (a third one) followed him, shouting aloud: ‘If anyone worships the wild animal and its image and they receive the mark on their foreheads or on their hands, <SUP>10</SUP> they will also have to drink the pure wine of God’s rage that’s being poured into the cup of His anger. They will also be tortured with fire and sulfur where the holy messengers and the Lamb can see it; <SUP>11</SUP> and the smoke from the torture of those who bow low before the wild animal and its image and all those who receive the mark of its name, will ascend through ages of the ages, and they won’t have any rest day or night…

This passage should be viewed not by itself, but also in light of what other scriptures have to say about age lasting torture. Let's look to the little book of Jude to begin.

<SUP>7</SUP> The same is true of Sodom, GomorRah, and the cities around them. They became tired of just sexual immorality, and started chasing after other flesh; so they’ve been set before us as examples, since they’ve been condemned to the fire of the age.

As you can see, the same language is used to describe both those of Rev. 14 and Sodom. It Sodom this burning? Are those inhabitants still being tortured? The answer of course is no, BUT the EFFECTS of their punishment is what is age lasting. The effect of their punishment was destruction and the same can be said for those mentioned in Revelation 14.

 

[Elijah674]

Not sure about a physical body (1 Cor 15:42-44) ESV
So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

Sounds to me like a spiritual body.

Originally Posted by Alabaster

All the wicked will stand in a physical body before God. The wicked dead will be raised to be judged---the raising itself indicates 'body', doesn't it?

No one can stand in the presence of God without glorification, so these people will receive their new bodies just as the redeemed will, but they will not be permitted to remain in the Kingdom, but will be cast out to suffer the 'second death'.

The fires of hell cannot snuff out immortality. It is an unbearable thought that people will suffer torment forever yet never be consumed.

Elijah here:
This [[post]] has so many flaws that it is usless to reply to. The wicked are raised with immortal bodies!! Hardly! They will be resurected the same as when they died, to die again the SECOND DEATH! ETERNAL THIS TIME. Obad. 1:16 Mal. 4:1-3, & on & on!

If one wants more on this from me, just drop me an email.



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[l'Chante]

Originally Posted by Alabaster

This [[post]] has so many flaws that it is usless to reply to.
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Thank you, Elijah, but I value Alabaster’s input. She is very knowledgeable and a good friend.

 

[Nathan]

Thank you, Elijah, but I value Alabaster’s input. She is very knowledgeable and a good friend.

This is not intended to persuade you, but Elijah is right on this one. What we see about hell in the Bible is specific about the things of hell. And its meant to convey a reality of punishment that does not have a way to 'return' from.

You will NEVER see that humans, or even angels for that matter, have immortality, or eternal life. That is, only God is stated to have immortality, or be(posses) eternal life.

1Ti 6:13-16 I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who in his testimony before [fn] Pontius Pilate made the good confession, to keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, which he will display at the proper time--he who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.

Jhn 10:27-28 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

Jhn 17:1-2 When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, "Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you, since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him.

Rom 2:6-8 He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.

It takes a LOT of study, but it is woven throughout the Bible. Man will receive eternal life in the end. Its what we 'exchange' our faith for. Wicked people will NEVER receive eternal life. But they will suffer eternal destruction. That simply means that there is no "coming back" once your destroyed. Its done, kaput. No more. Understand?

Study for yourself before you believe anyone about it. Trust me. I once was one who believed in the "eternal" soul. But when I went to actually look it up for myself, it was simply not there.

Gen 2:7 then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.

Man "became" a "living creature". Not an eternal creature. And whats more, the simplicity of it all is this;

Gen 3:22 Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing(not eternal life) good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever--"

Man died, the soul died first the day he ate, then the flesh died later on. Never will you find man receiving an eternal state otherwise ALL through Scripture.

Just contemplate it for a while.