Questioning the reformation?

[Paul Timothy]

Did you notice the capitalization?

 

[donadams]

Time of reform. diorthōseōs is a noun. https://biblehub.com/hebrews/9-10.htm (scroll all the way to the bottom).

The point is, various church leaders of the 16th century had to reform the mess the Catholics made of Christianity.

Truth and the church are of divine origin and CANNOT be reformed by the tradition of men!

 

[donadams]

Your incorrect interpretation of these passages are either approved by a faulty clergy or you are going off the reservation.

Which one is it?

Can we decide truth and faith for ourselves based on our own private judgement?

Or is Christ and his church the way the truth and the life? Jn 14:6

 

[Paul Timothy]

Can we decide truth and faith for ourselves based on our own private judgement?

Decide no.... discover yes.

Or is Christ and his church the way the truth and the life? Jn 14:6

You misquoted John. Christ is the truth... not the church. So close.

 

[donadams]

Decide no.... discover yes.

You misquoted John. Christ is the truth... not the church. So close.

Christ and his church are one unity!
Acts 9:4 eph 5:32
Saul was persecuting the church! Christ said why persecut me.
Saul was a Protestant till the blinding light of Christ healed and converted him

Jn 14:6 Christ 1 Tim 3:15 his church

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
Jn 17:22 / rom 2:10 / 1 pet 1:7 Christ shares His glory with His saints!
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
Must hear church Matt 18:18
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15

The TWO EDGE SWORD!
To proclaim the truth! Matt 28:19
To condemn error! 1 cor 16:22
Thanks

 

[donadams]

Decide no.... discover yes.

You misquoted John. Christ is the truth... not the church. So close.

Where does it say a believer can discover truth?

 

[Paul Timothy]

Where does it say a believer can discover truth?

Where does it not?

 

[Paul Timothy]

Christ and his church are one unity!
Acts 9:4 eph 5:32
Saul was persecuting the church! Christ said why persecut me.
Saul was a Protestant till the blinding light of Christ healed and converted him

Jn 14:6 Christ 1 Tim 3:15 his church

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
Jn 17:22 / rom 2:10 / 1 pet 1:7 Christ shares His glory with His saints!
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
Must hear church Matt 18:18
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15

The TWO EDGE SWORD!
To proclaim the truth! Matt 28:19
To condemn error! 1 cor 16:22
Thanks

I show you where you misquote the Bible... then you pull out many more verses... I have debunked you many times and don't feel like doing it again.

Your passages are almost never in context.

 

[JLB]

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Questioning the reformation:

Reformed truth? (theology)

Truth is divine! God is truth!

I am the way, the truth, and the life!
Jn 14:6

Truth is eternal, Unchangeable, immutable and Ir-reformable.

No new doctrine or public revelation:

The Church is of divine origin and is eternal!

Truth and the Church cannot be reformed! There is no error in God or his church! Jn 14:6 Jn 16:13

Christ revealed the truth and Christ teaches the truth to all men thru His church! Matt 28:19

Reformation?
Where does the Bible say have a reformation? “Bible only authority” therefore the so-called reforms had “no” authority!

What was reformed?
Truth and the church are of divine origin, they come from God and cannot be reformed!

Not even honest; nothing was reformed, they rejected the one true church Jn 10:16 founded and established by Christ on Peter matt 16:18 and the apostles matt 18:18 eph 2:20 His witnesses acts 1:8 lead into all truth Jn 16:13 and then teaching and sanctifying all men unto salvation. Matt 28:19 and started new ones when only Christ has authority Matt 28:18 to found the church. Matt 16:18


Where did Christ err in establishing the church
To accept the so-called “reformation” is to reject Christ and scripture Matt 16:18-19 shall not prevail
Is Christ powerless to defend his bride
And the purity of her doctrine

Church not dependent on scripture

The church was established before the New Testament scripture!

The church came first:
Existed first:
exercised authority and taught before there was a New Testament:
The church was taught by Christ in person for three years and wrote the New Testament!

No reformation at all: only protest, accusations, revolt and rebellion!

Thanks

My question to my reformed brothers is... what was reformed and who reformed it?




JLB

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Truth and the church are of divine origin and CANNOT be reformed by the tradition of men!

Luther did not consult tradition when he ushered in the reformation of the Catholic church's theology of works justification to that of the theology of justification by faith taught by the Apostles. The Protestant reformation is based on Romans 1:17, not tradition.

In Catholicism, the righteousness by which a person becomes righteous, and therefore, eligible for entry into the kingdom of God, is the righteousness of one's rituals and deeds that you performed in faith in obedience to the church and which you then present to God at the end of your life. And if found satisfactory, you enter into the eternal kingdom of God. This is the classic works justification gospel condemned in scripture, except that you work your righteousness by which you are justified through faith. The addition of the element of faith making it appear to be the gospel of faith taught in scripture.

In Protestantism, the righteousness by which a person becomes righteous, and therefore, eligible for entry into the kingdom of God, is the righteousness of God imputed to you as a free gift of his grace, apart from your works, given to you when you believe in God's promise of a Son who will inherit your blessing on your behalf, just as that was true for Abraham, our example. In that moment of believing you are made righteous and eligible to enter into the kingdom of God solely on the merits of God's righteousness, not yours, and so you are translated into the kingdom of light and out of the kingdom of darkness in that moment, not at the resurrection. You're not working to become righteous, as the Catholics are doing, you are already completely righteous in that moment, because it is the righteousness of God that has been credited to you. From that point onward you await the redemption of your body at the resurrection when you enter, physically, into the eternal kingdom of God. At that time your righteous deeds serve as the evidence of your justification, not the procurer of it as in Catholicism.

 

[donadams]

Where does it not?

Christians must be taught or instructed, according to the sense which the perpetual consent of the Catholic Church hath held and expressed!

Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Jn 20:21
Acts 8:31
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! “One faith” Eph 4:5 Thee faith once handed to the saints” Jude 1:3

 

[donadams]

I show you where you misquote the Bible... then you pull out many more verses... I have debunked you many times and don't feel like doing it again.

Your passages are almost never in context.

I did a Bible search for context
NOTHING
Does this make me a Barean? Lol!

 

[donadams]

If

My question to my reformed brothers is... what was reformed and who reformed it?




JLB

If your asking me nothing was reformed and there was no reformation only a complete revolt against Christ and His church!
Thanks

 

[Paul Timothy]

I did a Bible search for context
NOTHING
Does this make me a Barean? Lol!

Just another cultist.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Christians must be taught or instructed, according to the sense which the perpetual consent of the Catholic Church hath held and expressed!

"Christians must be taught (and) instructed..."

You can end your quote there. No Catholic church needed. Catholicism will only teach you a false works justification theology, not the theology of God's righteousness given to you when you believe in God apart from your works taught in scripture.

 

[Paul Timothy]

Christians must be taught or instructed, according to the sense which the perpetual consent of the Catholic Church hath held and expressed!

Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Jn 20:21
Acts 8:31
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! “One faith” Eph 4:5 Thee faith once handed to the saints” Jude 1:3

I don't see the Catholic Church mentioned in the Bible.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

If

If your asking me nothing was reformed and there was no reformation only a complete revolt against Christ and His church!
Thanks

He's asking reformists.

 

[donadams]

Luther did not consult tradition when he ushered in the reformation of the Catholic church's theology of works justification to that of the theology of justification by faith taught by the Apostles. The Protestant reformation is based on Romans 1:17, not tradition.

In Catholicism, the righteousness by which a person becomes righteous, and therefore, eligible for entry into the kingdom of God, is the righteousness of one's rituals and deeds that you performed in faith in obedience to the church and which you then present to God at the end of your life. And if found satisfactory, you enter into the eternal kingdom of God. This is the classic works justification gospel condemned in scripture, except that you work your righteousness by which you are justified through faith. The addition of the element of faith making it appear to be the gospel of faith taught in scripture.

In Protestantism, the righteousness by which a person becomes righteous, and therefore, eligible for entry into the kingdom of God, is the righteousness of God imputed to you as a free gift of his grace, apart from your works, given to you when you believe in God's promise of a Son who will inherit your blessing on your behalf, just as that was true for Abraham, our example. In that moment of believing you are made righteous and eligible to enter into the kingdom of God solely on the merits of God's righteousness, not yours, and so you are translated into the kingdom of light and out of the kingdom of darkness in that moment, not at the resurrection. You're not working to become righteous, as the Catholics are doing, you are already completely righteous in that moment, because it is the righteousness of God that has been credited to you. From that point onward you await the redemption of your body at the resurrection when you enter, physically, into the eternal kingdom of God. At that time your righteous deeds serve as the evidence of your justification, not the procurer of it as in Catholicism.

Only apostles have authority from Christ what so-called reformer was an apostle?
Thanks

 

[donadams]

Just another cultist.

All scripture (full 73) books are inspired says nothing about context?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

If

If your asking me nothing was reformed and there was no reformation only a complete revolt against Christ and His church!
Thanks

If you knew anything about Luther you'd know he revolted against the Catholic's teaching that a person becomes righteous by being righteous. He saw in scripture that righteousness is God's righteousness given to the believer as a free gift, through faith, not the working of one's righteousness over time by being righteous.