Validity of Scripture, the Apocrypha versus the King James

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I don't find that anyone needs to know how the Jews lived to get that, but ok, if you say so.
I did find quite an unpleasant lot of supposed fellow Christians who don't even understand what sin is. On this forum alone, one clings to a false doctrine that we're sinless as Jesus, another who prides himself as a teacher believes that sin is behavioral issue. We know the whole gospel can be summed up in one verse - "Christ died for our sins, according to the Scripture." (1 Cor. 15:3) But how can the gospel be correctly received by these people who don't view themselves as sinners in need of a savior? Jesus also retorted that the healthy don't need a physician, the sick do, right? And according to what Scripture? You know, there're also a lot of Christians who only read Paul's epistles and take them as doctrines, anything else is bygone history, they may take 1 Cor. 15:3 itself as "Scripture" even though all mentions of "Scripture" in the NT are OT references, which they deem as irrelevant. So it's not as simple, the premises of "God created man" and "man sinned" are not widely accepted as you think. How do you respond to the alternatives of "my hunter-gather ancestors created man" and "the society which I live in sinned"?
 
I honestly don't know any believers who think that the Scriptures dropped from the sky. You must run with an awesome crowd. And I'm not sure what 'written in a vacuum' is supposed to mean as regards the truth of God's word and the purpose for which God sent it forth. Could you explain that? What do you mean that the Scriptures weren't written in a vacuum. I honestly don't know of any written work that was written in a vacuum. Is that a new form of writing? One goes into a room with no air and tries to write as long as they can before they die? LOL
No, that's an ironic way to say the authors were socially isolated and disconnected, didn't know any cultural trend at the time, didn't read any literature, didn't study at any school, God quietly spoke all the words in their heads and they just slavishly wrote them down. That's not how the Scripture was written. But some believers do think that's how it was written by taking 2 Tim. 3:16 out of context.
I wonder if Paul understood the Scriptures in that way?
Yes, "All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any." That's his polemic against the Corinthians' saying, "all things are lawful for me". Another example concerning resurrection: "But someone will say, 'How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?' Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies." That's his polemic against the doubters of resurrection. Go back to Romans, the first letter, a polemic against hypocrisy - "Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things" I'm pretty sure Paul did get it, you don't.
 
Hi Carry_Your_Name

Hey, what is it that you believe that I don't understand about the Scriptures because I don't know all this stuff about polemics? Your initial claim was that some of these Apocryphal accounts are 'necessary' for us to form a criteria by which we can understand the Scriptures 'correctly'. I hear that, but I question why you think that one needs to know these Apocryphal writings to have a 'correct' understanding of the Scriptures. I'm not particularly well versed on the Apocryphal writings and so I'm curious as to what you think one misses out in understanding the Scriptures correctly if they aren't so familiar? Polemic: A sharp repudiation on another's opinions, views or principles. That's what a polemic is, huh? That's almost too hard for me to wrap my head around. So, I should be reading those writings that provide me a sharp repudiation on who? Myself? My own opinions, views or principles? Polemic. I'm still not sure I get it, sorry.
I have already given you plenty of examples for polemics. "You have heard ... but I say unto you" is an obvious formula of polemics. Jesus provided a sharp repudiation on the Pharisees' misinterpretations, i.e what "you have heard". If you don't know what their misinterpretations are, why did they come from, why are they misinterpretations, how are they relevant regarding their cultural impact on Jesus's audience, you're not gonna understand the Sermon on the Mount correctly.

As for the apocryphal writings, others have mentioned how they're referenced in the Scripture, how can you get these parts of the Scripture correctly without checking out those reference? For example, Enoch's prophecy in Jude 1:14-15 is nowhere to be found in the OT, the man Enoch himself was just a name in the genealogy from Adam to Noah, nothing else about him was mentioned other than "God took him". His identity and his importance as perhaps the first prophet, and plenty of pre-Flood world history including the mystery of the "Nephelim" are recorded in the book of 1 Enoch. By no means does that make 1 Enoch as infallable as the 66 books in the canonical bible, but at least it's a helpful tool. If you believe all of these are irrelevant, you can figure out the word of God by your own wit, even though the bible says, "hear the instruction of your father," "do not lean on your own understanding."
 
Hi Carry_Your_Name

Hey, what is it that you believe that I don't understand about the Scriptures because I don't know all this stuff about polemics? Your initial claim was that some of these Apocryphal accounts are 'necessary' for us to form a criteria by which we can understand the Scriptures 'correctly'. I hear that, but I question why you think that one needs to know these Apocryphal writings to have a 'correct' understanding of the Scriptures. I'm not particularly well versed on the Apocryphal writings and so I'm curious as to what you think one misses out in understanding the Scriptures correctly if they aren't so familiar? Polemic: A sharp repudiation on another's opinions, views or principles. That's what a polemic is, huh? That's almost too hard for me to wrap my head around. So, I should be reading those writings that provide me a sharp repudiation on who? Myself? My own opinions, views or principles? Polemic. I'm still not sure I get it, sorry.
Look, what I think is to keep an open mind to new information and progress, don't worship an English translation of the bible, either KJV or any other version, and play a "heresy hunter" by hammering other fellow bothers and sisters with out of context quotes as though you alone were right, everybody else including renowned pastors and theologians were wrong, and you alone can understand all the bible without any outside help, before you get curious and investigate more, you get furious and rush to condemnation. That is an awful, prideful attitude that makes you an obnoxious snob.
 
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Hi Carry_Your_Name
If you don't know what their misinterpretations are, why did they come from, why are they misinterpretations, how are they relevant regarding their cultural impact on Jesus's audience, you're not gonna understand the Sermon on the Mount correctly.
I'm guessing that you really believe that, don't you. That if someone doesn't understand how others got it wrong, one can't get it right?
Look, what I think is to keep an open mind to new information and progress,
And I do have an open mind to new information.
By no means does that make 1 Enoch as infallable as the 66 books in the canonical bible, but at least it's a helpful tool.
Ok, I'll give you that some writings may be helpful tools. But not necessary tools. You seem to be trying to strongly make the point that unless I understand the mistakes or cultural establishments of the day, that I can't understand the Scriptures. I believe that plenty of people have come to salvation, the purpose of God's testimony to us, without understanding that Enoch wrote a prophecy that isn't found in the Scriptures.
don't worship an English translation of the bible,
How you got the understanding that I worship the 'english translation of the bible' is quite beyond my understanding. Because I hold that the Scriptures are sufficient for their purpose on their own, I'm worshipping the bible? OK. For the record, I don't worship written words beyond just believing that those found in the Scriptures are the only ones that we can know to be the truth of the matter of our existence and purpose.
and play a "heresy hunter" by hammering other fellow bothers and sisters with out of context quotes as though you alone were right, everybody else including renowned pastors and theologians were wrong, and you alone can understand all the bible without any outside help, before you get curious and investigate more, you get furious and rush to condemnation. That is an awful, prideful attitude that makes you an obnoxious snob.
That could be. Or it could be that it is the correct understsanding of the matter. And could you point out to me the 'out of context quote' that I gave?
 
Hi Carry_Your_Name

Honestly, between you and me and the lamppost, I'm not really looking to understand 'ancient Jewish philosophies. The Jews were just God's writing instruments. Like you might hold a pen, God held up several specific Jews to be His prophets and they wrote, according to Paul, as the Holy Spirit of God led them to write. Even writing about things for which they likely had no understanding themselves. What I want to understand is God's testimony to me. What God has caused to be written over the centuries to reveal Himself and His purposes and plans to me. For that, I'm interested in studying the Scriptures so that I can know God. I don't study the Scriptures to understand 'ancient Jewish philosophies'. That would be something for philosophers to read about and work to understand and know how ancient Jews lived within their communities and how they understood things. I'm not interested in that knowledge as far as seeking for it.
God has said that His word is a lamp unto my feet, not all of the writings that man has cobbled together outside of His testimony to explain how they understood His testimony. Quite frankly, for the Jews overall, very, very, very few of them seemed to have had the correct understanding of God's testimony or they would have hailed Jesus as their Messiah... right?

I mean, Daniel clearly wrote, that at the end of the 69 sevens, Messiah would be here. They obviously weren't keeping an accounting of those 70 sevens that Daniel wrote to them about. Because Jesus was here right at the end of the 69 sevens, just as God's word had told them he would be.
Question for you.
Who has the final word on Scriptural Interpretation, for the whole Church?
 
Hi Carry_Your_Name

I'm guessing that you really believe that, don't you. That if someone doesn't understand how others got it wrong, one can't get it right?
Yes, if that wrong teaching was the context, the prevailing ethos and culture at the biblical time, to which the right teaching was given as a response. Many of these wrong teachings are still widespread among many churches, where many of these ancient errors are being repeated in modern forms. The only thing mankind has learned from history is that mankind hasn't learnt anything from history.
And I do have an open mind to new information.
Whether that's true or not is between you and God.
Ok, I'll give you that some writings may be helpful tools. But not necessary tools. You seem to be trying to strongly make the point that unless I understand the mistakes or cultural establishments of the day, that I can't understand the Scriptures. I believe that plenty of people have come to salvation, the purpose of God's testimony to us, without understanding that Enoch wrote a prophecy that isn't found in the Scriptures.
Is it a necessary tool? For salvation, no; but for understanding Jude 1:14-15 correctly, yes.
How you got the understanding that I worship the 'english translation of the bible' is quite beyond my understanding. Because I hold that the Scriptures are sufficient for their purpose on their own, I'm worshipping the bible? OK. For the record, I don't worship written words beyond just believing that those found in the Scriptures are the only ones that we can know to be the truth of the matter of our existence and purpose.
I've got impression by stereotyping. Some people around here often condescendingly lecture on you: "what does God's word say?" When you read their posts carefully, it's mostly empty platitudes with no insight.
That could be. Or it could be that it is the correct understsanding of the matter. And could you point out to me the 'out of context quote' that I gave?
Ask yourself. I'm not here for a fight, and I don't mean to point fingers.
 
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Question for you.
Who has the final word on Scriptural Interpretation, for the whole Church?
Reality.

And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. (Deut. 18:21-22)
 
Do you know where that Greek translation came from?
Since it came about around the 3rd century BC, all we have are stories. Here is one:

Here's another one:

There's probably 100 or more out there.
 
Reality.

And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. (Deut. 18:21-22)

Sorry, but that does not answer my question. I will ask it with different words.
The Gospel is interpreted from Scripture in very contradictory ways by several different "denominations" of Christianity.
Who decides which of those interpretations are correct for the whole of the Church?
 
Since it came about around the 3rd century BC, all we have are stories. Here is one:

Here's another one:

There's probably 100 or more out there.

Notice that your second link uses the words "proto Masoretic text".
The Septuagint is NOT the same document as that Greek document which became the Madoretic text. The Council of Jamnia issued a translation of the Hebrew into Greek and that was later translated into the modern Hebrew invented by the Masoretes.
That Greek version was unknown to the Apostles and was not used by them. The 3rd Century bc Septuagint is what they used and what they passed down to the Church.
Which version should we use? The version given by the unbelieving Jews of Jamnia? Or the version given to the Church by the believing Jewish Apostles?
 
And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. (Deut. 18:21-22)
This really doesn't have anything today about us today interpreting the Scripture.

The passages right before yours says:
Deu 18:18 I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. 19 And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him.
20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.'

Verse 18-19 is the promise that God would send Jesus. This is quoted in Acts 3:22-23.

Your verse talks about false prophets who prophecy things that do not come to pass. Kind of like all the Dispensationalists who prophesied that the rapture would happen in 1988. Here is one:
88 Reasons Why the Rapture is in 1988
Edgar C. Whisenant

You can still buy the book today on Amazon.
I believe Hal Lindsay also said this and he is still selling books today and people are still buying them.
The 1980's: Countdown to Armageddon and Hope For the Terminal Generation were two of his false prophecy books. The "terminal generation" was those living in the 1980's.
 
The Septuagint is NOT the same document as that Greek document which became the Madoretic text.
I believe the Masoretic text is Hebrew, not Greek.
As I understand it, the Septuagint is a Greek translation of the Hebrew OT written sometime BC. Yes, the disciples probably used it.

The Masoretic Text was written sometime between the seventh and tenth centuries AD, it was based on the meticulously preserved oral tradition and the best available manuscripts of the original Hebrew text. Most English translations of the Old Testament are based on the Masoretic Text.
 
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I believe the Masoretic text is Hebrew, not Greek.
As I understand it, the Septuagint is a Greek translation of the Hebrew OT written sometime BC. Yes, the disciples probably used it.

The Masoretic Text was written sometime between the seventh and tenth centuries AD, it was based on the meticulously preserved oral tradition and the best available manuscripts of the original Hebrew text. Most English translations of the Old Testament are based on the Masoretic Text.

It is Hebrew, but it is modern Hebrew and was translated into Hebrew by the Masoretes from the version of the Septuagint that the Council of Jamnia produced in 90 A.D.
This Greek text is different than the Greek Septuagint which the Church used from the Apostles onward.
 
Who has the final word on Scriptural Interpretation, for the whole Church?
Hi Dyonisius the Areopagite

That's going to depend on the fellowship that one belongs to, as to the answer for that question. I believe that the individual has the final word on scriptural interpretation. Now, we can certainly cull through the many commentaries and written defenses of various theologians, but ultimately, what one believes as to the interpretation of any particular piece of Scripture is up to the reader.

And of course, 85% of Scripture doesn't need any kind of special interpretation because it is not difficult to understand. Most Scripture is pretty straightforward in its meaning and context. The places where most look for interpretations outside of the Scriptures themselves is in the prophetic writings. When it is written that Jesus and his disciples walked into Jerusalem there is no need of any kind of 'special' interpretation. But when Daniel writes of the beasts that he saw in his visions, then yes, we often look to others who may have more knowledge on the matter for interpretation. But even then, one reads the commentary and then reads the Scriptures and perhaps reads a few other commentaries and then the Scriptures. At some point they decide on what it is that they believe is the proper interpretation and that's what they go with. So, in the end, it's still the individual that chooses what they will believe about the matters written of in the Scriptures.

Now, as to the matter of the 'whole' church, that's going to depend on what that particular fellowship of the church believes. Many Catholics believe that the ultimate determiner of interpretation for the Scriptures is the Pope, or some other great saint person. But generally the Pope in matters of debate. With the Baptist fellowships, we have a basic set of beliefs about the validity of the Scriptures and the person of the trinity and what the Scriptures say about salvation and the reward of heaven for our faith. But one will find in any fellowship where reading of the Scriptures is encouraged that there will always be some disagreement on points. Even Paul wrote about it.

I believe that God, through His Holy Spirit, has cobbled together for us the books that God expects us to recognize as 'the Scriptures'. I believe that book is the one that most closely matches the Hebrew old covenant and the books that have been canonized as the new covenant by a group of people who were a lot closer to the days of their accounting than we are today. I have to trust that for the last 2,000 years or so they got it right, because that's now become the most widely accepted form of the new covenant.

But each one of us has the responsibility before God to know and understand what God is doing in this realm of His creating. Whether they belong to a formal fellowship of believers or not. In the end, what we did because of our knowledge of the Scriptures will be what we are judged on. We either trusted and followed after Jesus... or we didn't.
 
Hi Dyonisius the Areopagite

That's going to depend on the fellowship that one belongs to, as to the answer for that question. I believe that the individual has the final word on scriptural interpretation. Now, we can certainly cull through the many commentaries and written defenses of various theologians, but ultimately, what one believes as to the interpretation of any particular piece of Scripture is up to the reader.
If all interpretations are valid, then NO interpretation is valid, because there is NO actual definition of Christianity. There is no DEFINED GOSPEL, because it is up to the individual to determine just what exactly the Gospel is via interpretation of Scripture.
There is only ONE TRUTH. Thus, there can only be ONE true interpretation of Holy Scripture. All other varying interpretations are a lie, and NOT the truth. All other Gospels are a LIE and anathema.
The true enemy here is Sola Scriptura. This is what compels sincere believers such as yourself to proclaim yourself THE authority on Scriptural interpretation. And make no mistake. That IS what you are claiming
And of course, 85% of Scripture doesn't need any kind of special interpretation because it is not difficult to understand. Most Scripture is pretty straightforward in its meaning and context. The places where most look for interpretations outside of the Scriptures themselves is in the prophetic writings. When it is written that Jesus and his disciples walked into Jerusalem there is no need of any kind of 'special' interpretation. But when Daniel writes of the beasts that he saw in his visions, then yes, we often look to others who may have more knowledge on the matter for interpretation. But even then, one reads the commentary and then reads the Scriptures and perhaps reads a few other commentaries and then the Scriptures. At some point they decide on what it is that they believe is the proper interpretation and that's what they go with. So, in the end, it's still the individual that chooses what they will believe about the matters written of in the Scriptures.

Now, as to the matter of the 'whole' church, that's going to depend on what that particular fellowship of the church believes.
Again, this principle should be obvious to you to be self-contradictory. Jesus founded ONE Church, not ten million. There is only one; all others are pretenders, no matter how well meaning. Now, as individual human beings we must all decide for ourselves which Church is the true Church; but that there is a true Church with the true interpretation of Holy Scripture, there is no doubt.
I do see the irony, however, and I understand where you are at, for I was once there and it really was not long ago that I was there.
Ironically, it was the principle of sola scriptura which drove me away from the Protestant Churches and to the Orthodox Church. When I was twelve, I was introduced to serious Biblical study and I attended a plethora of various Churches through my family. I have pretty much been exposed to every major Church that there is, at one point or another. But, when I was young, I was taught to always bring my Bible to Church and to check for myself each and every Scripture that was quoted at the Church I was attending by the Pastor or anyone else. Now, I was always very theologically minded and when the pastor would begin to preach on a Scripture and I had made sure the scripture was as he said, and he would begin to preach, I would pretty much see where he was going with his sermon and so I would simply read Scripture. By the time I was 16 or so I had read most of the Bible. I saw many things in Scripture that seemed very contrary to what I was hearing from the pulpits; but I respected authority and did not openly say anything. It was these various contrary things which eventually led me to Orthodoxy. I found that every question I had; every contrary understanding, was actually affirmed through the ancient Church; even about topics like Tongues.
The main point I am trying to convey here is that Christians have, for too long, been divided; and it is time for us to UNIFY, because the end is drawing nigh and we are all going to need one another as persecution begins.
The AUTHORITY of the Church must be respected and all of us must submit to the Authority of the Holy Spirit and His Order of the Church. That Authority is in the ancient Succession of the Apostles and the rulings of the Ecumenical Councils which derived from that Authority.
Many Catholics believe that the ultimate determiner of interpretation for the Scriptures is the Pope, or some other great saint person. But generally the Pope in matters of debate. With the Baptist fellowships, we have a basic set of beliefs about the validity of the Scriptures and the person of the trinity and what the Scriptures say about salvation and the reward of heaven for our faith. But one will find in any fellowship where reading of the Scriptures is encouraged that there will always be some disagreement on points. Even Paul wrote about it.

I believe that God, through His Holy Spirit, has cobbled together for us the books that God expects us to recognize as 'the Scriptures'.
Why would God stop at guiding the Church in the authentic Scriptures? Why would He leave her blind to the right understanding of those same Scriptures? Why would God ONLY inspire Scripture? It was NEVER THUS in the ancient Church. the WHOLE CHURCH, her entire structure and life, were inspired by God. Do you know that there are many writings that are KNOWN to have been written by an Apostle or close associate of an Apostle but which were never canonized? There are even some which ARE canonized in LOCAL Church canons (for example, the Ethiopian Canon has 81 books, including 1st and 2nd Clement and the Book of Enoch). The Didache was written by the Apostolic Community, we just don't know by whom or from where. What makes these books of lesser spiritual authority, when they were written by Apostles or their close students? The Church NEVER ruled them uninspired. Such concepts are uniquely Protestant and have only existed for 500 years AND only in the West. Such concepts are foreign to the much wider Christian world. Western Christians tend to think that the world revolves around their perceptions, but the reality is much different.
I believe that book is the one that most closely matches the Hebrew old covenant and the books that have been canonized as the new covenant by a group of people who were a lot closer to the days of their accounting than we are today.
If that is what you believe, then you should trust the Septuagint over the Masoretic text, because the APOSTLES passed the Septuagint to the Church; and that in its entirety, including the so called "Deuterocanon" or "Apocrypha". The post Christian Jews who REJECTED Jesus are the foundation of the Masoretic text that came a thousand years later, and while Christians should always respect the unbelieving Jews, they are NOT our Authority. Jesus Christ, through the Apostles (the original Church) is our Authority.
I have to trust that for the last 2,000 years or so they got it right, because that's now become the most widely accepted form of the new covenant.

But each one of us has the responsibility before God to know and understand what God is doing in this realm of His creating. Whether they belong to a formal fellowship of believers or not. In the end, what we did because of our knowledge of the Scriptures will be what we are judged on. We either trusted and followed after Jesus... or we didn't.
 
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Your verse talks about false prophets who prophecy things that do not come to pass. Kind of like all the Dispensationalists who prophesied that the rapture would happen in 1988. Here is one:
Yes, and by that we know they were wrong. Correct interpretation passes the test of reality check, incorrect ones fail.
 
Yes, and by that we know they were wrong. Correct interpretation passes the test of reality check, incorrect ones fail.

How does "reality check" account for the differences between interpretations which follow the Calvinist ideal of double predestination vs the classic Baptist view which corresponds to the "synergy" understanding of the ancient Church and compared to the Pentecostal view of backsliding and losing one's salvation through choice to Sim?
Tell me what "reality check" decides between the above three different viewpoints of scriptural interpretation.
 
How does "reality check" account for the differences between interpretations which follow the Calvinist ideal of double predestination vs the classic Baptist view which corresponds to the "synergy" understanding of the ancient Church and compared to the Pentecostal view of backsliding and losing one's salvation through choice to Sim?
Tell me what "reality check" decides between the above three different viewpoints of scriptural interpretation.
The difference lies within their work. Most of these denominations have gone apostate, either devolved into "therapeutic moralistic deism" or total wokeness nonsense, preaching worldly values with a Christian label, embracing LGBT group, etc. Not only do they have no cultural influence, they have been influenced by the culture. That is the reality check. Whatever their interpretation is, doesn't matter, a tree is known by its fruit. When they face God almighty in heaven, they'll be judged by their work, not by their viewpoint of scriptural interpretation. Take a look at the seven churches in Revelation, did Lord Jesus mention a single word about how any of them interpret the Scripture? He judged all of them by their work. Work doesn't earn you salvation, but it surely PROVES your salvation, and it earns you blessing, does any of these denominations know the difference?
 
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The difference lies within their work. Most of these denominations have gone apostate, either devolved into "therapeutic moralistic deism" or total wokeness nonsense, preaching worldly values with a Christian label, embracing LGBT group, etc.
All Baptist and Calvanist Churches have gone wayward? Their interpretations don't matter because they are all apostate?
You are, first and foremost, painting with a broad brush, and secondly begging the question. I mean, I am a sold out Christian and totally agree with you concerning the moral questions, but the various Churches like the Episcopals and so forth who have even recently split over homosexuality, point to "alternative" interpretations of Scripture
Not only do they have no cultural influence, they have been influenced by the culture. That is the reality check. Whatever their interpretation is, doesn't matter, a tree is known by its fruit. When they face God almighty in heaven, they'll be judged by their work, not by their viewpoint of scriptural interpretation.
They will say that it is your own interpretation that is blinding you to God's Love and that because of that you lack His Compassion for the LGBTQ. I don't agree with that, but that is not the point. The point is that it is DOCTRINE which defines the Holy Church.
Take a look at the seven churches in Revelation, did Lord Jesus mention a single word about how any of them interpret the Scripture? He judged all of them by their work. Work doesn't earn you salvation, but it surely PROVES your salvation, and it earns you blessing, does any of these denominations know the difference?
The Churches you point to often are much more generous with charitable works than Churches which are Doctrinally correct.
Like I said, you are question begging. Furthermore, you are failing to realize that it is the diligence of the ancient Church up until now which has PRESERVED the true Apostolic Dogmatic Doctrines which DEFINE what Christianity actually is and what the teachings of the Lord actually were.
Again, you have failed to answer who has the final word on Scriptural interpretation for the whole Church.