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What institution gave us scripture as I thought it was the written letters of the Apostles that God inspired them to write and give to the body of Christ.
I AM serious.
So everyone just woke up one day with a fully bound Bible in their language? Is that what you thought happened?
Yes, after the invention of the printing press in 1440 as Bibles were produced in many different languages. Before the invention of the printing press the Bible that is made up from the letters of the Prophets and Apostles (Dead Sea Scrolls) were hand written typically by scribes using parchment made of animal skin or papyrus that was a plant based paper. First written on scrolls and later bound books. Before the printing press Bibles were not readily available to everyone.
Unfortunately those of the Roman Catholic Church were not allowed to own a KJV Bible other than a Catholic version rewritten by the Roman Catholic Church that contains the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church. This is why Mass was always done in Latin as many could not read or understand Latin and just accepted it as being authoritative. I know this because my mother was raised a Catholic, but now a Spiritually born again Christian. My ex-nephew years ago was not allowed to receive the KJV Bible I bought for him when he went through Confirmation classes.
So...no. The Church had the Bible beforehand. The Church produced the Bible.
Then please answer my questions: When does Jesus say that the wheat and tares are to be harvested? Harvest time. When do you think harvest time is, has it happened or is it yet to happen? Based on those things, what does the kingdom of heaven have to do with the Church?
Why are you asking ME? Do you want me to interpret scripture for you?
Because that is how debating and discussions work. If you’re asking that question, then what are you even doing in this thread?
YES but YOU believe in Sola Scriptura, no? So you believe the INDIVIDUAL must interpret scripture. I DON'T. The Church interprets scripture. If I were to take scripture at face value...Jesus is just talking about farming. But I understand it's a parable with a deeper meaning because the CHURCH TEACHES THIS.
This is absolutely, completely, utterly, 100% irrelevant to the discussion. It’s your way of trolling by putting down Protestantism and promoting your particular view of the “Church.” I’ve seen you use this tactic many times previously.
No, if you were to take it at face vaule, you would understand that it’s a parable that teaches something about the kingdom of heaven.
The Church has nothing to do with understanding that it’s a parable. Jesus pretty much tells us it is, from a plain reading of the text. And the meaning is pretty simple and straightforward.
That's not how 'face value' works. He is LITERALLY talking about wheat.
How did YOU figure it out.
Which church, the Roman Catholic Church that you follow?
Yes, it is how face value works. You really don't understand how to interpret Scripture, do you? Your church does it for you and that has left you unable to understand the Bible for yourself. Don't you think we should follow the example of the Bereans, who, in hearing Paul and Silas teach, were "examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so" (Acts 17:10-11)?
By reading what it plainly and clearly states.
I've asked you them more than once. Go back and figure it out. Once again, you need to start taking this discussion seriously.
I don't 'follow' the Roman Catholic Church
The Bible is not for ME to interpret. That would be prideful. Why would I be a better interpreter of scripture than the spiritual successors of the Apostles whom Christ established His Church upon?
"Seems". You don't sound certain
Jesus is talking about wheat. Or does it have another meaning? If so, does your meaning 'coincidentally' match the interpretation that the Church has had for millennia?
My personal interpretation is that I already answered your questions
The harvest is at the end of the age, not now. It is a future event tied to Christ’s return and the final judgment. Until then, the Church on earth is a mixed reality—both the wheat and the tares are present. The Kingdom of Heaven is mystically present in the Church through the sacraments and the presence of the Holy Spirit (we experience this when physically present at Liturgy, so come along to experience it too!), but its full manifestation awaits the end of time.
being born again means to be reborn through Holy Baptism and the gift of the Holy Spirit. It is not just a personal feeling or emotional moment—it is a sacramental reality, something God does in us.
I guess I misunderstood as I thought you went to the Catholic Church.
