Scripturally, does the Bible tell what happens to God's collateral damages that have taken place during our time on earth. One example: Daniel 3: 16-30; was it the will of God or stupidity of man? Another example: Exodus 15:4 KJV; was it the will of God or stupidity of man? Did all the soldiers deserve death? Knowing God's holy sovereignty.
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God is the potter. We are not God. God did not have to choose to give us life but He did. In giving us life, He chose to give us the ability to love Him and we chose to disregard it for our own desires. At that point He could have chosen to eliminate the whole lot but He did not. Instead, He chose to save a remnant, Noah and his family. Knowing that we will continue in our disobedience He gave one other gift. That is the gift of hope in His Son, Jesus. We are given the option to disregard our selfish desires and forget about being our own gods and accept the gift of life offered in Jesus. We can choose not to accept but of course as with any fork in the road, there are consequences that come with our choice - life or death. It's pretty straight forward.
I would rather choose life. Thank you Jesus!
Hi JWdant
"God's collateral damages?" What exactly are you referring to? I'm not able to connect your comment with the events of Hananiah, Azariah, Mishael in the fiery furnace. What 'collateral' damage would God be responsible for in that event? According to you.
Then you apparently believe that God owes the Egyptians who were drowned in the sea chasing after God's people. Why? They were wicked people doing a wicked thing in God's sight. Why would He owe something for 'collateral' damages?
Yes, the Scriptures do tell us what happened to God's 'collateral' damages. They died!!! The guards died, not because of anything that God did. It was the king's own men who built the fire so hot as to burn up the guards putting Hananiah, Azariah and Mishael in the furnace. God didn't have anything to do with their deaths.
As for the Egyptian army, well, gosh, that's what happens to armies that go against God's people. They are completely and utterly destroyed. It's written in His Scriptures. God doesn't owe anything for the deaths of people on the earth. Life and death happen. We all die. Do you think that there is some big difference to God that someone lives until they are old and 90 and die and someone who gets caught up in some event that kills them and they die? Newsflash!!!! People die!!! It's been happening since the days of Adam and Eve.
God doesn't owe any of us anything, but He has love for those He created and He has mercy, for those who will return to Him. God's love, unlike human love, doesn't ebb and wane. It is constant and it is strong and, according to God's word, it is everlasting.
Keep this saying close to your heart: God doesn't owe us anything. He freely chooses to give us eternal life on His terms. That's who God is. Now, we can shake our fist and declare that He isn't fair or righteous, but that's likely a very dangerous path to take and one that I wouldn't expect someone who is filled with that oneness of God's Spirit to take.
God bless,
Ted
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Sorry you took the wrong premise to my question but never the less you answered it in a fashion of defense. No harm done there. I was asking is there any scriptural writings that reference God's collateral damage. In regards to your statements I myself would gladly be a pawn in God's plan.
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Hosea 4:1 Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel: for the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because there is no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land.
Hosea 4:2 By swearing, and lying, and killing, and stealing, and committing adultery, they break out, and blood toucheth blood.
Hosea 4:3 Therefore shall the land mourn, and every one that dwelleth therein shall languish, with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven; yea, the fishes of the sea also shall be taken away.
Hosea 4:4 Yet let no man strive, nor reprove another: for thy people are as they that strive with the priest.
Hosea 4:5 Therefore shalt thou fall in the day, and the prophet also shall fall with thee in the night, and I will destroy thy mother.
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Hosea 4:7 As they were increased, so they sinned against me: therefore will I change their glory into shame.
I will use Esau for an example as God did not hate Esau, but sore displeased with him in his deception of selling his birthright, Genesis 25. God said He also created evil and this is what fell upon Esau as we read in Malachi 1:2-5.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
The word translated "evil" is from a Hebrew word kelalah that means adversary, affliction, calamity, distress and misery. This is what God has created and puts on those who He has cursed for their rebellion against Him so they know "I AM" in all sovereignty, Deuteronomy 27:11-26.
Exodus Chapter 7-11 is a witness of the "Great I AM" and what God brought forth in His affliction, calamity, distress and misery on Pharaoh and the Egyptians.
God gave Pharaoh and the Egyptians a chance to repent and turn back to Him, but they rejected God as Pharaoh hardened his heart against God like so many even today do this.
2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
Hosea 4:2 By swearing, and lying, and killing, and stealing, and committing adultery, they break out, and blood toucheth blood.
Hosea 4:3 Therefore shall the land mourn, and every one that dwelleth therein shall languish, with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven; yea, the fishes of the sea also shall be taken away.
Hosea 4:4 Yet let no man strive, nor reprove another: for thy people are as they that strive with the priest.
Hosea 4:5 Therefore shalt thou fall in the day, and the prophet also shall fall with thee in the night, and I will destroy thy mother.
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Hosea 4:7 As they were increased, so they sinned against me: therefore will I change their glory into shame.
I will use Esau for an example as God did not hate Esau, but sore displeased with him in his deception of selling his birthright, Genesis 25. God said He also created evil and this is what fell upon Esau as we read in Malachi 1:2-5.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
The word translated "evil" is from a Hebrew word kelalah that means adversary, affliction, calamity, distress and misery. This is what God has created and puts on those who He has cursed for their rebellion against Him so they know "I AM" in all sovereignty, Deuteronomy 27:11-26.
Exodus Chapter 7-11 is a witness of the "Great I AM" and what God brought forth in His affliction, calamity, distress and misery on Pharaoh and the Egyptians.
God gave Pharaoh and the Egyptians a chance to repent and turn back to Him, but they rejected God as Pharaoh hardened his heart against God like so many even today do this.
2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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Maybe you could clarify your question a little more so we can understand what your after?
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Hello JWdant.
What do you mean by "Gods' collateral damages"? I don't know of anything God does that's unintended.
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It seems to me that people try and ignore or side step questioning God's scripture. I don't question the sovereignty of God's scripture but to not ask questions of God is unscriptural. 2 Timothy 2:15. I've had 3 replies to this question and everyone sidesteps it with a truthful statement but with an off topic answer. What if I said Paul's collateral damage? He held the garments of the priest while the stoning of Stephen took place. You may be right saying God has no collateral damage because of his sovereignty of creation but are you saying the same of Paul? Paul was forgiven but does the scripture tell us anything of the collateral damage? You are not obligated to answer; I was just expounding on those who may have gone to heaven but was taken by collateral damage. Thought there might be a scripture explaining their demise.
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Can you give us an example? I'm still not quite understanding your question.
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Scripture says that He knows even when a sparrow falls to the ground, so why not man who is much greater than a sparrow?
Why did some particular people die as collateral damage to something that God was doing with someone else, a guilty party so to speak?
I don't have any hard and fast answers but my feeling is that for us to see that this is possible to happen because it did happen in the OT, we should treat it like a warning to us.
God seems to use natural means to bring judgement to man most of the time. Weather, volcanoes, earthquakes, hurricanes. So the danger is that these things do not discriminate. If an earthquake opens up the earth beneath your feet...I hope that was a saved soul!
The USA as well as the rest of the world has much doom and gloom on the horizon. How many people would die if Yellowstone blew her top in a big way?! One tidal wave off our east coast could take out New York. They say we are to be invaded by Aliens also, and that they're not going to be nice. That is not very far fetched nowadays. Maybe they will act friendly, but inside they are demonic and hate every one of us with a passion. The invasion will be staged (false flag) but the destruction will be real.
Now, Psalm 91 covers a lot of ground, as does the Lords prayer and Psalm 23. But if any of those catastrphes happen or even a combination of them, would kill many people. Many people who had not accepted Jesus as their Lord yet. So they die in their sins I would think.
Probably the only thing that we can do is to pray to God and earnestly ask Him to have mercy on all of us, for the sake of the lost souls which would die as collateral damage. Don't let them die in their sins, Lord! Have Mercy!
Why did some particular people die as collateral damage to something that God was doing with someone else, a guilty party so to speak?
I don't have any hard and fast answers but my feeling is that for us to see that this is possible to happen because it did happen in the OT, we should treat it like a warning to us.
God seems to use natural means to bring judgement to man most of the time. Weather, volcanoes, earthquakes, hurricanes. So the danger is that these things do not discriminate. If an earthquake opens up the earth beneath your feet...I hope that was a saved soul!
The USA as well as the rest of the world has much doom and gloom on the horizon. How many people would die if Yellowstone blew her top in a big way?! One tidal wave off our east coast could take out New York. They say we are to be invaded by Aliens also, and that they're not going to be nice. That is not very far fetched nowadays. Maybe they will act friendly, but inside they are demonic and hate every one of us with a passion. The invasion will be staged (false flag) but the destruction will be real.
Now, Psalm 91 covers a lot of ground, as does the Lords prayer and Psalm 23. But if any of those catastrphes happen or even a combination of them, would kill many people. Many people who had not accepted Jesus as their Lord yet. So they die in their sins I would think.
Probably the only thing that we can do is to pray to God and earnestly ask Him to have mercy on all of us, for the sake of the lost souls which would die as collateral damage. Don't let them die in their sins, Lord! Have Mercy!
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The scriptures you posted are good and well for the living. I'm referring to those who are dead but not necessarily in Christ but have consciousness of good. Good men kill good men. I speak from a soldiers point of view. Paul killed good men. I was trying to find scripture telling us about those good men that die in battle, for example: Did Joshua's army have collateral damage? Of course.
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1...2ahUKEwi6xrn5kPf8AhXSlYkEHZ7dCNMQ3eEDegQICRAK
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Agreed. One day, all of us will have to give account for our words and deeds here on earth.
There's only two ways to do it.
In Christ.
Not in Christ.
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If by "collateral damages" you mean "people who die," then, yes, the Bible does tell us what happens:
Hebrews 9:27
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
You might also consider the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31), which explains what happens to all who die for whatever reason.
Whether a part of Pharaoh's army millenia ago, or living today in modern, western society, all people deserve death, but God, in Christ, offers to us eternal life instead. (John 3:16; Romans 10:9-10; 1 John 5:11-13) Our bodies may die, but our souls/spirits go on to an eternal existence with God in heaven, or permanently apart from Him in hell.
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Are you thinking that because a person dies in a sort of "innocent" condition, suffering the consequences of an evil choice and/or action though not directly involved, that they ought to be, or are, accorded by God a special mercy or grace? I don't see this indicated in Scripture except for very young children who die in a state where they are, by reason of their youth, actually innocent. Every person beyond the stage of infantile innocence is guilty before God of sin and therefore is not exempted from the judgment and wrath of God because they died as "collateral damage" (See: Romans 1:18-20; Romans 3:10, 23; Ephesians 2:1-3; Titus 3:3, etc.).
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There is no damage man can do, collateral or not, that God hasn't allowed for., like a bomb falling on a city, where the faithful die along with the wicked. Is that what you mean?
If so, the answer to your question is that believers were separated and protected from harm before the bomb went off. We all reap what we sow.