Reception of the Holy Spirit

[PDoug]

What is required to receive the Holy Spirit?

Some of you believe that just belief is neccessary.

John.7
[39] Now this he said about the Spirit, which those who believed in him were to receive; for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
Acts.19
[2] And he said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said, "No, we have never even heard that there is a Holy Spirit."

This passage in Acts 19 was after Christ had been glorified, yet they apparently had not received the Holy Spirit even though they believed in Christ. So it seems that while belief is necessary there is more. In context this passage and the one in Acts 10 where the Holy Spirit came to cornelius and company seem to indicate that someone from the Church has to be present.

Please look at the following scripture:

Acts 19

1 While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples
2 and asked them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?"
They answered, "No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit."
3 So Paul asked, "Then what baptism did you receive?"
"John's baptism," they replied.
4 Paul said, "John's baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus."
5 On hearing this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.
7 There were about twelve men in all.

A characteristic of God, is that every individual who belongs to the Godhead (including the angels) is not only himself, but also everyone else in the Godhead at the same time - since they are all one and the same. As a consequence of this, the angels of the Holy Spirit are also the Holy Spirit. Therefore when the scriptures say that you are given the Holy Spirit via faith (Galatians 3:14), they mean that you are assigned a divine angel of the Holy Spirit who lives in you. It is this divine angel who is not only himself, but also the Holy Spirit, Christ, the Father, and everyone else that belongs to the kingdom of God. (Note: we know from 2 Peter 1:3-4 that the angel is divine, since it is his nature that a person acquires when that person has faith.)

Now the Holy Spirt has countless angels with many roles. Aside from the divine angel everyone receives when he as faith, the early Christians were assigned other angels that allowed them to perform the mysteries of prophecying, doing miracles, etc. It was these angels that Paul inquired about, when asked them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?"

 

[PDoug]

What is required to receive the Holy Spirit?

Some of you believe that just belief is neccessary.

John.7
[39] Now this he said about the Spirit, which those who believed in him were to receive; for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
Acts.19
[2] And he said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said, "No, we have never even heard that there is a Holy Spirit."

This passage in Acts 19 was after Christ had been glorified, yet they apparently had not received the Holy Spirit even though they believed in Christ. So it seems that while belief is necessary there is more. In context this passage and the one in Acts 10 where the Holy Spirit came to cornelius and company seem to indicate that someone from the Church has to be present.

Please look at the following scripture:

Acts 19

1 While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples
2 and asked them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?"
They answered, "No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit."
3 So Paul asked, "Then what baptism did you receive?"
"John's baptism," they replied.
4 Paul said, "John's baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus."
5 On hearing this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.
7 There were about twelve men in all.

A characteristic of God, is that every individual who belongs to the Godhead (including the angels) is not only himself, but also everyone else in the Godhead at the same time - since they are all one and the same. As a consequence of this, the angels of the Holy Spirit are also the Holy Spirit. Therefore when the scriptures say that you are given the Holy Spirit via faith (Galatians 3:14), they mean that you are assigned a divine angel of the Holy Spirit who lives in you. It is this divine angel who is not only himself, but also the Holy Spirit, Christ, the Father, and everyone else that belongs to the kingdom of God. (Note: we know from 2 Peter 1:3-4 that the angel is divine, since it is his nature that a person acquires when that person has faith.)

Now the Holy Spirt has countless angels with many roles. Aside from the divine angel everyone receives when he as faith, the early Christians were assigned other angels that allowed them to perform the mysteries of prophecying, doing miracles, etc. It was these angels that Paul inquired about, when asked them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?"

 

[PDoug]

What is required to receive the Holy Spirit?

Some of you believe that just belief is neccessary.

John.7
[39] Now this he said about the Spirit, which those who believed in him were to receive; for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
Acts.19
[2] And he said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said, "No, we have never even heard that there is a Holy Spirit."

This passage in Acts 19 was after Christ had been glorified, yet they apparently had not received the Holy Spirit even though they believed in Christ. So it seems that while belief is necessary there is more. In context this passage and the one in Acts 10 where the Holy Spirit came to cornelius and company seem to indicate that someone from the Church has to be present.

Please look at the following scripture:

Acts 19

1 While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples
2 and asked them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?"
They answered, "No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit."
3 So Paul asked, "Then what baptism did you receive?"
"John's baptism," they replied.
4 Paul said, "John's baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus."
5 On hearing this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.
7 There were about twelve men in all.

A characteristic of God, is that every individual who belongs to the Godhead (including the angels) is not only himself, but also everyone else in the Godhead at the same time - since they are all one and the same. As a consequence of this, the angels of the Holy Spirit are also the Holy Spirit. Therefore when the scriptures say that you are given the Holy Spirit via faith (Galatians 3:14), they mean that you are assigned a divine angel of the Holy Spirit who lives in you. It is this divine angel who is not only himself, but also the Holy Spirit, Christ, the Father, and everyone else that belongs to the kingdom of God. (Note: we know from 2 Peter 1:3-4 that the angel is divine, since it is his nature that a person acquires when that person has faith.)

Now the Holy Spirt has countless angels with many roles. Aside from the divine angel everyone receives when he as faith, the early Christians were assigned other angels that allowed them to perform the mysteries of prophecying, doing miracles, etc. It was these angels that Paul inquired about, when asked them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?"

 

[PDoug]

What is required to receive the Holy Spirit?

Some of you believe that just belief is neccessary.

John.7
[39] Now this he said about the Spirit, which those who believed in him were to receive; for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
Acts.19
[2] And he said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said, "No, we have never even heard that there is a Holy Spirit."

This passage in Acts 19 was after Christ had been glorified, yet they apparently had not received the Holy Spirit even though they believed in Christ. So it seems that while belief is necessary there is more. In context this passage and the one in Acts 10 where the Holy Spirit came to cornelius and company seem to indicate that someone from the Church has to be present.

Please look at the following scripture:

Acts 19

1 While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples
2 and asked them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?"
They answered, "No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit."
3 So Paul asked, "Then what baptism did you receive?"
"John's baptism," they replied.
4 Paul said, "John's baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus."
5 On hearing this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.
7 There were about twelve men in all.

A characteristic of God, is that every individual who belongs to the Godhead (including the angels) is not only himself, but also everyone else in the Godhead at the same time - since they are all one and the same. As a consequence of this, the angels of the Holy Spirit are also the Holy Spirit. Therefore when the scriptures say that you are given the Holy Spirit via faith (Galatians 3:14), they mean that you are assigned a divine angel of the Holy Spirit who lives in you. It is this divine angel who is not only himself, but also the Holy Spirit, Christ, the Father, and everyone else that belongs to the kingdom of God. (Note: we know from 2 Peter 1:3-4 that the angel is divine, since it is his nature that a person acquires when that person has faith.)

Now the Holy Spirt has countless angels with many roles. Aside from the divine angel everyone receives when he as faith, the early Christians were assigned other angels that allowed them to perform the mysteries of prophecying, doing miracles, etc. It was these angels that Paul inquired about, when asked them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?"

 

[PDoug]

What is required to receive the Holy Spirit?

Some of you believe that just belief is neccessary.

John.7
[39] Now this he said about the Spirit, which those who believed in him were to receive; for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
Acts.19
[2] And he said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said, "No, we have never even heard that there is a Holy Spirit."

This passage in Acts 19 was after Christ had been glorified, yet they apparently had not received the Holy Spirit even though they believed in Christ. So it seems that while belief is necessary there is more. In context this passage and the one in Acts 10 where the Holy Spirit came to cornelius and company seem to indicate that someone from the Church has to be present.

Please look at the following scripture:

Acts 19

1 While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples
2 and asked them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?"
They answered, "No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit."
3 So Paul asked, "Then what baptism did you receive?"
"John's baptism," they replied.
4 Paul said, "John's baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus."
5 On hearing this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.
7 There were about twelve men in all.

A characteristic of God, is that every individual who belongs to the Godhead (including the angels) is not only himself, but also everyone else in the Godhead at the same time - since they are all one and the same. As a consequence of this, the angels of the Holy Spirit are also the Holy Spirit. Therefore when the scriptures say that you are given the Holy Spirit via faith (Galatians 3:14), they mean that you are assigned a divine angel of the Holy Spirit who lives in you. It is this divine angel who is not only himself, but also the Holy Spirit, Christ, the Father, and everyone else that belongs to the kingdom of God. (Note: we know from 2 Peter 1:3-4 that the angel is divine, since it is his nature that a person acquires when that person has faith.)

Now the Holy Spirt has countless angels with many roles. Aside from the divine angel everyone receives when he as faith, the early Christians were assigned other angels that allowed them to perform the mysteries of prophecying, doing miracles, etc. It was these angels that Paul inquired about, when asked them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?"

 

[thessalonian]

"Divine angel"???? I believe in guardian angels but not divine angels. Nor is nirvana true,though Christianity is about uniting ourselves with Christ we do not become divine. I believe I read Acts 19 quite closely already many times. Thanks.

 

[thessalonian]

Re: Paul

Great questions. We know that he had the indwelling HS because all Christians have the indwelling HS. We see this here:

Rom 8
9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

The question is when does one get the Holy Spirit. There is nothing that says Paul immediately was indwelt by the Holy Spirit. That is your imposing your theology on the passages in question rather than drawing proper conclusion from them. You have no verse that says we can give ourselves the holy spirit the instant we start believing.

Salvation or regeneration and the indwelling HS does not come with the laying on of hands.

You don't mind if I don't take your handwaving for Gospel do you. Scripture says otherwise. But you will not acknowledge it. Paul laid hands on those in Acts 19 and they got it. Ananias laid hands on Paul and he was given the Holy Spirit in Acts 9. Simon wanted Peter to lay hands on him but Peter would not because of his intention.

They come by believing in the heart that Jesus was raised from the dead, and by confessing with the mouth that Jesus is Lord.

These are of course a part of it so you are creating a false dichotomy.

Paul did this on the road. Therefore, he was born again at that time.

Says you.

The question was asked, "Did he have to recieve it twice?" Yes, indeed, Paul did receive the Holy Spirit twice, but for different purposes. First he received the indwelling HS for regeneration. Later, he received the baptism with the HS, when hands were laid on him.

I thought you said that laying on of hands does not confer the holy spirit. I do believe in a strengthening of the Holy Spirit so I am not completely disagreeing with you. But one cannot give himself the Holy Spirit by believing. The Holy Spirit is conferred on the believer by the Church. I believe the discussion so far shows that. Paul was not indwelt by the Holy Spirit until it was given to him. In Acts 2:38 Peter preaches the Gospel to the Jews and they say "what must we do" and he tells them repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of sins and you SHALL recieve the Holy Spirit"!. Why doen't he say you already have the Holy Spirit. Their question implies belief already.

We see this principle clearly in the question Paul asked the Ephesisans: "Have you received the Holy Spirit since you believed? He then finds out that they are not even born again - so he preaches Jesus to them, to get them born again. Once they are truly born again, then they are baptized in water. Finally, after salvation and water baptism, Paul lays hands on them, and they receive the "baptism with the HS." This is a second work of the HS, for a totally different purpose: the anointing to minister. There is the HS within, and we call that salvation or regeneration or the born again experience. Then there is the Holy Spirit upon, and Luke called that the baptism with the HS. The Holy Spirit Himself performs the indwelling and regeneration, while it is Jesus that performs the baptism with the HS: two separate works of the HS for two separate purposes.

Partially correct. Baptism does confer the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38 was quoted above. Peter in his leters says "baptism now saves you" for it washes away our sins giving us a clean conscience and a new life in the spirit.

 

[mutzrein]

What is required to receive the Holy Spirit?

Some of you believe that just belief is neccessary.

John.7
[39] Now this he said about the Spirit, which those who believed in him were to receive; for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
Acts.19
[2] And he said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said, "No, we have never even heard that there is a Holy Spirit."

This passage in Acts 19 was after Christ had been glorified, yet they apparently had not received the Holy Spirit even though they believed in Christ. So it seems that while belief is necessary there is more. In context this passage and the one in Acts 10 where the Holy Spirit came to cornelius and company seem to indicate that someone from the Church has to be present.

What is required to be born again? Jesus said to Nicodemus “that which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.â€Â

1st requirement – The will of God (as opposed to a process of mental assent)
2nd requirement – you gotta be born of the flesh / water (from your mothers womb)

Regards