Revelation 17 Harlot

[Cornelius]

I will answer tomorrow, I have guests tonight

If you want to, you can please clarify how you see Satan as the Beast. In your understanding how will he manifest as the beast?

 

[researcher]

Rev. 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.......


The beast spoken of here is the same beast mentioned in Revelation 13:11......It is not a city or a church nor a group,,,the beast in Revelation 17:11 is satan........

Do you know why this beast is going into perdition????????? Becasue this beast is the son of perdition.......Lets read about him....

II Thessalonians 2:1 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,"

II Thessalonians 2:2 "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is [the Lord is just] at hand."

II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come [it will not be], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

Satan is of the seven because he has lways behind behind the scenes,,,pulling the strings,,,,of all the kingdoms but he is the eight and you can read all about satan as the eight beast in Revelation 13:11.......

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Judas was a son of perdition. Or the son of perdition. Of course, Satan was inside of him, lol.

Joh 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Luk 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

Joh 13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.

Who was Jesus talking to in 13:27? Judas, or Satan? lol.

But going back to the first chapter, Paul is saying...

2Th 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:2 Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th 1:3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth;
2Th 1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
2Th 1:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
2Th 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

The Jews were the ones troubling the Christians, all through the NT. He was talking about the coming destruction of Jerusalem, and the Jews who were in it. I.e., God's wrath on the Jews (Luk 21:23, Mat 3:7, Luk 3:7, Rev 14:19 & 20). The son of perdition would be whoever Satan entered into, and who went into the temple in Jerusalem... before or after it was destroyed. lol

 

[(THE)]

Rev. 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.......


The beast spoken of here is the same beast mentioned in Revelation 13:11......It is not a city or a church nor a group,,,the beast in Revelation 17:11 is satan........

Do you know why this beast is going into perdition????????? Becasue this beast is the son of perdition.......Lets read about him....

II Thessalonians 2:1 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,"

II Thessalonians 2:2 "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is [the Lord is just] at hand."

II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come [it will not be], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

Satan is of the seven because he has lways behind behind the scenes,,,pulling the strings,,,,of all the kingdoms but he is the eight and you can read all about satan as the eight beast in Revelation 13:11.......

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Judas was a son of perdition. Or the son of perdition. Of course, Satan was inside of him, lol.

Joh 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Luk 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

Joh 13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.

Who was Jesus talking to in 13:27? Judas, or Satan? lol.

But going back to the first chapter, Paul is saying...

2Th 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:2 Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th 1:3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth;
2Th 1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
2Th 1:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
2Th 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

The Jews were the ones troubling the Christians, all through the NT. He was talking about the coming destruction of Jerusalem, and the Jews who were in it. I.e., God's wrath on the Jews (Luk 21:23, Mat 3:7, Luk 3:7, Rev 14:19 & 20). The son of perdition would be whoever Satan entered into, and who went into the temple in Jerusalem... before or after it was destroyed. lol

I dont think so lets look at the verse again

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

This can in no way be Judas.........

Judas,,,never oppossed God,,,Judas helped fulfil a prohect that was written long ago......

Judas,,,never exalted himself above all that is God.....

Judas,,,, never sat in a temple claiming to be God...........

The son of perdition would be whoever Satan entered into,

If this were true it would mean Peter was son of perdition,,,behold

Matthew 16:23
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men......I think this pretty much kills the idea that the son of perdition is whomever satan goes into

 

[researcher]

Not saying Judas is the same one. But, he was one. ;)

A better question is, did God recompense the people that were persecuting the Christians in Thessaloníki like Paul said he would. Cuz, those people are all dead now. So, surely they got recompensed like Paul said... No?

 

[Geo]

We must look for the ten kings !

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns that thou sawest are ten kings, who have received no kingdom as yet; but they receive authority as kings, with the beast, for one hour.

So these have no kingdom, but they have authority as kings (rulers)

Can we find such a thing today? Yes we can.

LOL this took me some searching to find but here it is :

The Executive Cabinet shall be composed of from twenty to thirty members, with at least one member from each of the ten World Electoral and Administrative Magna Regions of the world.

You must please read the rest for yourself and see that they are at this moment gathering speed. The have divided the world into TEN Magna Regions and those regions will each be ruled by a one ruler ("king") He or she, would not "have received the kingdom" (as Revelation teaches) because they are just chosen rulers , who does not "own" the "kingdom" as such.

Here is the whole Charter of the "Federation of Earth"
http://www.wcpa.biz/english/constitutio ... 9_sectionc

Thanks ! great source and link. Just the map you mentioned isn't correct, i.e. not the latest.

Mexico is in the group with US and Canada now. Just have a look how the EU site has the 10 regions nicely detailed here http://ec.europa.eu/world/where/index_en.htm#1

 

[Cornelius]

Thanks that is interesting. I find it interesting that both the EU and the Federation of Earth have both divided the planet into 10 section which then both will link and confirm with the ten horns of the dragon.

 

[(THE)]

I will answer tomorrow, I have guests tonight

If you want to, you can please clarify how you see Satan as the Beast. In your understanding how will he manifest as the beast?

I would simply say ,,,read revelation 13:11 and on........BUt lets look at the very first verse....

11And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

SATAN SATAN SATAN.......Its so freaking obvious......There reason this beast (satan) has 2 horns like a Lamb,,,,is because Jesus Christ is the Lamb.........

He spoke as a dragon because he is the dragon.....Rev 12 Rev 20.......

This beast (satan) will come up looking like Jesus Christ,,,,he will say he is Jesus Christ,,,,,He will speak peace and stop wars,,,,,He will make miracles like Christ,,,,,but he is the dragon......

 

[Cornelius]

I am sorry to "copy and paste but its far too complicated to rewrite correctly LOL

In Rev 13:11 we see the head of the false prophet with "two horns like unto a lamb, and he spake (see also 13:5) as a dragon" (beast). In verse 15 we see the body (harlot) of the false prophet. "And it was given to her to give spirit to the image of the beast." Bible numerics shows a perfect pattern for "her" in the ancient manuscripts and in the most accurate new testament, the Numeric English New Testament by Ivan Panin. There is no pattern in "he" or "it". Numerics show beyond a shadow of a doubt which manuscript is right and where. Let me show another way. In 1 K 18, Ahab represents the beast with ten horns, for he ruled over the apostate ten tribes, who worshiped the image of the beast (the golden calf). Ahab's wife Jezebel (compare Rev 17:1-3 for relationship) is a clear type of the harlot (Rev 2:20) for she was guilty of the blood of the prophets and of the saints (1 K 18:4)(ZK 9:7)(Rev 18:24). In Rev 17:16 when the Beast is through using the harlot he devours her, and so it is with Jezebel (1 K 21:23). The true ministers of God are fed at the Churches table (1 Cor 9:13,14) and the false prophets (corporately the false prophet) are fed from Jezebel's table (1 K 18:19). The false prophets of Baal and the false prophets of the Asherah represent the two horns of the false prophet in Rev 13:11. Find out who Baal and Asherah represent in modern times and you will know who the corporate false prophet is. These two go back to the tower of Babel and were originally Nimrod (Gen 10:8-10) and his wife Semiramis. When Nimrod died and Semiramis became pregnant she claimed that Nimrod had become the Sun God (Baal) who then by virgin birth was reborn as her (The Virgin=Asherah) son, Tammuz (Son of God). Then of course the Babylonian worshiped the false Father, Son and Virgin about 2,300 years before the true Virgin birth. Semiramis probably knew of the prophecy in Gen 3:15 concerning the virgin birth. At the dispersion at Babel this legend went throughout the World and these three were given different names in different cultures, many of which are in the Bible. The golden calf in Egypt was a symbol of the Father (Baal) in the Son. Pharaoh's title meant Great Temple of the Sun God. Sun images all over the world and in Catholic and Eastern Churches symbolize the false Son. As we saw in the previous chapter the Israelites with their golden calf thought they were worshiping "YHWH" or "Elohim", the true God, but it was Baal, another Jesus. One horn the 450 prophets of Baal represent those who teach another Jesus. This is the apostate protestant minister. The other horn is the 400 prophets of the Asherah or those who worship the virgin. This is the Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox, and many others that are into Mariolatry. Mary is my sister and I love her but she is not the mother of God. Rom 1:3 says she is the mother of Jesus' flesh which is "Son of Man". His spiritual man was "Son of God" (Verse 4) and born of God. John 3:6 says "that which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." Some would say the two horns are the apostate leaders of the Christian religion and the leaders of false religions. To this I agree and in the chapter on "The Harlot and the Beast" I will address the subject of larger and smaller types. The false prophet has always been the head of the harlot and she sitteth (present tense) on 5 world empires that are fallen (but still present) that were never Christian (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Media Persia, and Greece). The corporate leadership of all false religion Christian (so called) or otherwise is the false prophet.

http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.org/?page=false

 

[veteran]

Not saying Judas is the same one. But, he was one. ;)

A better question is, did God recompense the people that were persecuting the Christians in Thessaloníki like Paul said he would. Cuz, those people are all dead now. So, surely they got recompensed like Paul said... No?

Here's an important connection about why our Lord called Judas 'son of perdition'...

John 6:70-71
70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray Him, being one of the twelve.
(KJV)

Our Lord called Judas "a devil". But is Judas literally the devil? No. That shows the "son of perdition" title is actually about the devil. Moreover, has Judas been judged and sentenced yet by Christ? No, for the judgment is not yet. But the devil and his angels have already been judged and sentenced to perish, and thus another reason why the "son of perdition" title belongs to Satan. Also, Judas had long since been dead when Paul wrote his epistles to the Thessalonians. And one more thing, one of Satan's names is given in Rev.9 as "Apollyon", the same Greek word from which comes that word 'perdition' in 2 Thess.2.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Revelation 13:2
[ The Beast out of the Sea ] And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.

Revelation 17:3
Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns.
All over the hills of Rome were Pagan temples, with even some of the hills named after Pagan gods. I do not know of any hills / mountains in Israel named after pagan gods.

 

[Benoni]

The beast is our carnal earthy nature.
The women is the religous systems of man.

 

[JudaicChristian]

The beast is our carnal earthy nature.
The women is the religous systems of man.

Scripture says that the "beasts" are nations. The harlot is Rome.

 

[Benoni]

The Book of Revelation is not for literal interpretation or partially literal interpretation; John was in SPIRIT on the Lord’s day; there is nothing literal about the most spiritual book in the whole Bible.

Yes the Bible proclaims “to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass†inwardly, not outwardly prophetic, spiritually not carnally.

And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks, and in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks one like unto the Son of man" (Rev. 1:12-13).

The message is not out there, not from Christ in some far-off heaven somewhere, not from an angel from heaven, not from Christ outside of us.

The message is within.

The voice of the Son of God is the voice in the churches, within those in the churches who are walking in the Spirit and seeing and hearing by the Spirit.

It’s among us! It’s in our midst!

The kingdom of God is within you!

The Spirit of the Son is within you! God dwelleth in you!

The Holy Ghost is within you!

The word of Christ dwelleth richly in you!

The anointing abideth within you!

The voice of the Son of God is heard from within!

Oh! God unveil our minds, unveil your word, unveil your great and eternal purpose, unveil yourself, unveil your glory, unveil the mysteries of your kingdom.

 

[Benoni]

What are nations? people

What is Rome? religion.

This is an inward message nothing literal.

The sea is not a real literal sea.

John was in spirit on the Lord’s Day, no where does it say He was literal or partial prophetic on the Lords day. It say he was in spirit, and seeing the Book of Revelation is a spiritual Book about the revelation or the unveiling of Jesus Christ; this revelation must be within us because is that not where God’s spirit dwells.

Second point: Notice the first verse of the book. Should I believe man’s religion who has totally missed or ignored this point or God’s Word? God Holy Spirit is the only source of truth according to God’ Word; that spirit is with in me and you; you follow traditions of men just like the Jews; or follow that divine part of God that will lead and guide you into all truth.

Revelations 1:1

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John

This one little word is so reverent to the whole book Revelations; ‘signified” or signs and symbols. The Book Revelations can only be understood not as a book of prophecy, or literally; but as a very deep and awesome spiritual book by using signs and symbols that can only be found in the Bible. I apologize for the size of my answer to your question.

The beast is our carnal earthy nature.
The women is the religous systems of man.

Scripture says that the "beasts" are nations. The harlot is Rome.

 

[veteran]

The Book of Revelation is not for literal interpretation or partially literal interpretation; John was in SPIRIT on the Lord’s day; there is nothing literal about the most spiritual book in the whole Bible.

What is meant by the way you use that word "spiritual"? I assume you actually mean the word philosophical, because literal things in God's creation can be both literal and spiritual at the same time.

And if the Book of Revelation is merely a philosophical work, and not containing literal Truth, then so is the rest of God's Word, and your faith would be in vain? You do believe the witness of Christ's Apostles that Jesus Christ came in the flesh and died on the cross don't you?

 

[Benoni]

Wow what a sad and pathetic way of seeing spiritual. You see that which is spiritual is founded on the letter, but the letter killeth. What a strong word to say about God’s Word “killethâ€.

I sorry you are so offened how God's Word not my opinion declares "John was in spirit on the Lord's day", and obviously all that matters is your natural/literal opinion. You seem offended that Revelation is spiritual? I did not write these Word, I am but pointing them out to you who for some religious reason you reject what is written in God's Word.

I heard a Baptist say on the radio one day “that when you see something in scriptures that is so awesome and so impossible and only a few can see it. That is spiritual. Narrow is that gate that leads to life and few will find it. (Matt. 7:14)

There is a simple order that God has established relative to the progression of Truth and to the creation itself, and it is this: "Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual." (1Cor. 15:46).

This principle is evident everywhere in the Scriptures. First the old creation, then the New. First darkness, then light. First a garden in Eden and the tree of life, then the Garden of God and the real Tree of Life. First Adam, then the Last Adam. First the Passover, then the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world. First Law, and then Grace.

And when Christ died on the Cross, and the veil of the temple was rent in twain--that was the end of the Law, but it was also the beginning of Grace. God always "taketh away the first, that he may establish the second." (Heb. 10:9).

The Book of Revelation is not for literal interpretation or partially literal interpretation; John was in SPIRIT on the Lord’s day; there is nothing literal about the most spiritual book in the whole Bible.

What is meant by the way you use that word "spiritual"? I assume you actually mean the word philosophical, because literal things in God's creation can be both literal and spiritual at the same time.

And if the Book of Revelation is merely a philosophical work, and not containing literal Truth, then so is the rest of God's Word, and your faith would be in vain? You do believe the witness of Christ's Apostles that Jesus Christ came in the flesh and died on the cross don't you?

 

[veteran]

Wow what a sad and pathetic way of seeing spiritual. You see that which is spiritual is founded on the letter, but the letter killeth. What a strong word to say about God’s Word “killethâ€.

I sorry you are so offened how God's Word not my opinion declares "John was in spirit on the Lord's day", and obviously all that matters is your natural/literal opinion. You seem offended that Revelation is spiritual? I did not write these Word, I am but pointing them out to you who for some religious reason you reject what is written in God's Word.

There's a MAJOR difference between how you've used the word "spiritual" about the Book of Revelation and how God's Word uses the idea. The word 'literal' does not always mean something that is flesh. Maybe you should look that word up in a Webster's. God is a Spirit we are told, yet God 'literally' exists. What does that mean? It's using the word 'literal' in the sense of REALITY of existence. For GOD is REAL, and not a figure of the imagination as a materialist would have us think.

Likewise in our Lord's Book of Revelation, He gave there LITERAL events that will happen in REALITY, and He gave symbols and metaphors in a spiritual sense to describe those literal events that will happen AS WRITTEN.

But to say Revelation is "spiritual" only is an entirely different horse of another color. It is to say that NONE of the events in Revelation are to happen in REALITY, and to look at all of it as being a hidden mystical work that is pointing to something else entirely. THAT kind of thinking is NOT FROM GOD. Instead, it is the vain attempt of applying man's doctrines of MYSTICISM to The Bible. That is the same as treating God's Word as some philosophical trestise instead of as REALITY.

And because of your treating Revelation in that 'spiritual' sense, according to principles of mysticism, it means YOU are the one who is rejecting the Scriptures. Mysticism is confusion.

 

[Benoni]

Why should I or would I used Webster’s Dictionary which is a work of man, when I can use God’s Word which is divine to understand and perceive that which is divine or spiritual.

Yes God literally exist, but He is still spiritual. You do not literal see God. You see Him by your spiritual eyes which have nothing natural eyes. I do not see God the way Moses saw God on the mountain top, or the way Adam saw God in the cool (spirit) of the day. I see God with my spiritual eyes.

In fact the word “see†in the Greek means: wide-open eyes, as at something remarkable

NT:3700

optanomai (op-tan'-om-ahee); a (middle voice) prolonged form of the primary (middle voice) optomai (op'-tom-ahee); which is used for it in certain tenses; and both as alternate of NT:3708; to gaze (i.e. with wide-open eyes, as at something remarkable; and thus differing from NT:991, which denotes simply voluntary observation; and from NT:1492, which expresses merely mechanical, passive or casual vision; while NT:2300, and still more emphatically its intensive NT:2334, signifies an earnest but more continued inspection; and NT:4648 a watching from a distance):


Yes he gave us literal revelation, but not so we can bring the most spiritual book down to our religious carnal interpretation, but so we would seek ask and knock for His deeper spiritual understanding. The spiritual is real, the literal, the temporal, the natural is not real.

Sure it is real in a human carnal even a religious sense, but God’s Word is not literal it is spiritual for those who have ears to hear. Not those who hear in a plural sense from a system of man, but those who hear singular from a spiritual understanding.

There is nothing natural about the word mystery when it comes from God’s Word, the word mystery is written 27 times in the NT and mean “sacred secretâ€, now that is spiritual and have nothing to do with man’s interpretation.

So if you are confused with the word mystery then it is you who is rejecting scripture. I love deep spiritual mysteries,

It is not my opinion that The Book of revelation is spiritual only, it was God's Word that declares this. So if you have an opinion other then this chapter and verse please?

Prov 25:2
It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.


Revelation 2:17
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it.

Wow what a sad and pathetic way of seeing spiritual. You see that which is spiritual is founded on the letter, but the letter killeth. What a strong word to say about God’s Word “killethâ€.

I sorry you are so offened how God's Word not my opinion declares "John was in spirit on the Lord's day", and obviously all that matters is your natural/literal opinion. You seem offended that Revelation is spiritual? I did not write these Word, I am but pointing them out to you who for some religious reason you reject what is written in God's Word.

There's a MAJOR difference between how you've used the word "spiritual" about the Book of Revelation and how God's Word uses the idea. The word 'literal' does not always mean something that is flesh. Maybe you should look that word up in a Webster's. God is a Spirit we are told, yet God 'literally' exists. What does that mean? It's using the word 'literal' in the sense of REALITY of existence. For GOD is REAL, and not a figure of the imagination as a materialist would have us think.

Likewise in our Lord's Book of Revelation, He gave there LITERAL events that will happen in REALITY, and He gave symbols and metaphors in a spiritual sense to describe those literal events that will happen AS WRITTEN.

But to say Revelation is "spiritual" only is an entirely different horse of another color. It is to say that NONE of the events in Revelation are to happen in REALITY, and to look at all of it as being a hidden mystical work that is pointing to something else entirely. THAT kind of thinking is NOT FROM GOD. Instead, it is the vain attempt of applying man's doctrines of MYSTICISM to The Bible. That is the same as treating God's Word as some philosophical trestise instead of as REALITY.

And because of your treating Revelation in that 'spiritual' sense, according to principles of mysticism, it means YOU are the one who is rejecting the Scriptures. Mysticism is confusion.

 

[Benoni]

Matthew 13
13:13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.

13:14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive;

13:15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.'

13:16 "But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear;

 

[veteran]

Yes God literally exist, but He is still spiritual. You do not literal see God. You see Him by your spiritual eyes which have nothing natural eyes. I do not see God the way Moses saw God on the mountain top, or the way Adam saw God in the cool (spirit) of the day. I see God with my spiritual eyes.

Yes he gave us literal revelation, but not so we can bring the most spiritual book down to our religious carnal interpretation, but so we would seek ask and knock for His deeper spiritual understanding. The spiritual is real, the literal, the temporal, the natural is not real.

You're simply not paying attention to how you use that word 'literal'. God's creation is just as 'literal' as He is, both exist in Reality, and both will continue to exist, everlasting. Or haven't you understood about the new heavens and a new earth He is going to work for His Eternity?

Sure it is real in a human carnal even a religious sense, but God’s Word is not literal it is spiritual for those who have ears to hear. Not those who hear in a plural sense from a system of man, but those who hear singular from a spiritual understanding.

If you had "eyes to see, and ears to hear", you would know better than to say Christ's Book of Revelation is all 'spiritual' and not literal.

There is nothing natural about the word mystery when it comes from God’s Word, the word mystery is written 27 times in the NT and mean “sacred secretâ€, now that is spiritual and have nothing to do with man’s interpretation.

God has His Mysteries of the Kingdom which He shows His servants who remain in Him, and then the devil has his own copy of 'mysteries' which were taught by the ancient pagan priests of occultism out of which came the various systems of occult 'mysticism' and ceremonial initiation. Only one initiated into the 'mysteries' was given its secrets by oral tradition. By the way, the word 'occult' means 'hidden'.

So if you are confused with the word mystery then it is you who is rejecting scripture. I love deep spiritual mysteries,

I'm not confused at all by the word 'mystery'. I know exactly what it means, and also HOW the devil uses it for his occult mysticism schools among the secret societies, which originated from the ancient mystery schools of Babylon, Egypt, Greece, etc. That's where training to turn literal Truths in God's Word into spiritual meanings comes from. That's how Satan's brand of mysteries work.

It is not my opinion that The Book of revelation is spiritual only, it was God's Word that declares this. So if you have an opinion other then this chapter and verse please?

Prov 25:2
It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

How one goes about searching out a thing matters. How did Christ's Apostles receive the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven like our Lord Jesus said? Through oral traditions of men within occult mystery schools and the practice of mysticism, or by Divine revelation through The Holy Spirit? You don't have to become a mystery school initiate to receive understanding in God's mysteries of His kingdom. Nor can you go through man to get that.

Revelation 2:17
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it.

What? Are we to believe our Lord literally meant the hidden estoric knowledge of occult arcana you seem to be pointing to? Is that "white stone" about some mysterious ancient mystery school teaching that only the initiated can know? That kind of thinking and working is not of God. That's how the pagan priests of old held control over the masses, treating God's Truth as some hidden mystery that only THEY could impart knowledge of. In doing that, they created all sorts of addition philosophical and hidden meanings on top of it, which is what the leaven of the scribes and Pharisees was even about. That's confusion, and it's not from God. Instead, God gives understanding that makes things simple to understand, removes the mysteriousness out of it. Satan's workers compound the mysterious instead.