Revelation 17 Harlot

[JudaicChristian]

The seven hills of Rome is a LESSER type. It means that there is still a bigger "seven hills" that it points too as well.

Mountains and hills in the Bible speaks of kingdoms . The Mountain of God points to His Kingdom and other mountains and hills speak of of kings or rulers.

The seven KINGS on which the Harlot sits, means she is ruling the seed (all the people at this moment) that came from all the ancient kingdoms.

What I do not understand, is how people can think they are just hills, when the Bible clearly say they are kings? Can anybody explain?

Rev 17:9 Here is the mind that hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth:
Rev 17:10 and they are seven kings;


LOL, I mean it says so right here and yet people say it is not so.

Revelation 17:9
"This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits.
Rome has been known as the city of the 7 hills for more than 2000 years. Rev 17:10. (They / Their) (are / will be) also seven kings. Always be watchful of translation problems.

 

[JudaicChristian]

The Caesars

#1 Julius, #2 Augustus, #3 Tiberius, #4 Caligula, #5 Claudius, #6 Nero, #7 Galba, #8 Otho. Vitellius was the first to add Cognomen Germanicus to his name instead of Caesar upon his accession; the latter name Caesar had fallen into disrepute because of the actions of Nero. Vespasian, Titus and Domitian were actually a separate dynasty called the Flavians.
Between June 68 and December 69, Rome witnessed a successive rise and fall of Galba, Otho, and Vitellius, until the accession of Vespasian, the first ruler of the Flavian dynasty.
Revelation 17:10. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. 11 The beast (nation) who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

 

[Cornelius]

The seven hills of Rome is a LESSER type. It means that there is still a bigger "seven hills" that it points too as well.

Mountains and hills in the Bible speaks of kingdoms . The Mountain of God points to His Kingdom and other mountains and hills speak of of kings or rulers.

The seven KINGS on which the Harlot sits, means she is ruling the seed (all the people at this moment) that came from all the ancient kingdoms.

What I do not understand, is how people can think they are just hills, when the Bible clearly say they are kings? Can anybody explain?

Rev 17:9 Here is the mind that hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth:
Rev 17:10 and they are seven kings;


LOL, I mean it says so right here and yet people say it is not so.

Revelation 17:9
"This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits.
Rome has been known as the city of the 7 hills for more than 2000 years. Rev 17:10. (They / Their) (are / will be) also seven kings. Always be watchful of translation problems.

Yes I am. But what you are doing is adding to it an opinion. Look at the Numeric pattern and see that the ASV translation is 100% correct. The seven hills are seven kings .

 

[JudaicChristian]

The seven hills of Rome is a LESSER type. It means that there is still a bigger "seven hills" that it points too as well.

Mountains and hills in the Bible speaks of kingdoms . The Mountain of God points to His Kingdom and other mountains and hills speak of of kings or rulers.

The seven KINGS on which the Harlot sits, means she is ruling the seed (all the people at this moment) that came from all the ancient kingdoms.

What I do not understand, is how people can think they are just hills, when the Bible clearly say they are kings? Can anybody explain?

Rev 17:9 Here is the mind that hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth:
Rev 17:10 and they are seven kings;


LOL, I mean it says so right here and yet people say it is not so.

Revelation 17:9
"This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits.
Rome has been known as the city of the 7 hills for more than 2000 years. Rev 17:10. (They / Their) (are / will be) also seven kings. Always be watchful of translation problems.

Yes I am. But what you are doing is adding to it an opinion. Look at the Numeric pattern and see that the ASV translation is 100% correct. The seven hills are seven kings .

Actually there are eight kings altogether. I checked my books and the ASV is not correct, the word is "heads" not "kings." The 7 [hills / mountains] had pagan temples upon them, and those mountains were named after those Pagan gods. Thus, the names of blasphemy.

 

[Cornelius]

I am talking about the Numeric New Testament, which is 100% correct in translation. If you cannot find one, then the ASV is the closest thing to it. I realize that you might not be familiar with it, so if you Google "Ivan Panin" it might shed some more light on the subject, without me explaining it here again.

C

 

[JudaicChristian]

I am talking about the Numeric New Testament, which is 100% correct in translation. If you cannot find one, then the ASV is the closest thing to it. I realize that you might not be familiar with it, so if you Google "Ivan Panin" it might shed some more light on the subject, without me explaining it here again.

C

I am aware of numeric patterns, but it can lead also to vain imaginings in numerology also. Your claim is doubtful, and you have not given any examples.

 

[interpreter]

The great whore is Moscow which sits on 7 hills and many waters (5 seas)

 

[(THE)]

Those caps dont mean shouting LOL ,,,,OMG just means Oh My God.....

I read alot of your post C,,,,I havent seen as many post of yours lately though....

Its really easy to figure out if were in agreement,,,I'l make it simple bro....

The beast in Revelation 13:1,,,is a political system controlled by the "sons of Cain" (Leapord)

The beast in Revelation 13:11 is satan.......

The beast in Revelation 17 is both........

Yes I agree

When I spoke of the Roman empire,I also mean the political system. "Follow the eagle" ! The eagle goes where the spirit of the Roman empire goes. It is simply a way of saying "all nations and tongues". Very much like we see in the USA today, where you get people from all nations living under yet again .....an Eagle ! I believe that we will see the US soon in a strong world leadership position, which is what Rome did too. I believe that this is what this verse means when it speaks of "was" and "is not" and "is"

Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was(Ancient Rome), and is not;(No longer a world empire) and is about to come (Same world-ruling political system spirit) up out of the abyss,(definitely a spirit that controls the whole political system outside Christ ) and to go into perdition.

Am I making better sense ?

YEaaa I get ya,,,,Really glad to see someone else incorporating the "eagle" with there studys.... :yes

 

[Cornelius]

I am talking about the Numeric New Testament, which is 100% correct in translation. If you cannot find one, then the ASV is the closest thing to it. I realize that you might not be familiar with it, so if you Google "Ivan Panin" it might shed some more light on the subject, without me explaining it here again.

C

I am aware of numeric patterns, but it can lead also to vain imaginings in numerology also. Your claim is doubtful, and you have not given any examples.

I must correct you, because it is not the Bible Code that I am talking about. It is mathematics.Pure science. Every Hebrew and every Greek letter has a numeric value. When you substitute the letters for numbers, you get a mathematical pattern. Only God can do this as a constant through the Bible.

Please Google this, if you want to understand more or read these links:

http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.or ... whollyholy

http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.or ... umericskjv

You can get a Numeric New Testament here :

http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.or ... cmaterials

 

[Cornelius]

YEaaa I get ya,,,,Really glad to see someone else incorporating the "eagle" with there studys.... :yes

God tells us that history repeats (Eccl 1:9 ) so its easy to look back, if we want to look forward

Babylon the great eagle ........... Eze.38:20 …......... To Babylon, the great eagle, God said, “Behold, the day of Jehovah cometh, cruel, with wrath and fierce anger;

Next we see that eagle in the Roman Empire (also a world empire) and then we see the eagle with Hitler. What was Hitlers dream ? A world empire ! And we see it again in the US who will succeed in forming the last world empire in these times. The final Eagle !

 

[Cornelius]

The Roman Empire had a Senate, which was situated on Capitol Hill, and housed in a domed building. The looked at Caesar as a god.

In the Capitol Rotunda we have a painting of G Washington named Apotheosis Of Washington

Here is a definition of the word Apotheosis:
Apotheosis Meaning and Definition

1. (n. pl.) The act of elevating a mortal to the rank of, and placing him among, "the gods;" deification.
2. (n. pl.) Glorification; exaltation.

 

[Cornelius]

Rome has a river called Tiber :

Tiber Creek or Tyber Creek was a tributary of the Potomac River in Washington, D.C.

Originally known as Goose Creek, it was renamed after Rome's Tiber River as the lands southeast of then Georgetown, Maryland, were selected for the City of Washington, the new capital of the United States.[1] It flowed south toward the base of Capitol Hill, then west meeting the Potomac near Jefferson Pier.

Using the original Tiber Creek for commercial purposes was part of Pierre (Peter) Charles L'Enfant's 1791 "Plan of the city intended for the permanent seat of the government of the United States . . .".[2] The idea was that the creek could be widened and channeled into a canal to the Potomac. And so by 1815 part of it became a portion of the Washington City Canal, running along what is now Constitution Avenue.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiber_Creek

 

[Cornelius]

The Apotheosis of Washington (Very large picture)

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/fo ... ead=156079

Description
War in The Apotheosis of Washington.jpg War
Freedom, also known as Columbia, is directly below Washington in the personification of War. The scene depicts a woman fighting for liberty with a raised sword, a cape, and a helmet and shield (in the colors of the American flag) trampling figures representing Tyranny and Kingly Power. To Freedom's left assisting her is a fierce bald eagle (the bald eagle is the national bird of the United States) carrying arrows and a thunderbolt (reminiscent of the arrows carried by the eagle in the Great Seal of the United States).

Science
[u]Minerva, the Roman goddess of crafts and wisdom, [/u]is portrayed with helmet and spear pointing to an electrical generator creating power stored in batteries next to a printing press, representing great American inventions. American scientists and inventors Benjamin Franklin, Samuel F. B. Morse, and Robert Fulton watch. In the left part of the scene a teacher demonstrates the use of dividers.

Marine
This scene shows Neptune, the Roman sea-god, with trident and crown of seaweed riding in a shell chariot drawn by sea horses. Venus, goddess of love born from the sea, is depicted helping to lay the transatlantic telegraph cable which ran from America to the Telegraph Field in Ireland.[1] In the background is an ironclad warship with smokestacks.

Commerce
Mercury, the Roman god of commerce, with his winged petasos and sandals and a caduceus, is depicted giving a bag of gold to American Revolutionary War financier Robert Morris. To the left, men move a box on a dolly; on the right, the anchor and sailors lead into "Marine."
Mechanics
[b]Vulcan, the Roman god of fire and the forge,[/b] is depicted standing at an anvil with his foot on a cannon next to a pile of cannonballs. A steam engine is in the background. The man at the forge is thought to represent Charles Thomas, the supervisor of ironwork during the construction of the Capitol dome.


The Apotheosis of Washington depicts George Washington becoming a god (apotheosis). Washington, the first U.S. president and commander-in-chief of the Continental Army during the American Revolutionary War, is allegorically represented, surrounded by figures from classical mythology. Washington is draped in purple, a royal color, with a rainbow arch at his feet, flanked by the goddess Victory (draped in green, using a horn) to his left and the goddess Liberty to his right. Liberty wears a red cap, symbolizing emancipation, from a Roman tradition where sons leaving the home and/or slaves being emancipated would be given a red cap. She holds a fasces in her right hand and an open book in the other.

Forming a circle between Liberty and Victory are 13 maidens, each with a star above their heads, representing the original 13 colonies. Several of the maidens have their backs turned to Washington, said to represent the colonies that had seceded from the Union at the time of painting. Upside down above Washington is the banner E Pluribus Unum meaning out of many one.

Surrounding Washington, the two goddesses, and the 13 maidens are six scenes lining the perimeter, each representing a national concept allegorically: from directly below Washington in the center and moving clockwise, "War," "Science," "Marine," "Commerce," "Mechanics," and "Agriculture". The perimeter scenes are not fully visible from the floor of the Capitol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apothe ... Washington

 

[(THE)]

YEaaa I get ya,,,,Really glad to see someone else incorporating the "eagle" with there studys.... :yes

God tells us that history repeats (Eccl 1:9 ) so its easy to look back, if we want to look forward

Babylon the great eagle ........... Eze.38:20 …......... To Babylon, the great eagle, God said, “Behold, the day of Jehovah cometh, cruel, with wrath and fierce anger;

Next we see that eagle in the Roman Empire (also a world empire) and then we see the eagle with Hitler. What was Hitlers dream ? A world empire ! And we see it again in the US who will succeed in forming the last world empire in these times. The final Eagle !

Rev. 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

(1) Egypt, (2) Assyria, (3) Babylon, (4) Persia, (5) Greece, (6) Rome,,,,,was in power when John wrote this book of course,,,,,, and (7) ??????????????????????

YOu do realize that if the (7th) kingdom is the United states ,,,,that means the eight /kingdom is on its way...........

Rev. 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition......

So who is the eaight beast,??????/,,,,its the same beast form Rev 13:11 satan........

Which means satan is on his way..................

 

[Cornelius]

( 11) And the beast that was, and is not, is himself also an eighth, and is of the seven.

This means: This beast was ( it is one of the previously mentioned, we know its "Rome" ) and not it "is not" (Rome passes away) and it "is of the seven" : Meaning now it is made up of all the seven.

Its a riddle But once we see it, its clear.

It is saying: There were seven Beast kingdoms in history. And this Beast was one of them (the same demon spirit who ruled Rome, will rule this one now) Now we do not physically see that kingdom (it is not) but it is ......of the seven.......it is now (the last time round) made up of all of the previous kingdoms . This simple means that the generations (all humanity outside Christ ) who are the physical children , who are a result of these kingdoms (all humans ) are now forming the "body" of this last Beast.

Let look in reality now in our time: We see the 1) The eagle 2) USA is a nation where the seed of all the nations do in fact live together ! The USA is the united.......states ! (spiritually seen, this would indeed read : all the nations ! )

The USA will be the HEAD of this Beast.The actual Beast here will be the soon to be reformed United Nations. Why? Because the Bible tells us that there will be TEN Kings in the end:

Rev 12:3 And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon, (Satan) having seven heads (These are the seven nations we spoke about before, the seven previous beast kingdoms that form the 8th now ! ) and ten horns,(Horns are kings ) and upon his heads seven diadems.

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns that thou sawest are ten kings, who have received no kingdom as yet; but they receive authority as kings, with the beast, for one hour.

I will carry on in the next post......................

 

[Cornelius]

We must look for the ten kings !

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns that thou sawest are ten kings, who have received no kingdom as yet; but they receive authority as kings, with the beast, for one hour.

So these have no kingdom, but they have authority as kings (rulers)

Can we find such a thing today? Yes we can.

LOL this took me some searching to find but here it is :

The Executive Cabinet shall be composed of from twenty to thirty members, with at least one member from each of the ten World Electoral and Administrative Magna Regions of the world.

You must please read the rest for yourself and see that they are at this moment gathering speed. The have divided the world into TEN Magna Regions and those regions will each be ruled by a one ruler ("king") He or she, would not "have received the kingdom" (as Revelation teaches) because they are just chosen rulers , who does not "own" the "kingdom" as such.

Here is the whole Charter of the "Federation of Earth"
http://www.wcpa.biz/english/constitutio ... 9_sectionc

 

[Cornelius]

Here is a map of how they divided the world into TEN regions (ten horns)

http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.or ... ngcovenant

 

[JudaicChristian]

Daniel 2:32. The head of the statue was made of pure gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze, 33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of baked clay. 34 While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them. 35 Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were broken to pieces at the same time and became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summer. The wind swept them away without leaving a trace. But the rock that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth.

36 "This was the dream, and now we will interpret it to the king. 37 You, O king, are the king of kings. The God of heaven has given you dominion and power and might and glory; 38 in your hands he has placed mankind and the beasts of the field and the birds of the air. Wherever they live, he has made you ruler over them all. You are that head of gold.

39 "After you, another kingdom will rise, inferior to yours. Next, a third kingdom, one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth. 40 Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. 41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. 42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. 43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.

44 "In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. 45 This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces.
"The great God has shown the king what will take place in the future. The dream is true and the interpretation is trustworthy."
Revelation 17:12. "The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. Revelation 18:21.
Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said: "With such violence the great city of Babylon will be thrown down, never to be found again.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Revelation 8:1
[ The Seventh Seal and the Golden Censer ] When he opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. Revelation 17:12. "The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. If a day is like a thousand years, then a hour is 42 years, and a half an hour is 21 years.

 

[(THE)]

( 11) And the beast that was, and is not, is himself also an eighth, and is of the seven.

This means: This beast was ( it is one of the previously mentioned, we know its "Rome" ) and not it "is not" (Rome passes away) and it "is of the seven" : Meaning now it is made up of all the seven.

Its a riddle But once we see it, its clear.

It is saying: There were seven Beast kingdoms in history. And this Beast was one of them (the same demon spirit who ruled Rome, will rule this one now) Now we do not physically see that kingdom (it is not) but it is ......of the seven.......it is now (the last time round) made up of all of the previous kingdoms . This simple means that the generations (all humanity outside Christ ) who are the physical children , who are a result of these kingdoms (all humans ) are now forming the "body" of this last Beast.

Let look in reality now in our time: We see the 1) The eagle 2) USA is a nation where the seed of all the nations do in fact live together ! The USA is the united.......states ! (spiritually seen, this would indeed read : all the nations ! )

The USA will be the HEAD of this Beast.The actual Beast here will be the soon to be reformed United Nations. Why? Because the Bible tells us that there will be TEN Kings in the end:

Rev 12:3 And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon, (Satan) having seven heads (These are the seven nations we spoke about before, the seven previous beast kingdoms that form the 8th now ! ) and ten horns,(Horns are kings ) and upon his heads seven diadems.

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns that thou sawest are ten kings, who have received no kingdom as yet; but they receive authority as kings, with the beast, for one hour.

I will carry on in the next post......................

Rev. 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.......


The beast spoken of here is the same beast mentioned in Revelation 13:11......It is not a city or a church nor a group,,,the beast in Revelation 17:11 is satan........

Do you know why this beast is going into perdition????????? Becasue this beast is the son of perdition.......Lets read about him....

II Thessalonians 2:1 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,"

II Thessalonians 2:2 "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is [the Lord is just] at hand."

II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come [it will not be], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

Satan is of the seven because he has lways behind behind the scenes,,,pulling the strings,,,,of all the kingdoms but he is the eight and you can read all about satan as the eight beast in Revelation 13:11.......