Revelation 17 Harlot

[veteran]

Some say the "woman" refers to Rome and a pope. Other say the "woman" refers to deceived Christian Churches that fall away in the end times. But the last verse of Rev.17 reveals what that "woman" of Revelation 17 represents...

Rev 17:18
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
(KJV)

It's a CITY, a "great city". All the symbols given about that Revelation harlot must be compared with that idea of a "great city".

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Rev 17:1-15
1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

That city is called "the great whore", and the city "sitteth upon many waters". Our Lord explains the "waters" in verse 15 as "peoples and multitudes, and nations, and tongues." That's in parallel with the Rev.13:1 beast kingdom which comes up out of the "sea", and our Lord used the previous beast kingdoms of Daniel to point to that beast kingdom of Rev.13:1 which has ten horns, ten crowns, and seven heads. All that put together means "the great whore", which is a city, sits over that beast kingdom. It places this city as the ruling city over the entire beast kingdom.

2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

In this 2nd verse, that idea of committing fornication with the kings of the earth, and its inhabitants being made drunk is about false worship. Those descriptions were used about historical Babylon, historical Nineveh, historical Tyre, and even Jerusalem at times (Jer.51; Isaiah 23; Isaiah 47; Nahum 3; Ezekiel 16; Ezekiel 23). Apostle Paul referred to the idea of being 'drunken in the night' in 1 Thess.5, which is about the deceived who declare "Peace and safety" when sudden destruction comes upon them, on the future day of The Lord (Christ's coming "as a thief"). That reveals the pattern for this "woman" of Rev.17, which is "a great city".

3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

Scarlet is a deeper shade of red. It was used in the early tabernacle worship of Israel, and in Matt.27:28 our Lord's robe was described as being scarlet colored. Scarlet was the color of the thread used to mark the firstborn (Gen.38). It was the color or cord Rahab the harlot used to lower down from her window. In this verse it's linked with the idea of the previous verses about ruling over the beast (waters of verse 1). And remember, this woman is still about a city. The scarlet beast itself has ten horns, ten crowns, and seven heads.

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

She is decked in purple and scarlet, which are colors of royalty. The precious jewels and gold were also signs of high status and rule. Daniel was offered clothes of scarlet and a chain of gold for interpreting Nebuchadnezzar's dream. The golden cup is a symbol for sacred things, and high status like royalty. Nebuchadnezzar's grandson held a party with the vessels of gold Neb took out of the Jerusalem temple when he destroyed it. Here the cup of gold is used to show the whore's status, and by that impresses the nations she rules over, in false worship.

This "MYSTERY" in its deepest sense, points to the opposite of the 'mysteries of the kingdom of heaven' which our Lord Jesus said were given for His Apostles to know and understand (Matt.13). This MYSTERY is attached to the idea of "BABYLON THE GREAT", which Babylon was the historical origin of pagan religious worship on earth. Throughout pagan history, its priests formed a system of religious philosophy which caused the springing up of various 'mystery religions' of ancient Babylon, Egypt, Greece, Rome, etc. Some secret societies of mystical initiation still claim to inherit the ancient teachings of those 'mystery schools'. That's what the study of the occult is about. It's about a system of knowledge which wants to supplant God's mysteries of His kingdom. And per the history of the pagan mystery religions, it has created all sorts of abominations involving worship of the things of God's creation, worship of gods which are no gods, worship of idols made of metal, stone, and wood, the practice of withcraft and sorcery (using drugs), and even worship of the devil and his minions, including human sacrifices, of their own children. This "woman" is to be the ruling city setup in the end of days by those involved in that MYSTERY movement.

And she is to be a royal type city, which will involve a king. In Rev.18, she says this about herself...

Rev 18:7
7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, "I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow."
(KJV)

Sitting as "a queen" points to a royal relationship she's to have. And she says she's no widow, which means she is married. So who is the king she is wed to? This is pointing to the idea of the "woman" (a city) as a bride. In Rev.21 we are shown the Holy City, new Jerusalem coming down to earth out of Heaven "prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." Rev.21:9 -10 also reveals new Jerusalem as a bride, the Lamb's wife. This analogy goes back to what our Heavenly Father showed in Ezekiel 16 about His cleansing of old Jerusalem and then marrying her.

But this "woman" harlot city of Rev.17 is not the future new Jerusalem, meaning she is not married to The Lamb. Who most logically would be the opposite one she would be married to, and who wants to be her KING, and rule in place of Christ Jesus our True KING?

6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Which city was it that our Lord Jesus cried out about, which was guilty of the blood of the prophets He sent? It was Jerusalem, per Luke 13:34.

7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

The mystery is that of her title mentioned in Rev.17:5.

(Continued...)

 

[veteran]

(Continued)

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Who is the angel of the bottomless pit? Satan. He is this "beast" that was, and is not, and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit. We were to pay attention to what Rev.12:7-9 shows of his being cast down to this earth in person, along with his angels. Per Rev.11, he is here on earth during the 2nd woe period, which is linked with the 6th trumpet of Rev.9. None of what was given before this 17th chapter was to be forgotten. He 'was', because how did he originally rebel against God? He rebelled by setting up a beast kingdom of his very own, in the time of old, in coveting God's Throne. Never heard that first beast kingdom with Satan as king before? The whole pattern for the idea of the "beast" and his beast kingdom doesn't originate with the flesh kingdoms of history; it originates with what Satan did at his first rebellion in coveting God's Throne. This is why we're shown that beast kingdom of ten horns, seven crowns, and seven heads structure existing all the way back when he first rebelled, per Rev.12:3-4.

In Rev.12:3-4 we're given the time when Satan first rebelled against God, and drew one third of the angels (stars) along with him into rebellion. That time involved his setting up a beast kingdom that had only seven crowns, instead of the ten crowns which this final one on earth is to have. That's how he 'was', in that time of old. When God destroyed Satan's rebellion, his status as king during that time of old became "is not". The "yet is" is his given status of Rev.9, as Abaddon and Apollyon, king over the locust army. That army is waiting to be released upon this earth in the end of days. Their king (Satan) is coming to be over them. This is why his name Apollyon is tied to the idea of 'perdition' (to perish). It's because he has already been judged and sentenced by God to perish in the lake of fire.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

The beast kingdom Satan had in Rev.12:3-4 at his first rebellion also had "seven heads". So forget any of the later conventions that point to Rome, or New York, or Brussels, etc. The idea of seven heads point to encompassing the whole earth. What area on earth has God proclaimed to dwell forever? Jerusalem. So even in that time of old when Satan first rebelled in coveting God's Throne, what area on earth do you think Satan coveted? And if he is to come to setup a final attempt in the end of days, what area on earth today would he most want?

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

These kings represent kings that progressed through history, like Egypt, Tyre, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and then Rome. John says one still existed in his day. But the 7th was not yet, and when that 7th one comes, he's to continue only a short space. We are shown Satan after being cast down to the earth goes to make war with the saints, because he knows he has a short time (Rev.12:12).

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

This still is about an entity as this "beast", involving the idea of a false king. The beast that was, and is not, is about Satan as king. And he also is the eighth king yet to come. He is "of the seven", because the previous pagan beast kingdoms of history were patterns based on his original beast kingdom of old. And we know he is to go into perdition, perishing in the lake of fire (Rev.20). Did you know as of right now, ONLY Satan and his angels are ALREADY judged and sentenced to perish? It's important to remember that, because God's great white throne judgment has not taken place yet today. No one else has been judged to perish yet. This is how we know that's Satan our Lord is revealing here through His servant John.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for He is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with Him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

The ten horns represent ten kings, that's easy. But they don't receive power until that "beast" king arrives on the scene, and then they give their power to him. That war marks the timing of Rev.16 when those kings will be gathered for the Armageddon event, which is when Christ returns with His angels to fight.

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Covered this before. The "whore" sits in power over the whole earth, over all nations and peoples. That's the idea.

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil His will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

The ten kings will hate the "whore", and make her "desolate and naked", etc. Remember, the "woman" here, the "whore", is a "great city". So how is this meant upon a city? It's meant in causing the city to be shackled into a fallen state of false worship against God and His Son. The city is Jerusalem, and the enemies of God plan to use it against God, for Jerusalem is where He said He has chosen to dwell forever.

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
(KJV)

How does a "great city" reign over the kings of the earth? Well, how did the capital city of Jerusalem with a king rule over all the other cities of Israel? And Babylon of history with a head king, how did it rule over all the other lower kings in its kingdom? This is pointing to this "great city" being the head city of rule over the whole... earth.

 

[researcher]

6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Which city was it that our Lord Jesus cried out about, which was guilty of the blood of the prophets He sent? It was Jerusalem, per Luke 13:34.

Yes, obviously Jerusalem.

The city is Jerusalem, and the enemies of God plan to use it against God, for Jerusalem is where He said He has chosen to dwell forever.

Which one was he talking about?

Rev 21:2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.

If your car breaks down, and you send it to the wreckers to be demolished, then you get a new car, are you going to go back to your old car (that's been crushed) so you can drive it around some more?

Obviously, Jesus lives in, and will live in Jerusalem forever. I doubt if it's in the "old" "land based" Jerusalem. He's already living in the new one, which is the bride, i.e. people (Rev 21:9-10). :\

 

[samuel]

And this is the place where the Beast, will establish his kingdom.

Dan. 11: 45, And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Where else but Jerusalem. She has always played the Harlot with every one of the previous heads, and you know which one she is playing the Harlot with now, "Could it be"??. But I doubt it, the present power has all but fed her to the Lions.

I have known! who the Harlot was/is for some years now.

 

[klight]

the harlot who sits upon the seven hills, it is the papacy and the vatican city. it is refered to even today as a city on seven hills. she is the mother of all harlots. so who are her daughters? if she represents a church of false doctine, the papacy, then her daughters are those who also follow her doctrine; "and he will change God's times and laws". the papacy has deleted the 2nd commandment, changed the 4th, and made the 10th into 2. all the "christian" denominations who follow her doctrine of worshipping God on the 1st day of the week, sunday, instead of the saturday 7th day, are her daughters.

http://www.pacinst.com/nslaw/chapter3/antichrist.html

this link explains everything, and after reading GO BACK TO THE BIBLE and do your own research. it all comes together, yet we have been missing it! just like in the day of the Savior, the people had their own image of the Savior: he would come with weapons and an army to free them. so when he did come, even tho all the scriptures pointed right to him, they missed him because they were expecting something else. that is how it is today, we have our own image of the antichrist and everything else, yet it is being fulfilled and we are missing it!

 

[Vic C.]

I have gone back to my Bible and it is evident that "Jerusalem" is the answer. They are the only ones who fit the bill; they are the ones mentioned in the OT as being a harlot or whore; they are also responsible for the deaths of many a prophet and martyr. Plus, they too were know as a city surrounded by seven hills.

This is one area where I believe the Historicist is wrong.

There's just too much Biblical evidence to go out of the Bible for answers.

http://www.askelm.com/prophecy/p000201.htm

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[veteran]

Also, what area of the earth did God show Abraham that was to be his inheritance forever?

Gen 13:14-18
14 And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:
15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.
16 And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered.
17 Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it unto thee.
18 Then Abram removed his tent, and came and dwelt in the plain of Mamre, which is in Hebron, and built there an altar unto the LORD.
(KJV)

The idea of "for ever" in the Hebrew there means everlasting, literally forever eternally. That's the area of the earth we are to inherit with faithful Abraham. That area is the holy land, and that's where the new Jerusalem will come down to earth at. The Ezekiel 40-48 chapters establish that fact also.

In the Ezekiel 47-48 chapters is given specific land markers in the holy land where the new Jerusalem will eventually exist along with the inheritances of land for each of the 12 tribes of Israel. And the very last verse of Ezekiel 48 says the name of the city from that point forward will be, "The LORD is there". Even Ezek.47 shows where the River of the waters of life and the many trees bearing fruits that will never be consumed will be situated in that area. The Jerusalem of today which the beasts will takeover in the end of this world will be supplanted by the new Jerusalem coming down out of Heaven from God.

 

[klight]

The Catholic Church is generally thought of as the Mother Church. It makes this claim itself:

I acknowledge the Holy Catholic Apostolic Roman Church for the mother and mistress of all churches. — Art. 10, Creed of Pope Pius IV. Double Bull of Pope Pius IV, Nov. 13 and Dec. 9, 1564, trans. in Philip Schaff, The Creeds of Christendom, New York: Harper, 1919, Vol. 1, p. 99.

With this in mind, and with the knowledge that an immoral woman in Bible prophecy is the symbol of a false church, consider Revelation 17:1-6: “And there came one of the seven angels who had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying to me, Come hither; I will show you the judgment of the great whore that sits upon many waters.â€

You will remember that water represents humanity. “Many waters†in this verse, therefore, refers to the many nations over which this prostitute, the papacy, has influence. In other words this false church is worldwide, having its organization in every nation. Continuing with verse two: “With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.â€

Fornication in this verse is referring to spiritual adultery, the defiling of the pure doctrine of the Bible with pagan practices and beliefs. Here we see that the nations of the earth have willingly accepted this harlot’s doctrine. Fornication also refers to the illicit union of the church and the state (nation) in which the church uses the police power of the state to enforce its doctrine.

Continuing with verse three: “So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet color, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication.â€

The cup filled with abominations and filthiness of her fornication and the wine mentioned in verse two represent the false, pagan doctrines that this church teaches. Verse two indicates that the entire world is drunk on this wine of the papacy. Practically the entire world has believed the lies and deceptions that the Roman Catholic Church has put forth as Bible truth. The world is so intoxicated on this wine of the papacy that people will not even listen to the truth, much less consider it. No wonder God warns us in First Peter 5:8 to be sober and not drunk on this wine of the papacy. “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walks about, seeking whom he may devour.â€

Don’t misunderstand here. The Catholic Church is NOT a Christian religion. It is a strange combination of all the old pagan religions with a Christian facade. Just because they claim to be a Christian church does not make it so.

Continuing with Revelation 17:5, “And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.†Notice that Babylon is a name that the Bible gives to the harlot and her family, and it represents this mother church and all the false daughter churches. The word “Babylon†means “confusion.†What better term to describe the religious situation in the world today? This harlot, the Catholic Church, is the mother of harlots; she has spawned many other churches that teach much of the same doctrine that this mother church teaches, and they all worship on Sunday instead of Saturday, God’s holy Sabbath day of the fourth commandment.

Notice that the design on the Vatican 100 Lira coin displays a woman holding a cup in her hand with the symbol of the sun god in the cup. This is a rather graphic fulfillment of the prophecy in Revelation 17:4. It strongly implies that they know they are the great harlot of Revelation 17.

Remembering that the Catholic Church slaughtered hundreds of millions of God’s true Christians during the dark ages, continue with verse six: “And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus.â€

How many denominations are there of Christ’s true church, the one that He Himself established? Ephesians 4:4-6 tells us that there is one — and only one — true church. “There is one body, and one Spirit, even as you are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.†The 500 or so church denominations we find in the world today are the daughter churches of this harlot and are not of God, and they do not serve God, although they think they do. What better way for the devil to keep people out of Christ’s true church than to have some 500 denominations, each claiming to be the true church? It is easy to see why those searching for the truth would give up in despair. Satan is clever enough to make sure that when a person gets into one of his counterfeit churches, that person feels as if he were in God’s church. Satan provides all kinds of spiritual “highs†to make people believe that their experiences are from God. They are drunk on the wine of Babylon. How thoroughly Satan has deceived the people of the world! How complete is their deception at the hands of this master liar and his ministers! But God will never accept any of Satan’s counterfeit religions

all from http://www.pacinst.com/efh/chapter11/666.html

 

[klight]

A woman rides the beast, and that woman is a city built on seven hills that reigns over the kings of the earth! Was ever in all of history such a statement made? John immediately equates the readers' acceptance of this revelation with "wisdom." We dare not pass over such a disclosure casually. It merits our careful and prayerful attention.

Here is no mystical or allegorical language but an unambiguous statement in plain words: "The woman ... is that great city." There is no justification for seeking some other hidden meaning. Yet books have been written and sermons preached insisting that "Mystery Babylon" is the United States. That is clearly not the case, for the United States is a country, not a city. One might justifiably refer to the United States as Sodom, considering the honor now given to homosexuals, but it is definitely not the Babylon that John sees in this vision. The woman is a city

Furthermore, she is a city built on seven hills. That specification eliminates ancient Babylon. Only one city has for more than 2000 years been known as the city on seven hills. That city is Rome. The Catholic Encyclopedia states: "It is within the city of Rome, called the city of seven hills, that the entire area of Vatican State proper is now confined."1

There are, of course, other cities, such as Rio de Janeiro, that were also built on seven hills. Therefore, John provides at least seven more characteristics to limit the identification to Rome alone. We will examine each one in detail in subsequent chapters. However, as a preview of where we are going, we will list them now and discuss each one briefly. As we shall see, there is only one city on the earth which, in both historical and contemporary perspectives, passes every test John gives, including its identification as Mystery Babylon. That city is Rome, and more specifically, Vatican City.

Who Is the Whore?

The first thing we are told about the woman is that she is a "whore" (Revelation 17:1), that earthly kings "have committed fornication" with her (verse 2), and that "all the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication" (verse 3). Why would a city be called a whore and be accused of having committed fornication with kings? Such an indictment would never be made of London or Moscow or Paris—or any other ordinary city. It wouldn't make sense.

Fornication and adultery are used in the Bible in both the physical and the spiritual sense. Of Jerusalem God said, "How is the faithful city become a harlot!" (Isaiah 1:21). Israel, whom God had set apart from all other peoples to be holy for His purposes, had entered into unholy, adulterous alliances with the idol-worshiping nations about her. She had "committed adultery with stones and with stocks [idols]" (Jeremiah 3:9); "and with their idols have they committed adultery" (Ezekiel 23:37). The entire chapter of Ezekiel 16 explains lsrael's spiritual adultery in detail, both with heathen nations and with their false gods, as do many other passages.

There is no way that a city could engage in literal, fleshly fornication. Thus we can only conclude that John, like the prophets in the Old Testament, is using the term in its spiritual sense. The city, therefore, must claim a spiritual relationship with God. Otherwise such an allegation would be meaningless.

Though it is built on seven hills, there would be no reason to accuse Rio de Janeiro of spiritual fornication. It makes no claim of having a special relationship with God. And though Jerusalem has that relationship, it cannot be the woman riding on the beast, for it is not built on seven hills. Nor does it meet the other criteria by which this woman is to be identified.

Against only one other city in history could a charge of fornication be leveled. That city is Rome, and more specifically Vatican City. She claims to have been the worldwide headquarters of Christianity since its beginning and maintains that claim to this day. Her pope enthroned in Rome claims to be the exclusive representative of God, the vicar of Christ. Rome is the headquarters of the Roman Catholic Church, and in that too she is unique.

Numerous churches, of course, are headquartered in cities, but only one city is the headquarters of a church. The Mormon Church, for example, is headquartered in Salt Lake City, but there is much more to Salt Lake City than the Mormon Church. Not so with Vatican City. It is the heartbeat of the Roman Catholic Church and nothing else. She is a spiritual entity that could very well be accused of spiritual fornication if she did not remain true to Christ.

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[(THE)]

The Catholic Church is generally thought of as the Mother Church. It makes this claim itself:

I acknowledge the Holy Catholic Apostolic Roman Church for the mother and mistress of all churches. — Art. 10, Creed of Pope Pius IV. Double Bull of Pope Pius IV, Nov. 13 and Dec. 9, 1564, trans. in Philip Schaff, The Creeds of Christendom, New York: Harper, 1919, Vol. 1, p. 99.

With this in mind, and with the knowledge that an immoral woman in Bible prophecy is the symbol of a false church, consider Revelation 17:1-6: “And there came one of the seven angels who had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying to me, Come hither; I will show you the judgment of the great whore that sits upon many waters.â€

You will remember that water represents humanity. “Many waters†in this verse, therefore, refers to the many nations over which this prostitute, the papacy, has influence. In other words this false church is worldwide, having its organization in every nation. Continuing with verse two: “With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.â€

Fornication in this verse is referring to spiritual adultery, the defiling of the pure doctrine of the Bible with pagan practices and beliefs. Here we see that the nations of the earth have willingly accepted this harlot’s doctrine. Fornication also refers to the illicit union of the church and the state (nation) in which the church uses the police power of the state to enforce its doctrine.

Continuing with verse three: “So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet color, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication.â€

The cup filled with abominations and filthiness of her fornication and the wine mentioned in verse two represent the false, pagan doctrines that this church teaches. Verse two indicates that the entire world is drunk on this wine of the papacy. Practically the entire world has believed the lies and deceptions that the Roman Catholic Church has put forth as Bible truth. The world is so intoxicated on this wine of the papacy that people will not even listen to the truth, much less consider it. No wonder God warns us in First Peter 5:8 to be sober and not drunk on this wine of the papacy. “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walks about, seeking whom he may devour.â€

Don’t misunderstand here. The Catholic Church is NOT a Christian religion. It is a strange combination of all the old pagan religions with a Christian facade. Just because they claim to be a Christian church does not make it so.

Continuing with Revelation 17:5, “And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.†Notice that Babylon is a name that the Bible gives to the harlot and her family, and it represents this mother church and all the false daughter churches. The word “Babylon†means “confusion.†What better term to describe the religious situation in the world today? This harlot, the Catholic Church, is the mother of harlots; she has spawned many other churches that teach much of the same doctrine that this mother church teaches, and they all worship on Sunday instead of Saturday, God’s holy Sabbath day of the fourth commandment.

Notice that the design on the Vatican 100 Lira coin displays a woman holding a cup in her hand with the symbol of the sun god in the cup. This is a rather graphic fulfillment of the prophecy in Revelation 17:4. It strongly implies that they know they are the great harlot of Revelation 17.

Remembering that the Catholic Church slaughtered hundreds of millions of God’s true Christians during the dark ages, continue with verse six: “And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus.â€

How many denominations are there of Christ’s true church, the one that He Himself established? Ephesians 4:4-6 tells us that there is one — and only one — true church. “There is one body, and one Spirit, even as you are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.†The 500 or so church denominations we find in the world today are the daughter churches of this harlot and are not of God, and they do not serve God, although they think they do. What better way for the devil to keep people out of Christ’s true church than to have some 500 denominations, each claiming to be the true church? It is easy to see why those searching for the truth would give up in despair. Satan is clever enough to make sure that when a person gets into one of his counterfeit churches, that person feels as if he were in God’s church. Satan provides all kinds of spiritual “highs†to make people believe that their experiences are from God. They are drunk on the wine of Babylon. How thoroughly Satan has deceived the people of the world! How complete is their deception at the hands of this master liar and his ministers! But God will never accept any of Satan’s counterfeit religions

all from http://www.pacinst.com/efh/chapter11/666.html

Why are you assuming this "city" is a physical city???????????

Rev. 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

IT sounds,, kinda like,,, you concluded the "city" is Rome,,,,and are now putting together info to prove that case,,,,instead of vise-versa.....anyhow

Rev. 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

Water meaning people,,,you would need to show the vatican controlling many people,(hold that thought)

Rev. 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

NOw------your going to have to show the vatican controlling the inhabitants of the earth and kings of the earth.....

SO places like,,,lets say China,,,,,and north Korea,,,,,would need to be under the control of the vatican,,,everywhere would be under there control,,,,,as you can see thats not the case.....

BUt forget all that

Rev. 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

this whore is sitting on the beast,,,the beast is the beast from Rev 13.........

Now you would need to show the "vatican" controlling the beast of Revelation 13:1 ,,,and thats just crazy talk,,,,,,we are cleary shown what this beast is in Daniel 7,,,,,,,,and its not the vatican........

Rev. 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Mystery Babylon ,,,,lol,,,,,"vatican" no Mystery.........

 

[JudaicChristian]

I have gone back to my Bible and it is evident that "Jerusalem" is the answer. They are the only ones who fit the bill; they are the ones mentioned in the OT as being a harlot or whore; they are also responsible for the deaths of many a prophet and martyr. Plus, they too were know as a city surrounded by seven hills.

This is one area where I believe the Historicist is wrong.

There's just too much Biblical evidence to go out of the Bible for answers.

http://www.askelm.com/prophecy/p000201.htm

Where are the names of blasphemy for those mountains? The seven hills in Rome have Pagan gods named for them; Thus making it a blasphemy.

 

[(THE)]

I have gone back to my Bible and it is evident that "Jerusalem" is the answer. They are the only ones who fit the bill; they are the ones mentioned in the OT as being a harlot or whore; they are also responsible for the deaths of many a prophet and martyr. Plus, they too were know as a city surrounded by seven hills.

This is one area where I believe the Historicist is wrong.

There's just too much Biblical evidence to go out of the Bible for answers.

http://www.askelm.com/prophecy/p000201.htm

Where are the names of blasphemy for those mountains? The seven hills in Rome have Pagan gods named for them; Thus making it a blasphemy.

One might conclude you have never seen proverbs chp 7..............

WHile reading chp 7 of proverbs we are quiclky introduced to 2 women......

(THE) first in lady wisdom The other woman is a strange woman (whore) :bigfrown neiter of these woman are,,,citys or organizations,,,but of these woman are thoughts and concepts,,,beliefs,,,,and understanding or the lack of..........

THis strange woman (whore) is the same as the whore from Revelation 17........

SO when people say the whore is the vatican,,,thats just ignoranace,,,because that would mean the battle is between lady wisdom and the papacy (blah)

Also mystery babylon has been aroung since the time of NImrod,,,,,,there was no vatican around then,,thus the (whore) is not the vatican......

 

[Vince]

Brethren, I want to teach you a deep new revelation that will shock many of you:

If you LISTEN before fighting, you might learn something.

I believe that the great whore is the Roman Catholic Church. But I was surprised at what a good case my friend Veteran made for saying that it is Jerusalem. Good research, Brother.

 

[prough91]

Brethren, I want to teach you a deep new revelation that will shock many of you:

If you LISTEN before fighting, you might learn something.

I believe that the great whore is the Roman Catholic Church. But I was surprised at what a good case my friend Veteran made for saying that it is Jerusalem. Good research, Brother.

I never heard that either, but it is very thought provoking.

 

[veteran]

Well, then let's consider signs going on in the world today.

"THE" is correct. For those who believe the great whore means the Vatican in Rome, one must show signs of its control over ALL nations on this earth, including control over the Communist nations, the Islamic nations, Buddhist nations, and especially over the orthodox Jews of Judaism.

 

[(THE)]

Well, then let's consider signs going on in the world today.

"THE" is correct. For those who believe the great whore means the Vatican in Rome, one must show signs of its control over ALL nations on this earth, including control over the Communist nations, the Islamic nations, Buddhist nations, and especially over the orthodox Jews of Judaism.

(THE) problem I see is that the old testamnet has been thrown to the side.......

Proverbs makes it clear who this woman is,,,but people only read the New testament therfor there thinking is limited to historic facts after the death of Christ........blah

I believe the identity of the "whore" can figured out without using Revelation 17 and 18...

As a matter of fact this whore can been seen throughout history long before there was a vatican or Rome even comes into play.....Also we were given a type for this whore????

What no-one reads the book of kings???????? Ever heard of Jezebel,,,,she is a type for the whore.....

Man all that time writing the old test and no-one reads it........

 

[JudaicChristian]

[quote="Vic C.":3grqxf3r]I have gone back to my Bible and it is evident that "Jerusalem" is the answer. They are the only ones who fit the bill; they are the ones mentioned in the OT as being a harlot or whore; they are also responsible for the deaths of many a prophet and martyr. Plus, they too were know as a city surrounded by seven hills.

This is one area where I believe the Historicist is wrong.

There's just too much Biblical evidence to go out of the Bible for answers.

http://www.askelm.com/prophecy/p000201.htm

Where are the names of blasphemy for those mountains? The seven hills in Rome have Pagan gods named for them; Thus making it a blasphemy.

One might conclude you have never seen proverbs chp 7..............

WHile reading chp 7 of proverbs we are quiclky introduced to 2 women......

(THE) first in lady wisdom The other woman is a strange woman (whore) :bigfrown neiter of these woman are,,,citys or organizations,,,but of these woman are thoughts and concepts,,,beliefs,,,,and understanding or the lack of..........

THis strange woman (whore) is the same as the whore from Revelation 17........

SO when people say the whore is the vatican,,,thats just ignoranace,,,because that would mean the battle is between lady wisdom and the papacy (blah)

Also mystery babylon has been aroung since the time of NImrod,,,,,,there was no vatican around then,,thus the (whore) is not the vatican......[/quote:3grqxf3r]
There is more than one dragon, and there is more than one woman. What does that have to do with the names of blasphemy upon the seven hills?

 

[JudaicChristian]

Well, then let's consider signs going on in the world today.

"THE" is correct. For those who believe the great whore means the Vatican in Rome, one must show signs of its control over ALL nations on this earth, including control over the Communist nations, the Islamic nations, Buddhist nations, and especially over the orthodox Jews of Judaism.

They have ambassadors and influence in every country. Does that count for anything?

 

[Vince]

The Catholic Church will not rule over all the kings of the earth until after the Rapture.

 

[JudaicChristian]

The Catholic Church will not rule over all the kings of the earth until after the Rapture.

Where is that written in the scriptures?