Revelation 17 Harlot

[Vince]

Revelations 17:9 "Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits."

This is not "wordplay." Jerusalem does not sit on seven mountains.

 

[ronniechoate34]

The harlot. The one that commits adultery. When a man and a woman fornicate they become one flesh. When Christianity isn't pure, and its practices are mingled with idolatry and such things that are pagan and of the devil, then that's spiritual adultery. The Bible makes it clear that the church is comparable to a woman. We are espoused to Jesus Christ and we are to serve Him in truth and in spirit. The truth is that the harlot is plain to see, and her daughters recognize her mark of authority. The problem is that some people can't accept the fact that this thing has been revealed already.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Revelations 17:9 "Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits."

This is not "wordplay." Jerusalem does not sit on seven mountains.

It seems to me that when Christians don't like what scripture says, then thy start giving out strange interpretations. Who killed the saints, both Jerusalem and Rome. Who is called a harlot, both Jerusalem and Rome. Who was called Babylon as a parable, only Rome. What city was called the city of the seven hills, only Rome. And the list goes on and on. Perhaps some one should make a list so everyone can plainly see that it is Rome and not some other place on earth. During the time John wrote Revelation, the Roman soldiers painted in blood a red dragon on their shields.

 

[Vic C.]

Revelations 17:9 "Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits."

This is not "wordplay." Jerusalem does not sit on seven mountains.

What more can we say? We've posted more Biblical passages showing it is Jerusalem... much more than anyone could have posted that disproves it is Jerusalem. I've even posted maps showing these hills, which lie within the walls of Jerusalem.

People, if an answer is so clear in scripture, why do some go so far out of the way to debunk Biblical evidence?

It seems to me that when Christians don't like what scripture says, then thy start giving out strange interpretations.

Thank you for inadvertently answering my question and proving my point. Some of you don't like what Scripture says on this subject. :gah I did not have to twist, allegorize or spiritualize text to make it fit a certain belief system. The text stands on it's own and was shown to be parallel to verses in Revelation.

Who killed the saints, both Jerusalem and Rome. Who is called a harlot, both Jerusalem and Rome. Who was called Babylon as a parable, only Rome. What city was called the city of the seven hills, only Rome.

I believe if you did some unbiased research, you may find that Rome was not the only city tagged with this name.

And the list goes on and on. Perhaps some one should make a list so everyone can plainly see that it is Rome and not some other place on earth. During the time John wrote Revelation, the Roman soldiers painted in blood a red dragon on their shields.

First off, I don't feel the red dragon has anything to do with this.

Secondly, I'd "love" to see this list, but in the meantime, I'm still waiting for someone to prove, from the Bible, that it is Rome and not Jerusalem. Of course this Biblical proof has to be more overwhelming that the Jerusalem passages already posted.

I think that's fair. :yes

 

[klight]

what daughters is Jerusalem the mother of, as in harlots? is Jerusalem Babylon? no, in the scriptures Babylon was always against Jerusalem, so why would Jerusalem now be called Babylon? in the scriptures, blasphemy was considered when someone claimed they were God, and claimed they had the power to forgive sins. That is why they called Jesus blasphemous. the papacy claims that they can forgive sins, and the pope claims that he is God in the flesh, able to exercise God's authority here on earth. the religious denominations follow her doctrine. this is blasphemy, and the papacy can be seen as the mother of all harlots.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Lets not forget Jesus and John the Baptist and all the other Apostles and believers who had died for which they too were also responsible.

The Orthodox Jews had the Romans kill Yahshua.

 

[Vic C.]

what daughters is Jerusalem the mother of, as in harlots?

Every belief or doctrine that goes against the word or God is a daughter of the Harlot. As the OT prophets have pointed out, she is the mother of all abominations.

is Jerusalem Babylon? no, in the scriptures Babylon was always against Jerusalem, so why would Jerusalem now be called Babylon?

The verse in Revelation calls this a mystery. All scripture so far revealed that pertains to this subject point straight to Jerusalem.

in the scriptures, blasphemy was considered when someone claimed they were God, and claimed they had the power to forgive sins. That is why they called Jesus blasphemous.

One would have to dismiss a good portion of the Bible to ignore the many, many times the people of Jerusalem blasphemed the Lord. :crazy

the papacy claims that they can forgive sins, and the pope claims that he is God in the flesh, able to exercise God's authority here on earth. the religious denominations follow her doctrine. this is blasphemy, and the papacy can be seen as the mother of all harlots.

Given ALL the Biblical proof we have posted so far makes this a bit of a stretch. Let me guess, you are unchurched and believe all churches have errant doctrine as a result of the influences of the RCC. :gah

As for the Pope claiming to be God in the flesh, one quote from a Pope isn't asking too much.

I don't agree with a lot of RC doctrine but I don't agree that they in any way are mentioned in the capacity of harlot, antichrist, etc. in Revelation.

Let me ask something I asked in another thread:

Using the Bible, define Antichrist.

Lets not forget Jesus and John the Baptist and all the other Apostles and believers who had died for which they too were also responsible.

The Orthodox Jews had the Romans kill Yahshua.

The Romans were obligated by agreement and law to oblige. It was the religious leaders of Jesus' time that called for His death. To deny they weren't responsible denies a chunk of prophecy related to them and Messianic prophecy.

 

[klight]

Every belief or doctrine that goes against the word or God is a daughter of the Harlot. As the OT prophets have pointed out, she is the mother of all abominations.

ok, so you yourself have said wat defines a daughter of the harlot. then why do all of todays church denominations follow the doctrine of the papcay, instead of the word of God? it is the roman catholic doctrine, "as a mark of her authority" that changed God's law of the day he set apart, saturday, to sunday, even tho they had no biblical authority or proof to do this. and wat do todays denominations do? worship on sunday. even tho it goes against the word of God. also, why do many churches today have the image of the cross put on display, sometimes even with the dead Christ on it?

 

[JudaicChristian]

The Romans were obligated by agreement and law to oblige. It was the religious leaders of Jesus' time that called for His death. To deny they weren't responsible denies a chunk of prophecy related to them and Messianic prophecy.

Let's not forget Nero or the Christian wars.

 

[Vince]

I found a site that taught that Jerusalem is the great harlot, and that all the events described in Revelation were completed by the end of the first century AD. But Jerusalem back then didn't reign over all the kings of the earth, the Romans did not destroy the city of Jerusalem, her judgments took place over a six year war (not one day), the merchants of the earth did have other people to buy their goods, and Jerusalem still exists.

 

[researcher]

I found a site that taught that Jerusalem is the great harlot, and that all the events described in Revelation were completed by the end of the first century AD. But Jerusalem back then didn't reign over all the kings of the earth, the Romans did not destroy the city of Jerusalem, her judgments took place over a six year war (not one day), the merchants of the earth did have other people to buy their goods, and Jerusalem still exists.

It's the merchants of the land. A common mistranslation. The Greek for earth and land is the same word.

The Jerusalem that existed then will never exist again. A new city was built on top of the land it sat on, but the city that was then, will never exist again... ever. Lol

 

[Cornelius]

, she is the mother of all abominations.

she is the mother of all denominations .

 

[Cornelius]

The horrible truth is that we all have a bit of the Harlot in us. She represents everything that is "spiritual" but not of God. She is every part of every false doctrine, every schism , every opinion of man that does not aline itself with the Word of God.

The Harlot is the exact opposite of the Bride. Both are woman. One is married to Christ , the other is a Harlot who receives the "seed" of many men. Seed in the Bible = words. That means the Harlot is open to the words of many men and is not faithful to only the Word of God.

Amazingly enough, she even partakes of the Word as well and mixes it with the opinions or doctrines of man. She is part of every denomination,because denomination build on the opinion of man and separate from the rest, because they are "right".She is part of every spiritual institution. Only spiritual Jerusalem (the Bride) is free of her. Jerusalem is dressed in white and she comes down from heaven (Meaning she is the born again experience , being born from above ) She only follows her Groom and only listens to Him.

God calls us out of her.We must be separated from all things and be holy (sanctified) before He comes to judge the Harlot.

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

The horrible truth is that we all have a bit of the Harlot in us. She represents everything that is "spiritual" but not of God. She is every part of every false doctrine, every schism , every opinion of man that does not aline itself with the Word of God.

The Harlot is the exact opposite of the Bride. Both are woman. One is married to Christ , the other is a Harlot who receives the "seed" of many men. Seed in the Bible = words. That means the Harlot is open to the words of many men and is not faithful to only the Word of God.

Amazingly enough, she even partakes of the Word as well and mixes it with the opinions or doctrines of man. She is part of every denomination,because denomination build on the opinion of man and separate from the rest, because they are "right".She is part of every spiritual institution. Only spiritual Jerusalem (the Bride) is free of her. Jerusalem is dressed in white and she comes down from heaven (Meaning she is the born again experience , being born from above ) She only follows her Groom and only listens to Him.

God calls us out of her.We must be separated from all things and be holy (sanctified) before He comes to judge the Harlot.

 

[Vince]

The Romans DID NOT destroy the city of Jerusalem in 70 AD. The city was damaged in the fighting, but it was not destroyed. Jerusalem did not cease to exist after Rome won the war. It continued to be the capital of the Roman province of Judea.

Jerusalem did not rule over the kings of the earth, and it was not the mother of the abominations that were taking place in Japan, China, and Korea at that time.

This is a future event, that takes place after the Rapture.

 

[Cornelius]

Fallen man is "one spirit" with the beasts, and in their persecution of the righteous, will prove to be a corporate beast. The harlot rode the beast with the seven heads identified in Revelation 13:1, 2 and Daniel 7:4-7. Each of the heads were symbols of world-ruling beast kingdoms. the lion was the symbol of Babylon, the leopard of Greece, and the bear of Medo-Persia. (Rev. 17:9) Here is the mind that hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth [/b](These are not the seven hills of Rome as is traditionally taught, which is a lesser type, but seven kingdoms.): (10) and they are seven kings; the five are fallen (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece), the one is (Rome), the other is not yet come (the corporate worldwide Roman Empire of the dragon in Revelation 12); and when he cometh, he must continue a little while (3-1/2 years). (11) And the beast that was, and is not, is himself also an eighth, and is of the seven.

more here.......... http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.org/?page=hm10

 

[Cornelius]

more.............

Many falsely believe that because the eighth beast "is of the seven" that it is only one of the seven. The seventh and eighth beast are truly a staged revival of the Roman Empire on a worldwide scale, which is the beast in Revelation 13. But also from the description of the beast, we can see that he plainly is made up of the entire world outside of Christ. The body of the eighth beast is made up of the seed of all "of the seven" world-ruling beast kingdoms because "the woman sitteth" on all seven.

 

[(THE)]

more.............

Many falsely believe that because the eighth beast "is of the seven" that it is only one of the seven. The seventh and eighth beast are truly a staged revival of the Roman Empire on a worldwide scale, which is the beast in Revelation 13. But also from the description of the beast, we can see that he plainly is made up of the entire world outside of Christ. The body of the eighth beast is made up of the seed of all "of the seven" world-ruling beast kingdoms because "the woman sitteth" on all seven.

No its not........ Please post scripture not ideas.......The eight beast

Revelation 17:10 "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space."

Revelation 17:11 "And the beast that was, and is not even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition."

The eight beast goes into perdition (that should have set off some alarms in your head as to who this 8th beats is) perdition - simply means to perish,,,,and there is only one person we know that is sentenced to perish,,,,wanna read about him,,,,sure,,,

II Thessalonians 2:1 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,"

II Thessalonians 2:2 "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is [the Lord is just] at hand."

II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come [it will not be], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition..

Sorry bro but you wrong......The eight beast is the man of sin (satan) we can also read about him in Revelation 13...

11And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

SO NO!!!! the eight beast is nop a revived Roman Empire..............

 

[Cornelius]

I am not going to fight about it LOL you may believe as you please :yes

 

[(THE)]

I am not going to fight about it LOL you may believe as you please :yes

OMG,,,,this aint fighting,,,,,you presented a case,, of the revivied "Rome" being the the beast of Revelation chp 13.......... I showed you are wrong,,,why start arguing when anyone can do the research and come to the correct thinking.....

The beast of revelation 13:1 is a political united system,,,,this can been seen in Daniel 2 by where the beast are identified .......

The beast of Revelaiton 13:11 is no other then satan himself........

So no,,, your revived ROmam theory doesnt hold.........