Revelation 3:10

[Eugene]

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To be kept from the hour of temptation?

Is it possible that if there is a promise to certain brethren of the Church
to be kept from that time, there are some that must in fact enter it?

 

[Bick]

Hi Eugene.
I believe Revelation concerns Israel, the nations, and the earth, but not the Church body of Christ.
It is important to know that the word in Greek for "church" is "ecclesia" which means "called out ones,"
And could be rendered "assembly," or even "synagogue." Therefore, IMO, there are 7 Jewish assemblies described in Revelation chapters 2 and 3, not "Christian churches. And further, Revelation is future in the Day of the Lord.
For more info, study "The Apocalypse" by E.W. Bullinger. Paul does tell us that in our daily walk we will be tested for our faith.

 

[dirtfarmer]

Hi Eugene.
I believe Revelation concerns Israel, the nations, and the earth, but not the Church body of Christ.
It is important to know that the word in Greek for "church" is "ecclesia" which means "called out ones,"
And could be rendered "assembly," or even "synagogue." Therefore, IMO, there are 7 Jewish assemblies described in Revelation chapters 2 and 3, not "Christian churches. And further, Revelation is future in the Day of the Lord.
For more info, study "The Apocalypse" by E.W. Bullinger. Paul does tell us that in our daily walk we will be tested for our faith.

hello Bick, dirtfarmer here

I agree with your explanation of Revelation. The Church is not found in Revelation until chapter 19 and forward to the end.

 

[Eugene]

Hi Bick and thanks for your reply. I’ve never heard that doctrine before concerning the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

I believe Revelation concerns Israel, the nations, and the earth, but not the Church body of Christ.

Why?

It is important to know that the word in Greek for "church" is "ecclesia" which means "called out ones," And could be rendered "assembly," or even "synagogue.

Agreed.

Further, Revelation is future in the Day of the Lord.

Agreed, but I ask when is it as pertaining to dispensations? John says that he was in the isle Patmos on the Lord's Day. Isn't that the same as the Day of the Lord? Scripturally John was caught forward two thousand plus years to the day Jesus will receive His own throne in Rev 4:2. From that point he is told to write of three viewpoints from that perspective in Rev 1:19, Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; three different viewpoints from that period in time.

Where do you believe the Church is at the Lord’s Day? and how do you interrupt the fact that judgment must begin at the house of God? 1Pet 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

And then Act 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
Thanks again Bick. Blessings in Christ Jesus.

 

[for_his_glory]

Because the Church of Philadelphia (Gods pure Church until the end of days) have kept the word of God and have waited for him patiently God will keep them from being tempted by the works of Satan that will deceive even the elect of God if they are weak, Matthew 24:24; Rev Chapter 13. Those who overcome will God make them to sit with him in the New Jerusalem that is waiting to be ushered down.

Many teach that the Church will be Raptured out of here before Gods wrath (tribulation), but according to these scriptures the body of Christ who are still alive at Christ coming will be here on earth during the time of the greatest tribulation this world has ever seen nor will ever see again, Matthew 24:21.

Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God

Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Rev 3:5; 19:8 Jesus is showing us to look for the signs of his coming

Rev 5:13; 6:16,17 On earth and under the earth are those who are still here until the end of days

Rev 6:9-11 Note where John says fellow servants and brethren that should be killed as they were and we are in the midst of the seven seals right now heading towards the seven trumpets

Rev 7:13-17 Which came out of great tribulation; fulfillment of the gentiles

Rev 8:13 Three woes are war, earthquakes, and meteors

Rev 13:11-18 Here John is showing us about the beast out of the sea that gives power to the beast out of the earth as we are warned to not take its mark


Rev 14:14-20 The harvest of Gods Children

Rev 16:11,15 And they repented not. If Christ returns in pretrib rapture then at that time the door of Salvation will be closed.



Rev 18:23, 24 We have now come out of great tribulation as mystery Babylon has been described and destroyed as we have not yet been caught up to be with the Lord until the last day.


Rev 19:7,8 We have made ourselves ready by enduring through Gods mighty wrath and refusing the mark of the beast


Rev 20:4-6 These verses show that we went through much annihilation and endured all things before the coming of the Lord.


Rev 20:12-15 The Great White Throne judgment and Jesus judgment for the works we did or did not do for him here on earth when the books are opened

 

[Eugene]

Because the Church of Philadelphia (Gods pure Church until the end of days) have kept the word of God and have waited for him patiently God will keep them from being tempted by the works of Satan that will deceive even the elect of God if they are weak

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. (Where do you read “until the end of days?) These are being kept from something that occurs prior to the end of days as I see it.

Many teach that the Church will be Raptured out of here before Gods wrath (tribulation), but according to these scriptures the body of Christ who are still alive at Christ coming will be here on earth during the time of the greatest tribulation this world has ever seen nor will ever see again, Matthew 24:21.

Hi Sister for_his_glory, is not being raptured actually being caught up to be in heaven? And if that is so, what do you think of the twenty-four elders in Rev 4:4, and the four living ones or beasts of Rev 4:6 that are with Jesus when He receives His own throne at the beginning of His reign in Rev 4:2? What do they sing of themselves in Rev 5:9? And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; (aren’t these a part of the Church with Jesus before the tribulation?) Thanks.

 

[dirtfarmer]

dirtfarmer here

Revelation was written by John an apostle to the circumcision. How is it possible to say that the seven churches of Revelation 2-3 can apply to the body of Christ? Paul was the apostle to the heathen(gentiles) and never mentions being kings and priests as does Peter, James, and John in their writings.

In Revelation 1:12 John speaks of "seven golden candlesticks", which has to do with the Jewish temple, not the Church, the body of Christ. Also the messages to the seven churches have the phrase: " He that overcometh will be rewarded; Where do we find that anyone in the body of Christ has to "overcome" in order to receive a place in God's presence. If I remember correctly, scripture states that we are now citizens of heaven and also heirs and joint-heirs with Christ because of our belief in Christ as savior.

There are many other expressions that are used in Revelation that are Hebrewisms.
I also believe that Revelation was written before the destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D.

 

[Corn Pop]

John is speaking to seven ancient congregations in Asia minor. We are not those congregations and they no longer exist.

"John to the seven churches which are in Asia:"

I will repeat.

"John, to the seven churches which are in Asia."

2000 years ago.

 

[Edward]

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To be kept from the hour of temptation?

Is it possible that if there is a promise to certain brethren of the Church
to be kept from that time, there are some that must in fact enter it?

I haven't read the other responses, but this is what I think.
I'm pretty sure that's about the tribulation...and Israel. I think the trib is mostly about Israel, that the church will be raptured out of the worst of the trib...and Israel gets to go through the fire of purification to test them. Plus perhaps the western believers who were not spotless.

 

[Edward]

John is speaking to seven ancient congregations in Asia minor. We are not those congregations and they no longer exist.

"John to the seven churches which are in Asia:"

I will repeat.

"John, to the seven churches which are in Asia."

2000 years ago.

Huh? What if I told you we were Laodecia?

That's revelation Brother, it hasn't happened yet. This is NT here...don't go thinking that the entire Bible isn't for YOU. Because it is. Ok maybe Revelation is moreso to the Jews than the western church (we're still in there) but how-in-the-heck can revelation be to people 2000 years ago and not now?

That's prophecy Brother.

 

[Eugene]

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Thanks for your input Brother Edward. I too think the most of Revelation is the judgment of unbelievers, the deliverance of the Church to Himself, and restoration of those estranged from Him of Israel. Even the 144,000 all of Israel are a part of the Church caught up unto God prior to the second half of the week.

 

[Edward]

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Thanks for your input Brother Edward. I too think the most of Revelation is the judgment of unbelievers, the deliverance of the Church to Himself, and restoration of those estranged from Him of Israel. Even the 144,000 all of Israel are a part of the Church caught up unto God prior to the second half of the week.

You are very probably right Brother. You...are a wee bit better read than I. :nod

 

[Corn Pop]

Huh? What if I told you we were Laodecia?

That's revelation Brother, it hasn't happened yet. This is NT here...don't go thinking that the entire Bible isn't for YOU. Because it is. Ok maybe Revelation is moreso to the Jews than the western church (we're still in there) but how-in-the-heck can revelation be to people 2000 years ago and not now?

That's prophecy Brother.

The bible is for everyone and is a historical record and account and testimony of Gods work and Salvation for mankind. But in my opinion it has to be read for what it says and who its speaking to at the time, if God was speaking to Moses for example he was speaking to Moses, if Jesus was speaking to his diciples he was speaking to his diciples.

Jesus tells his diciples they will see the signs and Christians today go that's so cool Jesus said i am going to see the signs.

 

[Corn Pop]

The day two Christians agree on everything and the Spirit is in harmony i maybe agree. Because if God is not confusion why does everyone claim the Spirit and everything is a complete mess.

 

[Eugene]

The bible is for everyone and is a historical record and account and testimony of Gods work and Salvation for mankind. But in my opinion it has to be read for what it says and who its speaking to at the time.

Brother kiwidan, God is not restricted to our manner of hearing, seeing, and/or understanding. Considering the following scripture, do you see the things told to those alive at the time John wrote Revelation possibly containing prophesy also? Thanks.

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. (Do you see Jesus here - three time periods?)
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD (Jehovah); and beside me there is no saviour. (Was this just to Israel?)

Rev 1:18 I am He that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. (Three time periods)

Rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; (Again three time periods)

 

[dirtfarmer]

Brother kiwidan, God is not restricted to our manner of hearing, seeing, and/or understanding. Considering the following scripture, do you see the things told to those alive at the time John wrote Revelation possibly containing prophesy also? Thanks.

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. (Do you see Jesus here - three time periods?)
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD (Jehovah); and beside me there is no saviour. (Was this just to Israel?)

Rev 1:18 I am He that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. (Three time periods)

Rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; (Again three time periods)

hello Eugene, dirtfarmer here

Lest we forget, scripture was written to 3 groups of people; the Jew, the Church(the body of Christ) and to the Gentile. When we take things that was written to the Jews and apply it to the body of Christ, such as the sacrifices of animals., grains, and fruit, we get confusion. God is not the author of confusion, thus we must apply 2 Timothy 15," Study to show thyself approved unto to God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

I am going to assume that you will counter with 2 Timothy 3:16-17, " All scripture is given by the inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect (mature- not without fault: Jesus Christ was the only human that was without fault), thoroughly furnished unto all good works." This scripture doesn't states that all scripture can be used to base doctrine on nor does it state that all scripture can be used for reproof.
How can we apply animal sacrifice as a doctrine to the Church or the keeping of the feast. When we study those things that are used as types have instruction in righteousness. Types are word pictures of the true sacrifice and give us a deeper understanding about the sacrifice that Christ made.

 

[Eugene]

I am going to assume that you will counter with 2 Timothy 3:16-17, " All scripture is given by the inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousnes

No I wasn't, but agree that when applied in the right context all scripture edifies.

How can we apply animal sacrifice as a doctrine to the Church or the keeping of the feast.

Dear Brother dirtfarmer, thanks so much for going into this, and I am interested in your thinking as to where there are animal sacrifices mandated to the Church in seven separate locations of Asia.

In fact I'm adding this next scripture to qualify my thinking on this. Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Thanks.

 

[Douglas Summers]

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To be kept from the hour of temptation?

Is it possible that if there is a promise to certain brethren of the Church
to be kept from that time, there are some that must in fact enter it?

It is the promise of God to translate the church before the tribulation that Israel will go through. (Rev. 3:10) (Rev. 1:19) (Rev. 4:1) (1 Cor. 15:51-53)
(1 Thes. 4:13-18) (Matt. 24:40-41)

 

[Eugene]

Rev 3:10 - To be kept from the hour of temptation?

It is the promise of God to translate the church before the tribulation that Israel will go through. (Rev. 3:10) (Rev. 1:19) (Rev. 4:1) (1 Cor. 15:51-53)
(1 Thes. 4:13-18) (Matt. 24:40-41)

Hi Brother Douglas Summers, I agree with this also, but what I'm asking is what of those that don't faithfully keep the word of God (Rom 3:10). The entire Church will indeed be translated prior to the middle of the week of tribulation when the abomination of desolation attempts to sit as God before the people, or tries to take that holy place that only God has, but in Rev 7:9 John is shown a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. (Are these washed in the blood of the Lamb our brethren?)
Now above I emboldened the elders who were already in heaven. They were there round about the throne in Rev 4:4, and there were four beasts or living one in Rev 4:6 with Jesus before the temptation even began.

Let me hold off here lest I get too involved for anyone to understand, and I'll await your reply.

 

[Willie T]

John is speaking to seven ancient congregations in Asia minor. We are not those congregations and they no longer exist.

"John to the seven churches which are in Asia:"

I will repeat.

"John, to the seven churches which are in Asia."

2000 years ago.

Refreshing. Someone who "reads" the Bible, instead of trying to "re-write" it.