Sabbath Day business

[Jethro Bodine]

What makes you thimk I was talking to you? Hmmmm??? I was, but I'd love to hear you continue to try to justify...

 

[JLB]

What makes you thimk I was talking to you? Hmmmm??? I was, but I'd love to hear you continue to try to justify...

Here it is again, -

Here is an example of Paul doing exactly that -

Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort,

17 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort,
18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some.
2 Timothy 2:17-18


JLB

 

[Jethro Bodine]

The law was added to the Abrahamic Covenant, four hundred and thirty years later. Galatians 3:19

Noah lived before Abraham.

The point I have made is clear.

Noah walked in faith working through love before Moses and before Christ.

You are trying to come up with a scripture that says "faith in Christ", fulfills the law of Moses.

So far you have not.

This scripture says 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.

Faith working through love was what Noah walked in, long before Christ was born, and long before the law was added.

Not faith in Christ, but faith... faith working through love.

So far, you have not been able to show a scripture that says faith in Christ, fulfills the law of Moses, though you have been trying to teach that very thing for quite some time.

You have tried to convince everyone that they are blind and can not see that we fulfill some "spiritual" law of Moses through faith in Christ.


JLB

Wonderful.
Now, can you explain what I asked? How is it that Noah's faith fulfilled the law of love, but faith does not fulfill the same law of love in the law of Moses?

 

[Sparkey]

You guys have nothing to worry about here. I'm almost as much a pacifist as Drew and I'm getting way too many responses flooding into my system notify. "You have 4 new message" -- and only in a second or two after I posted the rebuke. Dang, you're loaded for bear. I'm outta here.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Hey, Baretta (Sparrowhawke ), I'm just here for the potato chips and dip.

♫ "Just keep your eye on the sparrow
When the going gets narrow" ♫

 

[Jethro Bodine]

You guys have nothing to worry about here. I'm almost as much a pacifist as Drew and I'm getting way too many responses flooding into my system notify. "You have 4 new message" -- and only in a second or two after I posted the rebuke. Dang, you're loaded for bear. I'm outta here.

In before the lock.

Grab a handful of chips on the way out. I am.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Just goes to show you, Baretta. People just don't respond very well to correction. It's a pride thing.

 

[JLB]

Wonderful.
Now, can you explain what I asked? How is it that Noah's faith fulfilled the law of love, but faith does not fulfill the same law of love in the law of Moses?

Noah's faith working by love fulfilled the Royal law, the law of faith, which is not the law of Moses, because the law of Moses was added much later.

Which proves faith working by love is the Royal Law, the law of God, and not the law of Moses which was added much later.

Now, please share the scripture that states "faith in Christ" fulfills the law of Moses.


"love is the fulfillment of the law." (Romans 13:10 NASB)

No mention of faith in Christ here?


JLB

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Don't do me dirt or you're gonna get hurt
Don't do it
Don't run away till you hear what I say

https://www.google.com/webhp?source...1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=baretta theme song lyrics

 

[Sparkey]

Hint: Circumcision was part of the Abrahamic Covenant. Moses was almost killed b/c he failed to circumcise one of his kids and Zipporah, one of the seven daughters of Jethro, did it. The Children of Israel then stopped cutting foreskins (were they following their leader?) and Joshua had to re-institute the practice because it was, AND IS an everlasting covenant, before entering the Promised Land.

Now, it's also Circumcision that Paul lectured so deeply on.

Take it from there, but just don't hen-peck me for saying it. It won't work. Have you seen my forehead? I can full strength smack my forehead against the hardest part of a door sill and it feels like Nirvana to me, all tingly and there you have it, me in battle mode! Eyes glinting as I eagerly and feebly (I'm 62, why pretend) look around for 'who to kill'.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Noah's faith working by love fulfilled the Royal law, the law of faith, which is not the law of Moses, because the law of Moses was added much later.

Oh, that's right because 'do not steal', and 'do not hate', for example, are different laws than the 'do not steal' and 'do not hate' written down in the law of Moses.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

one of the seven daughters of Jethro, did it.

Yes, I remember. She always had a penchant for knifes, even as a little girl.

 

[smaller]

No? Then Christ was lying when he said, "first clean the inside of the cup and of the dish, so that the outside of it may become clean also." (Matthew 23:26 NASB)?

IF the Word Dwells "in" us, then we ARE clean. But that does not address the entirety of our current state of affairs.

John 15:3
Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

That same Word condemns sin in the flesh.

Romans 8:10
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

This is a two fold state, presently. We await our final change, OUT of the DEAD body, because of the presence of sin.

Yes, but only for the unbeliever, the one still in the flesh, and the believer who doesn't know better. Read it.

The unbeliever is blinded by the "god of this world" who has blinded their minds. 2 Cor. 4:4. The unbeliever is NOT your or my enemy. The BLINDER is their enemy, just as the BLINDER is "our" enemy. We are still to LOVE them all, in understanding 'their' condition, which is not one bit different than "ours was" prior to belief. Eph. 2:2

We attack the ENEMY, not the captive blinded. There IS a very distinct difference between the captive and the captor.

Isn't judging a sin too?

Not at all. We are completely FREE to judge the DEVIL(s) in ALL their works and in all their ways, and to CONDEMN them.

It is when we blur the lines between the parties that we ourselves are blinded.

Paul exact call was to OPEN people's eyes and to TURN THEM from the POWER OF SATAN, unto GOD in Christ. Acts 26:18

This CALL remains and abides upon ALL of us.

You're literally judging me for (supposedly) judging others.

I don't judge you whatsoever as a believer. But I understand that is not "all" that transpires within anyone. With the same judgment that I judge my own "sin" as demonic, I view yours and anyone else's, likewise.

I have little interest in being Satan's pawnboy, and know who our real adversary is. The power to overcome is given to those who engage this adverse power within themselves FIRST.

I know that's okay in your doctrine, and I guess that's really what's wrong with your doctrine. It excuses sin.

I do not make the "fatal" theological mistake of trying to put the workings of the tempter "under Grace" or to try to lyingly claim that worker or working "legal." This is the ground upon which we divide our sights from each others.

So I should just let it all hang out and mutter the mantra of the unbeliever, "well, were all sinners anyway". Sorry, but my Bible tells me to strive for perfection, not sit in glib satisfaction and resignation to my sin.

You should understand the position of the unbeliever, if you are engaged by God in Christ to "free" them from Satan's holding.

Love them to your death if it comes to that. Look to Jesus or to Stephen as a reminder of how lives are sacrificed:

Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.

Acts 7:60
And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

Okay, okay! You believe Jesus was a sinner. I got it.

Where in the world did you pull that one from? I've never ever made any such claims. Ever. But you see my friend, God in Christ IS on my side to AROUSE the enemy, so be aware that this happens.

I see, so I should excuse sin in me instead. The attempt to mortify it in my members is futile.

No, you should condemn it to the DEATH of your flesh, as that is where it abides. To resurrect indwelling sin and paint that tomb up for anything different than what it is, is in fact an evil working of deception. We do not presently STAND IN GLORY.

No, I hear ya. I'm not going to make any attempt to mortify sinful deeds in my flesh by the Holy Spirit. It's a lost cause.

Better to try to slip the tempter in the flesh past Heaven's Gate? It just ain't going to happen Jethro. God sees past all the phony, and knows that we are sinners, and that sin is of the devil. None of us are going to make that working anything different than what it is.

Where it slips is when it progresses past evil thoughts, into evil words, and finally to evil deeds, showing a full blown slave.

But the fact is, we all deal with it INTERNALLY in the case of everyone of us. No one makes "indwelling sin" or "evil present" with them, obey. They can certainly lie about it though.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

The Children of Israel then stopped cutting foreskins (were they following their leader?) and Joshua had to re-institute the practice because it was AND IS an everlasting covenant before entering the Promised Land.

Ah, yes. Another example of how faith in Christ fulfills the law, yet not in a literal to the letter of the law way, yet fulfills it nonetheless.

" circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code." (Romans 2:29 NASB)

But some are so certain that faith in Christ does not fulfill the law of Moses.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

But the fact is, we all deal with it INTERNALLY in the case of everyone of us. No one makes "indwelling sin" or "evil present" with them, obey. They can certainly lie about it though.

Who is this that says this? I want to know so I can explain to them that we are to put sin to death, by the Holy Spirit, not try to reform it.

 

[smaller]

Who is this that says this? I want to know so I can explain to them that we are to put sin to death, by the Holy Spirit, not try to reform it.

We "carry" our own "internal" enemy to "our" death on our respective crosses.

This IS what it means to carry our own cross, daily. Paul nailed his own dead body to the cross every day of his flesh life, because of the presence of evil and indwelling sin, which is of the DEVIL.

There is no "reformation" to that working. It is continually put to death until "real death" of the flesh transpires.

 

[Sparkey]

Ah, yes. Another example of how faith in Christ fulfills the law, yet not in a literal to the letter of the law way, yet fulfills it nonetheless.

TWIST it as you like, hen-pecker, but we know that was not what God wanted. What does "everlasting covenant" mean? Do you think that Joshua was wrong to re-establish the everlasting covenant of circumcision made with Abraham? They were NOT fulfilling the law through faith, they were neglecting it and being disobedient.

Do you really think what you said is the truth there? I can't tell if you're jesting or not.

Because you have great wit, I can tell that you are energized by this... so you will ignore the intent and keep playing, but it's my sincere prayer that you will someday be reminded by an angel who hears without you hearing and who is willing to take the message that I carry and keep it for the day that you are able to listen. It's a parable in that way. Given so that hearing you will not hear.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Temporary (probably) lockdown while I take some time to review the thread