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SALVATION
- Thread starter Cornelius
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I differ, because I do not believe salvation is stepping over a line and that is it. That is the greasy gospel of our time and has nothing to do with the Biblical view.
In the Biblical view, we start this road towards salvation when we believe in Christ and the DONE works of the cross. But after this belief, we have to lay down our old ways and old life so we can take up the New life of Christ. We have to manifest our salvation on the road TO salvation. Thirty, sixty or a hundred fold. Its not negotiable with the Lord . Lay your life down and live or else no salvation at the end of your road.Luk 17:33 Whosoever shall seek to gain his (soul)life shall lose it: but whosoever shall lose [his life] shall preserve it (eternal life)
We need to lay down our psych? our "soul life" if we want to take up our Zoe or God-life.
To keep it simple, I will stop here first, because that surely is clear for all who read the Bible without their own doctrine-glasses.There are other conditions as well.
In the Biblical view, we start this road towards salvation when we believe in Christ and the DONE works of the cross. But after this belief, we have to lay down our old ways and old life so we can take up the New life of Christ. We have to manifest our salvation on the road TO salvation. Thirty, sixty or a hundred fold. Its not negotiable with the Lord . Lay your life down and live or else no salvation at the end of your road.Luk 17:33 Whosoever shall seek to gain his (soul)life shall lose it: but whosoever shall lose [his life] shall preserve it (eternal life)
We need to lay down our psych? our "soul life" if we want to take up our Zoe or God-life.
To keep it simple, I will stop here first, because that surely is clear for all who read the Bible without their own doctrine-glasses.There are other conditions as well.
Cornelius said:
Whoa....I must say, you have a far different view of what it means to be a Christian than I do.
Let's look at what the Word says about the tares. It says quite plainly the tares are sown by the enemy, they are the children of the wicked one. They were never Christians. These are the false prophets, the fake Christians, the workers of iniquity. The righteous and the unrighteous grow together until the harvest. Look in our churches...we have the saved and unsaved side by side. You can't possibly think imposters can be counted as children of God.
A man must be born again to be a Christian. If a man is born again, he will produce the fruit of the Spirit...whether small of great...there will be fruit. Jesus sows the good seed. You can't think the tares are sown by Him. They're weeds....vetch...a climbing creeping weed that takes over a field. They were sown by the enemy....sown to disrupt the growth of the good seed. Trouble makers and false teachers in our midst, but not believers. Now in the real world, they can repent and become new creatures. They can become good seed and produce fruit.
Matthew 13 said:
Cornelius said:
Being born again a new creature. It's being filled with the Holy Spirit. We don't grow into salvation.
We hear the call, we repent...are filled with the Spirit and begin eternity as a child of God.
There are no other conditions. When one's heart is circumcised...just like the other circumcision, it's a done deal. When one is washed by the blood of our Savior, we can never be dirtied by sin again, because His righeousness is imputed to us. We aren't tares sown by the enemy, stuggling under the law in order to earn our salvation. Eternal life is what we're born into...not dead in sin, alive, dead, alive, dead...depending on our walk. We're seated with Christ in heavenly places. Are we cast down like satan was? No, when we're born again we're seated with Jesus.
No Christian is his right mind would take the Mark. Not a good example.
Bro, and I hope you are my bro. Im going to bow out of this debate, which isnt a debate.
I dont like greasy false gospels, not even discussing them.
I hope you realise the truth one day. Because until then (you may be saved) but you do not know your Lord yet. And you are missing out by trying to earn his love and live up standard that has been given to you (imputed to you for righteousness) as a free gift that cost Christ everything. Please stop spitting on the gospel.
You are a saint if you are saved, you are a son of the most high God, you are a royal preist hood. You are royalty.
Bro, and I hope you are my bro. Im going to bow out of this debate, which isnt a debate.
I dont like greasy false gospels, not even discussing them.
I hope you realise the truth one day. Because until then (you may be saved) but you do not know your Lord yet. And you are missing out by trying to earn his love and live up standard that has been given to you (imputed to you for righteousness) as a free gift that cost Christ everything. Please stop spitting on the gospel.
You are a saint if you are saved, you are a son of the most high God, you are a royal preist hood. You are royalty.
There are no non-Christians in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Mat 13:24 Another parable set he before them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man that sowed good seed in his field:
Mat 13:25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares also among the wheat, and went away.
Mat 13:26 But when the blade sprang up and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
Notice the difference here is .....fruit.
Mat 13:24 Another parable set he before them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man that sowed good seed in his field:
Mat 13:25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares also among the wheat, and went away.
Mat 13:26 But when the blade sprang up and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
Notice the difference here is .....fruit.
glorydaz said:
Jesus disagrees with you. He washed the FEET of the disciples to point to the fact that the Word (Jesus) MUST wash out walk. Our bodies are clean because of His blood and sacrifice , but our walk can still be wrong. Please notice that even though Peter's "body" was clean, Jesus said Peter has no part in Him, IF He did not wash His feet (walk)
It does not matter if your body has been washed and then after that your walk stinks.The salvation is not manifested.
Jhn 13:8 Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.
Jhn 13:9 Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.
Jhn 13:10 Jesus saith to him, He that is bathed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.
Those who do not have their walk (feet) washed by the Word, has not part in Him.
Panin said:Cornelius said:Panin said:
Well good luck to you brother. Why warn Christians about the mark, if Christians cannot take it.
Because they will become the saints of the tribulation if they reject the mark. These are the ones who will be required to hold out unil the end.
We dont warn Christians about the mark. We already know about it.
Cornelius said:
No true believer can ever lose his salvation.
We have the Holy Spirit living in our hearts.
The Word tells us we're not to worry about tomorrow, I don't.
Sufficient today is the evil thereof. If I were to worry about the mark of the beast, I'd be lacking faith in the power of God to keep me and guide me. I'd be going before the Lord, and leaning on my own understanding. I simply won't do that.
Keep your eyes upon Jesus...nothing else matters.
Cornelius said:There are no non-Christians in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Mat 13:24 Another parable set he before them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man that sowed good seed in his field:
Mat 13:25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares also among the wheat, and went away.
Mat 13:26 But when the blade sprang up and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
Notice the difference here is .....fruit.
Yes, the fruit of the spirit not the righteous works of man.
You know...love, joy, peace, longsuffering...that kind of fruit.
They are the mark of a spirit filled believer.
We obey His voice, not walking after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Panin said:Cornelius said:Panin said:
Well good luck to you brother. Why warn Christians about the mark, if Christians cannot take it.
Because they will become the saints of the tribulation if they reject the mark. These are the ones who will be required to hold out until the end.
What happens to these Christians when they do not hold out to the end?
Do you mean if they die? Because they only have to hold out for about 7 years 3 and half of which will be realy, really bad, thats assuming the avoided being beheaded for refusing the mark, in which case they will meet the lord in glory. If they die of natural causes before the final retrun of Christ having refused the mark, your guess is as good as mine on that one. We do know from scripture that people do infact live through the tribulation period.