Bible Study Scripture required?

[Hopeful 2]

No!

First instance of Her creation by the power of God! Lk 1:49

Ineffabilis Deus
The Immaculate Conception
Pope Pius IX - 1854

“We declare, pronounce, and define that the doctrine which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary, in the first instance of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege granted by Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the human race, was preserved free from all stain of original sin, is a doctrine revealed by God and therefore to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful.”

There is no "original sin".
There was only the first sin.
You have built a doctrine based on a false doctrine !

 

[KV-44-v1]

First show me where the church teaches men to worship Mary the immaculate mother of God?

By peddling the rozery.
She was the mother of God's BODY. God Himself is eternal. Catholic thinking taking shortcuts!

The true doctrine is only found in scripture? Correct?

Well yes. But you might object and say "oh the apostles!" But they simply repeat the Bible's teaching. Catholicism is still unverified....
Many cults have said, "oh look!! new revelation!!" But every time, it was bogus nonsense that resulted in bad outcomes.

Those outside the new covenant church are in error

Church=body of believers. So technically, I'm a member of the Church!

It was the Virgin Mary who brought forth our salvation

Catholic word games. Mary was simply the vessel for God's Body.

JESUS was the One Who died for us - not His BODILY mother....

 

[Hopeful 2]

That’s cos there is only Jesus!
How can a perpetual virgin lead to idolatry? Worshipping her as a goddess?
Don’t see any connection here

Biblical principles

Ezekiel 44:2 “This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it; for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it shall remain shut.”

Song of Solomon 4:12 A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.


Lk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

A son singular not a family:

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Only the God-man is born of a Virgin-mother


Perpetual Virginity of Mary!

Mary conceived "without any detriment to her virginity, which remained inviolate even after his birth" (apostolic Council of the Lateran, 649) with the jurisdictional authority of Peter and the apostles in holy council! Matt 16:18 18:18 Jn 20:21-23 eph 2:20 bound on earth bound in heaven!

The Bible never says anyone is a biological child of Mary accept for Jesus Christ!

And the Bible says Her child is holy! And Her child is God!

Is 7:14 God provides a sign, a Virgin shall conceive and bear a son! (Singular, one son)

Ezekiel 44:2 “This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it; for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it shall remain shut.”

Song of Solomon 4:12 A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.

(Mary had become the temple & dwelling place of the Almighty, like the Ark of the Covenant in the Old Testament. Mary was a vessel consecrated to God alone?)

Matt 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

(The Bible says only the Holy Ghost conceived in Mary)

Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
(A son singular) (only Jesus is savior)

Lk 1:28 Hail Mary, full of Grace, the Lord is with thee!

Blessed art thou amongst all women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
(The fruit of Her womb is blessed and holy)

Lk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
(A son, singular)

Lk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
(This verse imply’s a vow of perpetual virginity, She refuses even the exalted dignity of mother of God and mother of our savior if it means violating Her vow of perpetual virginity)

I am done with your false doctrines.

 

[Humblepie]

I read from it everyday, but studying it is another story.
What would you like to know

No offense, but nothing from you as you claim it doesn't pertain to the new testament.


2 Timothy 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.


When Paul wrote this letter the old Testament was the only scripture written.

 

[KV-44-v1]

You have built a doctrine based on a false doctrine !

catholicism in a nutshell! unBiblical assumptions like the assumption of mary. yup, its an assumption alright - one with ZERO warrant!

 

[KV-44-v1]

No offense, but nothing from you as you claim it doesn't pertain to the new testament.


2 Timothy 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.


When Paul wrote this letter the old Testament was the only scripture written.

so what?? the New Testament certainly qualifies for being Scripture!

 

[KV-44-v1]

This has nothing to do with who the rock is.

Cathlloics (or mabye just Dona?) seem to use the Non Sequitur fallacy often.
False Beliefs = Weird Conclusions & logic errors.

 

[Humblepie]

so what?? the New Testament certainly qualifies for being Scripture!

I would never claim that it isn't.

 

[KV-44-v1]

immaculate conception

There;s not evidence that mary was purged of sin after birthing Jesus.
It's dumb concept that violates "ALL fall short of the glory of God."
Jesus = God so He doesn't fall short of Himself.

 

[KV-44-v1]

Vicar of christ

ANTI CHRIST!! :O
Catholicism will be involved in anti Christ rise to power, i'm sure. NO WAY cathodeism is even remotely possibly from God!

 

[KV-44-v1]

Peter is head of the church on earth in the place of Christ until His return!

A guy who died 1000 yrs ago is head of church?? You are a piece of work.

 

[KV-44-v1]

man’s religion

Good summary of catholicism.

 

[KV-44-v1]

my grace is sufficient: 2 cor 12:9

BOOYAH!! JESUS IS SUFFICIENT!! WE DO NOT NEED FAKE IMAGINARY PURGATORY. NO ROZERY. NO MARYOLOGY. NONE OF CATHOLIC CORRUPTION.
JUST TRUST THE PLAIN BIBLICAL TEACHING!!

 

[Hopeful 2]

No offense, but nothing from you, as you claim it doesn't pertain to the new testament.

I might surprise you.

2 Timothy 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
When Paul wrote this letter the old Testament was the only scripture written.

Agreed, and from it the apostles ascertained that Jesus needed to die and be raised again...as per OT scriptures.
As I agree with their findings, there isn't much point of me searching for anything else, on that topic.

 

[Hopeful 2]

catholicism in a nutshell! unBiblical assumptions like the assumption of mary. yup, its an assumption alright - one with ZERO warrant!

Yep.
I was raised as a catholic, going to eight years of grade school with them.
Even as a young boy, I often wondered if anyone actually believed what we were taught, as nobody obeyed God all the time.

 

[KV-44-v1]

Yep.
I was raised as a catholic, going to eight years of grade school with them.
Even as a young boy, I often wondered if anyone actually believed what we were taught, as nobody obeyed God all the time.

"You shall tell them by their fruits!"
Based on examination of fruit, Catholic Church has produced much bad fruit. Still does today.

 

[Hopeful 2]

"You shall tell them by their fruits!"
Based on examination of fruit, Catholic Church has produced much bad fruit. Still does today.

Agreed, but so do the protestant ones !
Thanks be to God that the real, original church has survived all these years!

 

[miamited]

Huh?
Are we on the same planet?

Matt 3:2
And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Matt 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Matt 16:19
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Lk 22:29
And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Hi donadams

Yes it is at hand.

Now, were you going somewhere with this as far as making this argument that there's some special 'church' that we all need to belong to?

God bless,
Ted

 

[Humblepie]

None of that OT stuff applies to the NT.

As I agree with their findings, there isn't much point of me searching for anything else, on that topic.

I might surprise you.

Agreed, and from it the apostles ascertained that Jesus needed to die and be raised again...as per OT scriptures.
As I agree with their findings, there isn't much point of me searching for anything else, on that topic.

You agreed that 2 Timothy 3:16 is truth,

So what in the OT scripture doesn't apply to the NT?

 

[Humblepie]

Thanks be to God that the real, original church has survived all these years!

What is the real original church?