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[Hopeful 2]

Church as spiritual body of believers is a condemned heresy

The church is
visible
Invisible
Physical
Spiritual

And governed by the apostles

Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesars) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Daniel 6:26
I make a decree, That in every dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel: for he is the living God, and stedfast for ever, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed, and his dominion shall be even unto the end.

Daniel 7:14
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Matt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Rev 21: 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

Gal 4:26 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Holy mother church!

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; see Isa 22:21-22
(Keys of the kingdom / jurisdictional authority) Matt 16:17-19

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Matt 21:43 taken from Israel given to Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18-19 18:18 Jn 20:21 eph 2:20

The real church isn't governed by anyone but God.
Do you see your error ?
You have turned over your leadership to men !

 

[Humblepie]

The first church is The Church By Christ Jesus (Eph 3:21)

Actually the first church, which we are definitely a part of, was mentioned in Acts 7:38.

The Roman Catholic church came about 300 years after Christ died, and the merged pagan beliefs along with Christian beliefs in order to appeal to more cultures and religions.
They claim they are the same church as the apostles but they're not.

 

[miamited]

Yes the one founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles that all men flow unto!!!

Hi donadams

I'm not sure that you mean some universalist salvation by saying that 'all men flow into'. But yes, the fellowship of believers. The congregating of such groups on a fairly regular basis. That then becomes the church insofar as those who are in attendance are true believers. That 'church' has always been with us since the days in which the Holy Spirit started it all. Believers have lived and died and spent their lives supporting and living out the love of Jesus through those with whom they are enjoined.

Do you believe that the letters Jesus sent out in the account of the Revelation went out to different churches, or was it one church? I ask, because in those he has some praise and some complaint concerning their activities among the believers. So, I think Jesus understands that there can be some error among those who gather as his church.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Hopeful 2]

Actually the first church, which we are definitely a part of, was mentioned in Acts 7:38.

It is the same church throughout history.
In the NT, it got the name it uses now.

The Roman Catholic church came about 300 years after Christ died, and the merged pagan beliefs along with Christian beliefs in order to appeal to more cultures and religions.
They claim they are the same church as the apostles but they're not.

Agreed.

 

[donadams]

Your version of "original" means...forever covering the human race at birth.
Original ONLY means first.

Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

 

[donadams]

The real church isn't governed by anyone but God.
Do you see your error ?
You have turned over your leadership to men !

Do they have care for our souls?
Are they not pastors under the chief bishop and pastor of our souls?

 

[donadams]

The real church isn't governed by anyone but God.
Do you see your error ?
You have turned over your leadership to men !

The new covenant church is a kingdom and Christ is King and Mary is Queen!

No king administers his own kingdom but appoints an administer a prime minister over other ministers
Isa 22:21-22
Matt 16:17-19
Matt 18:18

Joseph was the administrator for pharaoh by God’s will and his brothers are required to obey Him!

 

[donadams]

Hi donadams

I'm not sure that you mean some universalist salvation by saying that 'all men flow into'. But yes, the fellowship of believers. The congregating of such groups on a fairly regular basis. That then becomes the church insofar as those who are in attendance are true believers. That 'church' has always been with us since the days in which the Holy Spirit started it all. Believers have lived and died and spent their lives supporting and living out the love of Jesus through those with whom they are enjoined.

Do you believe that the letters Jesus sent out in the account of the Revelation went out to different churches, or was it one church? I ask, because in those he has some praise and some complaint concerning their activities among the believers. So, I think Jesus understands that there can be some error among those who gather as his church.

God bless,
Ted

To the universal church at a specific location, but notice each one has a bishop the the people obey!

No not universal salvation, scripture says men seek or flow unto the one true church

 

[miamited]

To the universal church at a specific location, but notice each one has a bishop the the people obey!

No not universal salvation, scripture says men seek or flow unto the one true church

Yes, every fellowship has a local pastor/bishop/leader (fill in the word that suits you) that is the overseer of that body of the church. In my fellowship, the senior pastor is a Dr. Cox.

Please provide me with that Scriptural reference that says "men seek or flow unto the one true church'.

God bless,
Ted

 

[donadams]

Yes, every fellowship has a local pastor/bishop/leader (fill in the word that suits you) that is the overseer of that body of the church. In my fellowship, the senior pastor is a Dr. Cox.

Please provide me with that Scriptural reference that says "men seek or flow unto the one true church'.

God bless,
Ted

The new covenant church is the kingdom of God!

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Notice it did NOT say "all were made sinners" ?
That verse made me feel grateful to have profited from Jesus' resurrection to make me righteous.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Do they have care for our souls?

Pastors are supposed to.

Are they not pastors under the chief bishop and pastor of our souls?

The real ones are pastors under God.

 

[Hopeful 2]

The new covenant church is a kingdom and Christ is King and Mary is Queen!

Mary has nothing to do with it.
You have errantly delivered your praise and honor from Jesus and unto His mom.
That is idolatry.

No king administers his own kingdom but appoints an administer a prime minister over other ministers
Isa 22:21-22
Matt 16:17-19
Matt 18:1
Joseph was the administrator for pharaoh by God’s will and his brothers are required to obey Him!

I sure am glad we have nobody in between ourselves and God in the NT.
"Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need." (Heb 4:16)

 

[donadams]

Pastors are supposed to.

The real ones are pastors under God.

Scripture says they must be sent not self appointed or some nebulous spiritual call

 

[donadams]

Mary has nothing to do with it.
You have errantly delivered your praise and honor from Jesus and unto His mom.
That is idolatry.

I sure am glad we have nobody in between ourselves and God in the NT.
"Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need." (Heb 4:16)

That is Mary’s throne she is full of grace and found favor Lk 1:28-30

Found our salvation lost by adam

All graces come thru Mary!

 

[donadams]

All generations call me blessed! Lk 1:
Thanksgiving in praise of Mary for bearing our savior! Matt 1:23 And finding our salvation! Lk 1:30

Praise honor veneration and devotion redound to the Glory of God who created Mary immaculate Lk 1:49 as Christ source of all grace! Jn 1:16-17

Praise, honor, veneration, and devotion are not worship, worship requires intent!

Mary all powerful advocate!
Help of Christian’s!

Mary ever virgin, mother of God, is all powerful in her prayers!

Mary’s prayers are all powerful not cos she is God but because her son is God!

and on becoming man He (Jesus) obeyed his own commandments

you might check out the one that says “honor Thy father and mother”

“My hour has not come”

The time set by almighty God for the public ministry of Christ had not come, Jesus Christ still performed the miracle cos his mother interceded, thus a higher law, “honor thy father and mother” if ANYONE else asked it would NOT have been done!
John 2

and cos of her intercession the disciples believed in Him!
Jn 2:11

Jesus said
“My hour has not come” also indicates Mary’s intimate role in salvation history!

When His has come she would be there and very involved!

Luke 2:35
(Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.

Jn 19:25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.

26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

Our spiritual mother! Rev 12:17

 

[donadams]

Mary has nothing to do with it.
You have errantly delivered your praise and honor from Jesus and unto His mom.
That is idolatry.

I sure am glad we have nobody in between ourselves and God in the NT.
"Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need." (Heb 4:16)

Nobody? You sure?

2 Corinthians 5:18
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Jn 20:21-23

 

[Humblepie]

That is Mary’s throne she is full of grace and found favor Lk 1:28-30

Found our salvation lost by adam

All graces come thru Mary!

Mary is dead, she will not be awake until Jesus returns, the dead know nothing.

 

[donadams]

Mary has nothing to do with it.
You have errantly delivered your praise and honor from Jesus and unto His mom.
That is idolatry.

I sure am glad we have nobody in between ourselves and God in the NT.
"Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need." (Heb 4:16)

Spiritual Anarchy!

No one between me and Christ!

Then you do not have Christ and are not a Christian in His new covenant church / kingdom cos you must enter by initiation of those who are in the covenant and who administer the kingdom and govern the holy church founded by Christ!

Jn 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

2 pet 1:11
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Acts 16:17
The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.

But you don’t need anyone else?

(New covenant has an ordained priestly ministry)

Mk 3:14
Matt 22:14
Jn 15:16
Acts 14:23
Acts 16:4
1 cor 9:14
1 Tim 2:7

(Sent by Christ with His authority)

Matt 28:19
Jn 20:21

(Forgive mens sins / reconcile)

Jn 20:23
2 cor 5:18

(Ministry)

Mal 1:11
Acts 1:8
acts 1:15-26
Acts 2:38-39
Rom 15:16
1 Tim 3:1-2
1 Tim 4:14
Phil 1:1
James 5:14

God always establishes peace and order in His kingdom by obedience to the hierarchical authority of the fathers who care for our souls!

Jn 20:21
21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

Lk 22:29
29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Matthew 13:11
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

1 cor 4:1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.

Matt 28:19 teach & sanctify all men unto eternal salvation.

Matt 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Jn 21:17 feed my sheep:

Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, (apostles) who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, (apostles) and submit yourselves: for they care for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

1 Tim 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you

1 John 2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.

That makes Paul and John spiritual fathers, pastors of our souls!

Obedience of the faithful Christians as opposed to spiritual anarchy!

 

[donadams]

Mary is dead, she will not be awake until Jesus returns, the dead know nothing.

What does God and scripture say?

God of the living!

Matthew 22:32
I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Jn 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Queen of heaven rev 12:1