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Scriptures that Teach Particular Redemption !

God only pardons those He has reserved !


Jer 50:20

In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I reserve.

This also speaks to Particular Redemption, for Pardon comes through Redemption as Per Eph 1:7

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

The word forgiveness is the greek word aphesis:

release from bondage or imprisonment

2) forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty

And of course we know Eph 1:7 is speaking of the Chosen in Christ Eph 1:4

Mich 7:18

18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

You see, pardoneth of the remnant, not all mankind, and this is speaking of God's Mercy, but its restricted, and so Paul writes Rom 9:18

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

He is particular about who He has mercy and pardon on !

Rom 11:4

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

You see that ? I have reserved to myself ! Thats God's Freewill doing that !

We never truly worship the True God of Heaven until we understand this !
 
savedbygrace57,

any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc) of believers only, John 1:29; 3:16; 3:17; 6:33; 12:47 1 Cor. 4:9; 2 Cor. 5:19
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Rom 11:12 is speaking about the whole of Gentiles as contrasted with the whole of the Jews. There is no particular in this verse of some part of either.

John 1:29 is of the Cosmos, which is of the entire world. There is no particular or limitation in this verse either. John 3:16 is Cosmos again, the entire world, not part of world as does vs 17. Christ saved the world, the Cosmos from death aligns with John 4:42.

John 6:33 is also Cosmos again. Christ's work is not limited to a part of something. This also aligns with Col 1:20,. II Cor 5:18-19, I Cor 15:22, Rom 5:18 all align and state quite clearly that Christ died for the world, brought life to the world, or we can say that He overcame the fall.

Same with John 12:47, the words, believers, or elect of partial or part is never in the context in these verses.

I Cor 4:9 is about the Apostles being representative of Christ's Gospel. You are really fetching for proot texts with that one.

II Cor 5:19 is also Comos, Christ redeemed, reconciled the world to God. There is no indication of any kind of limitation.

Scripturally and theologically it is an impossibility that Christ as Incarnated could limit His work on the Cross for only a few.

The word world can mean believers only, meaning only those that finally believe are the world God Loved or Christ died for !
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there is no instance in all of scripture that "world" means believers.

Or any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort is a World.
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rediculous statement, but I'm sure you need the definition to make such an erroneous theory work.

For instance all Christ's Sheep, the collection of them all unto one fold as Jesus states here Jn 10:16
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which is correct, but JOhn 10 makes a clear distinction between sheep or the sheep, and HIS sheep. Those are two distinct groups. It is the same analogy of saying all mankind, and from that group we can have believers.

One fold or one gathering or collection ! So the Collection of all Christ Sheep is a World !
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it must fit your theology but you will not find such a definition in scripture, not even in the dictionary.

So Eph 5:25 teaches Particular Redemption for only a certain People , the Church !
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NOt at all, it does not even mention or speak of redemption. Paul is comparing marriage to the relationship of Christ with His Church. Christ needed to save the world, in order that some could believe. It is all or nothing respective of Christ's work on the Cross. If He did not save all, or did lose any (John 6:39) then Christ never saved us from the fall, from death and we are all still condemned to death, dust to dust. However, if Christ did indeed die for the world, was raised, and because He was raised with our mortal nature, all men shall also have an eternal existance. I Cor 15:13-19 makes this quite clear.

Your theology of particularism makes Christ irrelevant, and non existant and quite useless in the salvation of man.
 
savedbygrace57 said:
This thread will be dedicated to showing forth the Truth of particular redemption, and that is what the scripture Teaches. To deviate from this revealed Truth is another gospel !

We will start with Matt 1:21

21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

If He is the Jesus of the scripture, or this Jesus here Rom 3:26

To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Then His Purpose was to save His People from their sins, and that's it. Nothing can be more plainer from scripture testimony here of Matt 1:21
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So, then only Jews can be saved?
 
That Jesus did not come to save all men without exception, nor to call them to Himself, is plainly intimated here Lk 5:32

32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

There is a certain segment that He did not come to call to Himself. His Purpose for them was to make blind, or to confirm them in their delusions John 9:39

39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

This verse alone should convince us that some are made vessels of wrath to be fitted for destruction ! The others, He came that they might see, in other words, the Children of the Covenant will have their blind spiritual eyes opened to See Jesus as their Saviour ! Isa 42:6-7

6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
 
Butch5 said:
You said, "His people." Jesus was Jewish and sent to the Jews.
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edited by staff. He was not a blood jew, and most of the blood jews were not His People. Thats a lie people have believed out of ignorance. His People are His Church, His Body !
 
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Isa 19:25 Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.
 
savedbygrace57 said:
edited by staff. He was not a blood jew, and most of the blood jews were not His People. Thats a lie people have believed out of ignorance. His People are His Church, His Body !
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Should we just accept your understanding?

You can say what you choose to, but you can't change the context of the Scriptures.
 
Butch5 said:
Should we just accept your understanding?

You can say what you choose to, but you can't change the context of the Scriptures.
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I am just speaking the Truth, it is up to God if you accept it or not !
 
Butch5 said:
How are you speaking the truth if it contradicts the Scriptures?
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Thats just your opinion that what I witness contradicts scripture ! My persuasion is that you do not receive the Truth of scripture that I witness of ! So we will see at the Judgment !
 
savedbygrace57 said:
Thats just your opinion that what I witness contradicts scripture ! My persuasion is that you do not receive the Truth of scripture that I witness of ! So we will see at the Judgment !
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It's not my opinion.

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (Mat 15:24 KJV)
 
John 3:16 - “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.â€

Acts 16:30-31 - “And brought them out, and said, ‘Sirs, what must I do to be saved?’ And they said, ‘Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.â€

Romans 10:8-11, 13 - “But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shall be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.â€

What part of the above don't you understand!!!!!And while we at it how do you know your not one of those whom you say can't be saved?​
 
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