Should Christians take medicine ?

[Cornelius]

Now please do not speculate about "my Greek way of thinking". Address my argument or tell me specifically what is wrong with how I approach this.

Your mistake is that your flesh wants you to believe the science part. Because if you do, you would be free from ever trying to stand in faith. The flesh fears faith, because it makes us weak. We have to let go and trust God.We are then exposed, because we come face to face with our lack of faith.So we desperately seek to justify the way of the flesh, where we can relax and be like the world. We seek the comfort that keeps us safe from the failure of a lack of faith. We spend more time on philosophies , engaging our brain to find the "logical" reason as to why it is fine with God if we opt out of faith and went for the worldly solution. We also get a lot of help from faithless preachers, who encourage us to not believe the promises, because if we do, we show them up for the frauds they really are.

When I posted this scripture on another forum 1Pe 2:24 who his own self bare our sins in his body upon the tree, that we, having died unto sins, might live unto righteousness; by whose stripes ye were healed. a pastor that posted there, told me he is not a Christian Scientist, he does not believe in that scripture. Go figure.

 

[Drew]

The general picture seems rather clear:

1. God works to achieve His purposes through the actions of those who have faith - Abraham;

2. God also works to achieve His purposes through the actions of those who do not have faith - the hardened Jews of Romans 9 to 11;

3. Therefore, we have clear scriptural precedent that, regardless of whether they have faith or not, God does indeed "work through men";

4. Therefore, it is very reasonable to assume that God will work his healing purposes through through scientists - whether or not they have faith.

 

[Cornelius]

Abraham is actually a very good example . He first tries to bring the promise into being, by using the flesh too. He chooses to "help" God a little by sleeping with the servant so she could produce the promised son.

But, God does not accept the works of the flesh. He made Abraham wait twenty years until his body and the body of Sarah was completely unable to produce children, and then He moves in to bring the miracle.

So even Abraham went to the "doctor" first, before he learned to only trust in God.

I am not accusing people, but I really want us to wake up and realize that God's way is the better way.

 

[Drew]

Your mistake is that your flesh wants you to believe the science part.

How can you possibly know what "my flesh" wants me to believe. I have presented a clear argument based on scriptural example. Why are you avoiding it and engaging in speculations about things you cannot possibly know.

What would you think if I suggested that "your flesh wants you to deny God's involvement in science"? I would not do that, since I have no knowledge of what your motivations are. So why are you speculating about mine.

Because if you do, you would be free from ever trying to stand in faith.

Clearly invalid logic. Just because I accept that God works through science does not have any implications regarding my willingness to stand in faith.

My arguments remain unchallenged - and they do not involve my speculating about your motives, so please don't speculate about mine - God has a proven track record from the Bible of using men - believers and unbelievers alike - to fulfill his purposes.

So why can He not use medical technology? Please answer the question without speculating about who has proper faith and who does not.

 

[Drew]

Abraham is actually a very good example . He first tries to bring the promise into being, by using the flesh too. He chooses to "help" God a little by sleeping with the servant so she could produce the promised son.

But, God does not accept the works of the flesh. He made Abraham wait twenty years until his body and the body of Sarah was completely unable to produce children, and then He moves in to bring the miracle.

So what? God still worked through Abraham. So why can He not work through scientists? What makes Abraham special? His faith? Well, we know from Romans 9 to 11 that God uses unbelieving Jews as part of the plan to bring salvation to Gentiles.

I am not accusing people, but I really want us to wake up and realize that God's way is the better way.

This is a question-begging way to frame things. The very matter on the table is whether God can "use" medical technology. And the Biblical evidence shows that this is entirely possible.

To repeat - as per Romans 9 to 11, God used unbelieving Jews to achieve His purposes. So why not unbelieving scientists?

 

[Cornelius]

You guys are aware the Alchemy is witch craft, and chemistry is a descendant of Alchemy. Chemistry is the changing and the observation of changes in energy. Energy manipulation is witchcraft.

Medicine relies on chemistry to create its elixirs, and potions to cure the body.

When Germ theory first appeared on the scene, the church didn't like it that much.

Yes I know

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[Cornelius]

So what? God still worked through Abraham. So why can He not work through scientists? What makes Abraham special? His faith? Well, we know from Romans 9 to 11 that God uses unbelieving Jews as part of the plan to bring salvation to Gentiles.

Hhe finally gave up and had faith that his own works will not save him. So God could then go ahead and produce the miracle.
Yes God will use everything to His advantage. He said He created "vessels of dishonor" to achieve His purpose to manifest His sons on this earth.

This is a question-begging way to frame things. The very matter on the table is whether God can "use" medical technology. And the Biblical evidence shows that this is entirely possible.

Oh its entirely possible. God is not in a box. But the question should rather be if it is His will for us, or is faith His will for us.

To repeat - as per Romans 9 to 11, God used unbelieving Jews to achieve His purposes. So why not unbelieving scientists?

Because He told us that we are healed through His stripes.

 

[Cornelius]

What makes Abraham special? His faith?

Jas 2:23 and the scripture was fulfilled which saith, And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness; and he was called the friend of God.

Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed to go out unto a place which he was to receive for an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, being tried, offered up Isaac: yea, he that had gladly received the promises was offering up his only begotten son;

You do know what this scripture means ? Heb 11:6 and without faith it is impossible to be well-pleasing unto him; for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that seek after him.

 

[Cornelius]

God is not doing too well.

Preventable medical mistakes and infections are responsible for about 200,000 deaths in the U.S. each year, according to an investigation by the Hearst media corporation. The report comes 10 years after the Institute of Medicine's "To Err Is Human" analysis, which found that 44,000 to 98,000 people were dying annually due to these errors and called for the medical community and government to cut that number in half by 2004.

So are you going to take the vaccination against the swine flu ?

THE TRAGEDY OF VACCINATIONS The chiIdren you will meet here suffered a severe reaction to a routine DPT (diphtheria. pertussis, tetanus), MMR (measles, mumps. rubella), or OPV (oral polio) vaccine. They are only a few of the thousands of children who have died or been left with medication resistant seizure disorders, mental retardation, physical handicaps, learning disabilities or other chronic illnesses after a reaction to a routine vaccination.

A friend of mine had a reaction to a normal medicine. Today he is totally paralyzed from the neck down. He cannot even speak. He only has the use of his fingers, so he is able to type a message on his phone to send a text message. He cannot eat, he can only drink , so every day he drinks the same drink to stay alive. He is almost fifty and his mother's back gave in last week so she cannot bath him anymore. They are poor but must get somebody in to wash him twice a week, since she cannot anymore .All because of a little pill.

 

[Cornelius]

Here is one for the parents who love their children , but refuse to pray and trust God.

Vaccines contain THIMERSOL (mercury), MSG, aluminum, formaldehyde, sucrose and phenoxyethanol, which is antifreeze, among many other things. Thimerosal, a vaccine ingredient, is nearly 50% mercury. Mercury is a NEUROTOXIN. EPA 'safe' levels are: .1 microgram per 1.0 kilogram of body weight per day. Vaccines contain 12.5 to 25.0 micrograms of mercury, and a 'well baby' visit can see your child have between 50 and 62.5 mcgs of MERCURY injected into their bloodstream. The CDC (US) has found a trend linking autism to mercury laden vaccines. Thimerosal is a registered pesticide with the Department of Pesticide Registration of the Environmental Protection Agency.



I am sorry, but this does not sound like God using man to heal.

 

[Joe67]

Here are some guiding testimonies by the Spirit of Jesus. These are not rules to learn. They are testimonies to hear.

1 Cor 7:19
19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. KJV

Gal 5:6
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. KJV

Gal 6:15-16
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God. KJV

Rom 14:1-4
14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. KJV

Joe

 

[lovely]

Jesus cooked fish, was that witchcraft? It's chemistry.

God never condemns medicine. Jesus is the 'balm' of Gilead...Jeremiah...He would never be compared to anything evil. A merry heart is like good medicine, proverbs. The Good samaritan attended the wounds and cleaned them with wine and applied oil. Luke was a physician. Isaiah speaks to binding wounds, and applying ointment. The leaves on the Tree of Life are for medicine, the healing of the nations, ezekiel and revelation. A plaster of figs is somewhere too.

I think we should not seek after enchantments, wizards, witches, or familiar spririts, etc., but I don't see anywhere in the word where medicine is considered evil. That being said, I think we need to ultimately trust God for our healing, use discernment when using medicines and vaccinations, but do all according to the Spirit's leading.

I think we should also be aware of those wolves who come to us diguised as God's men, as faith healers, who only prey on the weak, the sick, the feeble, and the elderly in order to gain riches. They tell them to believe, tell them they are healed, not actually having the Spirit or the gift, and then blame the people for a lack of faith when it does not prove to be true. It is not always God's will to heal our bodies, either, even with medicine. These men, and women, are deceivers, and they cause people to avoid common sense medicines and proper care from doctors at times.

 

[mondar]

Should Christians take medicine ?

Only if the pills are good tasting.

 

[jasoncran]

Here is one for the parents who love their children , but refuse to pray and trust God.

Vaccines contain THIMERSOL (mercury), MSG, aluminum, formaldehyde, sucrose and phenoxyethanol, which is antifreeze, among many other things. Thimerosal, a vaccine ingredient, is nearly 50% mercury. Mercury is a NEUROTOXIN. EPA 'safe' levels are: .1 microgram per 1.0 kilogram of body weight per day. Vaccines contain 12.5 to 25.0 micrograms of mercury, and a 'well baby' visit can see your child have between 50 and 62.5 mcgs of MERCURY injected into their bloodstream. The CDC (US) has found a trend linking autism to mercury laden vaccines. Thimerosal is a registered pesticide with the Department of Pesticide Registration of the Environmental Protection Agency.



I am sorry, but this does not sound like God using man to heal.

do you use lights (fluorenscient). Those have so much mercury that they have to be recycled not disposed of in the dump, ie fines and other penalties, clean water who needs it. the computer you are using may have mercury in it. You drive and if your work on your brakes. You get abstestos into your lungs and you can have serious health problems. I guess that makes all man made things evil.(satanic)

Mecury to my knowlede hasn't been used in years. My wife once thought she had mecury poisining and was tested. She even has mercury analgrams(fillings) in her molar( used to ). That tooth was pulled. Cars also use mercury switches. Where do we go from here back to horse and buggy. Myself and one another have been poked and prodded with many shots on this fourum.That includes ANTHRAX.

jason

 

[Tina]

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I wish I don't have to take sinus pill every morning.... Costs US $ 1.5 per pill ......


..... : ......... :verysick .............. :bigsneeze .......... :bigcry

 

[Cornelius]

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I wish I don't have to take sinus pill every morning.... Costs US $ 1.5 per pill ......


..... : ......... :verysick .............. :bigsneeze .......... :bigcry

Well dear sister, let me be the one who gives you the good news. You have been healed at the cross already.1Pe 2:24 ....... by whose stripes ye were healed.
If you can believe that the Word is true and that Jesus indeed already healed you at the cross, you may have that healing. And its paid for, you do not have to pay even $1.5

If you believe, then I will pray for you and you WILL be healed.

C

 

[Tina]

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I believe .... I believe .......... ......... .......... :amen

.

 

[Cornelius]

Well then the healing is yours . If there are any people you need to forgive in your life, you need to do so now. God cannot hear if we are in unforgiveness .


Father, we both thank you Lord for your healing power. We thank you for the stripes of Jesus and the healing that came through them. I pray that you touch my sister right now and heal her from her sinus. We thank you for that healing Lord. We thank you too that your word says that where two agree it shall be done. We two agree Lord on Your Word, so it will be done according to our faith.
Praise You Lord and thank you. In Jesus Name.

1Pe 2:24 who his own self bare our sins in his body upon the tree, that we, having died unto sins, might live unto righteousness; by whose stripes ye were healed.

Mat 18:19 Again I say unto you, that if two of you shall agree on earth as touching anything that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father who is in heaven.

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

The issue is not(for christians) IF God can work through any man. Yes He can. The issue is for christians what Gods will and desire for us is.

Does God desire more that His children should be treated with doctors and scientists and methods of the world, that often cause reactions, side effects, money etc... and that give Him little glory and take no or little faith?

OR

Does God desire more that His children look to His promises and work on the cross and covenants trusting only in Him so that all glory is given to Him and Him alone, to recieve His grace which is free, perfect, with no side effects, no reactions, no lasting damage, where faith in Him is walked in, as the just shall live by faith and where they rely on Him as their faithful Dad in all matters of their lives which really are not even their own but belong to him?

Now the arguement is being made that God can work through sciencists, men beleivers or unbeleievers. TRUE. The question is what is the biblical example of what God desires and provides and does for HIS children? What do we see more in scripture, Gods people coming to HIM for healing, deliverance, repentance, forgiveness, provision by faith and recieving it or them going to the world?

Why did Jesus not walk around directing people to go see the physicans or try some medicines first? Why did he tell all who came to him by faith that they were healed, their faith has made them whole? Why does God give healing promises all through the word of God and even call himself YHWH RAPHA The Lord my HEALER.

If God desires more that His people should seek unbelievers or medicines or doctors why does He makes covenatal promises about healing us? Why did Jesus take stripes to heal us and to bare our sicknesses on His body?

Isa 53:4 ¶ Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Now many say that His stripes only spiritually heal us, but the same verse is shown in scripture to be for physical healing as well as also deliverance from demons.

Mat 8:16 ¶ When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with [his] word, and healed all that were sick:
Mat 8:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare [our] sicknesses.

People often do not connect the dots all together. Jesus bore our curse becomming a curse for us by hanging on a tree. All death and sickness and bondage came from the fall of sin upon man and Jesus died to redeem us and set us free of the totality of the curse.

Christians should live and walk by faith. that is the only way to please God and that is how the just live. Now faith is a walk and some have more faith than others and some have heard the word of God more than others by which our faith grows and increases.
If a person is sick and they do not yet have the faith then they should use wisdom and go to a doctor because their faith will not carry them through a trial of faith in that matter yet, but that does not mean they should do so without also using that as an opportunity to believe God for healing in smaller matters and to hear the word of God in that area that their faith may grow, that they will walk justly and pleasing coming to know God better and trust him more fully so that as they grow more and more glory in their lives will be given to God alone without physical means for what is already spiritually accomplished.

 

[Cornelius]

If a person is sick and they do not yet have the faith then they should use wisdom and go to a doctor because their faith will not carry them through a trial of faith in that matter yet, but that does not mean they should do so without also using that as an opportunity to believe God for healing in smaller matters and to hear the word of God in that area that their faith may grow, that they will walk justly and pleasing coming to know God better and trust him more fully so that as they grow more and more glory in their lives will be given to God alone without physical means for what is already spiritually accomplished.

Amen. Do not go where you have no faith to go. But we are to be open to learn. We must start somewhere. We must want to be found in faith. Faith grows. The Word brings that faith when it takes root in our hearts. And we must not pull others down who have chosen to walk in faith.

There is no LAW here, there is only the desire to walk in the way provided by God through Jesus. He showed us the way, not we have to walk in it: step by step.