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Should I publicly correct my teacher?

for_his_glory said:
Not sure as this person does not share the same IP address with the one T.E had as Jeff already looked into this, but will report this to Jeff.
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If a group or a person is banned or eschewed why do some think to simply go back in stealth and argue all day to change others ?


Seldom do sides change on the internet .I'm not against debates or discussion but honestly forums are more about the flesh ,and egos then anything .
 
jasonc said:
If a group or a person is banned or eschewed why do some think to simply go back in stealth and argue all day to change others ?


Seldom do sides change on the internet .I'm not against debates or discussion but honestly forums are more about the flesh ,and egos then anything .
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This is how that get their jollies I guess and then eventually move on. Nothing is hidden that God does not see.
 
T. E. Smith said:
I still care about what the Bible says, and I care about it being taught accurately
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So you don't want to twist it, and use it to try to be socially manipulative? I don't wish to be derogatory, but that is usually where ex-Christians end up. They usually do not admit they are ex-Christian, however. It is this sort of person who is really politically oriented who holds to one of these key subversive doctrines. They are subversive because they intend to undermine the fulfilled law of Moses, such that the law of the land is the only authority, and so they are the leaven of Herodianism. Eternal security is one, and universalism is the other. OSAS, and ESAR. Once saved always saved, and everybody saved and resurrected. Most of the protestant Churches fall under one or the other of these categories. That's why I'm a BBC: Bible Believing Christian. The fulfilled law of Moses is the moral law, and the ceremonial law is obsolete. The law of the land cannot save you. They can only offer the freedom of death.

The freedom of Christ begins with 2Pe_2:20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. Sin pollutes. Faith sanctifies. Creation is for real. Mentalists delude themselves. Reality is not all in your mind. Creation requires Power, and you did not do it. It's OK, I understand. I was saved as a boy, then became agnostic in government school until my 20s, when I started to seek. You are seeking. Now you are finding.

If you leave church at your age, it will be difficult for you, for women usually need a Christian social environment more than men. It is better to not be to obtrusive in voicing your opinion in the average church setting. Focus on being thankful for what you have, and build upon the rock.
 
I completely understand your concern. It is unsuitable for teachers to spread incorrect information, especially to young impressionable children. In that case, it's worth speaking out. But before publicly correcting them, try addressing them privately. They may turn out to be more open-minded than you think. If that doesn't work, then feel free to speak in front of the class. Also, on a completely different note, have you considered becoming a Teaching Assistant to learn firsthand how things work? I think you will enjoy it, and I wish you the best of luck.
 
T. E. Smith said:
My three Sunday school teachers all subscribe to the doctrine of eternal security and thus argue that if someone falls away, they were never saved. They often speak of this to my classmates, some of whom as young as 10. I consider the idea very wrong, and I don't want the kids to be indoctrinated into it. Should I speak up publicly and correct the teachers? I could speak to them in private, but I'm certain that their views would not change at all, and it would still leave the children believing this false doctrine.
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Why publically? Call them aside and reason from the scriptures, but likely they will not listen as you mentioned. Most do not change when they find out they are not teaching truth. Most likely you will have to seek out those who are practicing the truth.

The Bible points out that if a born again/spirit anointed Christian falls away there is no ransom for them which is what God says maam, but for the standard Christian that does not apply. Salvation is yet future anyway. Heb 6:4-6
 
Highway54 said:
Why publically? Call them aside and reason from the scriptures, but likely they will not listen as you mentioned. Most do not change when they find out they are not teaching truth. Most likely you will have to seek out those who are practicing the truth.

The Bible points out that if a born again/spirit anointed Christian falls away there is no ransom for them which is what God says maam, but for the standard Christian that does not apply. Salvation is yet future anyway. Heb 6:4-6
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He is banned from this page
 
T. E. Smith said:
My three Sunday school teachers all subscribe to the doctrine of eternal security and thus argue that if someone falls away, they were never saved. They often speak of this to my classmates, some of whom as young as 10. I consider the idea very wrong, and I don't want the kids to be indoctrinated into it. Should I speak up publicly and correct the teachers? I could speak to them in private, but I'm certain that their views would not change at all, and it would still leave the children believing this false doctrine.
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Hi T. E. Smith

Let me lay out a situation and I'd like your answer, as it applies from what you've gleaned from the Scriptures. Let me first say that I'm not pushing either way.

We all know the faithful Rev. Billy Graham and his giving of his very life to always be proclaiming and explaining the gospel and the call of God, through His Son, to eternal life with Him. However, there's another man, who was a contemporary of Mr. Graham. His name is Charles Templeton and Mr. Templeton actually worked with Billy on some of his efforts. He co-founded Youth for Christ International. He held nearly as many revivals as his contemporary. He was active pretty much all of his adult life in preaching the gospel and leading others to the knowledge of God's salvation through Jesus. He professed his faith in the Lord in 1936, and in 1945 met up with Mr. Graham and the two became friends. They actually roomed together during a YFC event in 1946.

In 1957 he turned his back on Jesus and declared himself agnostic. It is reported that his major claim against the possibility of the loving God that he had grown to know, was all the suffering in the world. However, there was a day in which he had a conversation with Billy and I just want to post that here for everyone's consideration.

Now, I'm on these boards as a firm YEC. I fully and faithfully believe that the entire universe that surrounds our planet did not exist 7,000 years ago, as we measure years. That the God who explains Himself in His own testimony of Himself, did know that when He caused to be written 6 days for the duration of the creation event, He knew that we knew what a day was and the length thereof. His six days, since the length of day is established by the rotation of the earth, were pretty much the same length as ours today. But, I find it odd that his early loss of faith seems to have been tied to that very issue:

In the course of our conversation I said, “But, Billy, it’s simply not possible any longer to believe, for instance, the biblical account of creation. The world was not created over a period of days a few thousand years ago; it has evolved over millions of years. It’s not a matter of speculation; it’s a demonstrable fact.”

These are his own words written by his own hand in his book, "Fairwell to God: My Reasons for Rejecting the Christian Faith".

What do you think? Saved and lost it or never saved at all? And for extra points: Does it really matter what we believe about what God's word tells us in His account of the creation of all things?

You see, the problem really isn't just the 6 days and the 6,000 years. God's account of the creation falls apart in just about every method that man's science can conceive. For example: It's also not possible that plants were created thousands/millions of years before the sun. It's also not possible that the earth pre-exists every other heavenly body out there. So, as I see it, when we begin to allow the cracks that man's scientific observations 'prove' against God's explanation...it's a slow fade. When you give yourself away.

God bless,
Ted
 
miamited said:
Hi T. E. Smith

Let me lay out a situation and I'd like your answer, as it applies from what you've gleaned from the Scriptures. Let me first say that I'm not pushing either way.

We all know the faithful Rev. Billy Graham and his giving of his very life to always be proclaiming and explaining the gospel and the call of God, through His Son, to eternal life with Him. However, there's another man, who was a contemporary of Mr. Graham. His name is Charles Templeton and Mr. Templeton actually worked with Billy on some of his efforts. He co-founded Youth for Christ International. He held nearly as many revivals as his contemporary. He was active pretty much all of his adult life in preaching the gospel and leading others to the knowledge of God's salvation through Jesus. He professed his faith in the Lord in 1936, and in 1945 met up with Mr. Graham and the two became friends. They actually roomed together during a YFC event in 1946.

In 1957 he turned his back on Jesus and declared himself agnostic. It is reported that his major claim against the possibility of the loving God that he had grown to know, was all the suffering in the world. However, there was a day in which he had a conversation with Billy and I just want to post that here for everyone's consideration.

Now, I'm on these boards as a firm YEC. I fully and faithfully believe that the entire universe that surrounds our planet did not exist 7,000 years ago, as we measure years. That the God who explains Himself in His own testimony of Himself, did know that when He caused to be written 6 days for the duration of the creation event, He knew that we knew what a day was and the length thereof. His six days, since the length of day is established by the rotation of the earth, were pretty much the same length as ours today. But, I find it odd that his early loss of faith seems to have been tied to that very issue:

In the course of our conversation I said, “But, Billy, it’s simply not possible any longer to believe, for instance, the biblical account of creation. The world was not created over a period of days a few thousand years ago; it has evolved over millions of years. It’s not a matter of speculation; it’s a demonstrable fact.”

These are his own words written by his own hand in his book, "Fairwell to God: My Reasons for Rejecting the Christian Faith".

What do you think? Saved and lost it or never saved at all? And for extra points: Does it really matter what we believe about what God's word tells us in His account of the creation of all things?

You see, the problem really isn't just the 6 days and the 6,000 years. God's account of the creation falls apart in just about every method that man's science can conceive. For example: It's also not possible that plants were created thousands/millions of years before the sun. It's also not possible that the earth pre-exists every other heavenly body out there. So, as I see it, when we begin to allow the cracks that man's scientific observations 'prove' against God's explanation...it's a slow fade. When you give yourself away.

God bless,
Ted
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T.E. Smith is no longer a member here so you will not get a response from him.
 
T. E. Smith said:
My three Sunday school teachers all subscribe to the doctrine of eternal security and thus argue that if someone falls away, they were never saved. They often speak of this to my classmates, some of whom as young as 10. I consider the idea very wrong, and I don't want the kids to be indoctrinated into it. Should I speak up publicly and correct the teachers? I could speak to them in private, but I'm certain that their views would not change at all, and it would still leave the children believing this false doctrine.
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What makes you think the public approach would change their views anymore than speaking to them privately?
 
miamited said:
Hi T. E. Smith

Let me lay out a situation and I'd like your answer, as it applies from what you've gleaned from the Scriptures. Let me first say that I'm not pushing either way.

We all know the faithful Rev. Billy Graham and his giving of his very life to always be proclaiming and explaining the gospel and the call of God, through His Son, to eternal life with Him. However, there's another man, who was a contemporary of Mr. Graham. His name is Charles Templeton and Mr. Templeton actually worked with Billy on some of his efforts. He co-founded Youth for Christ International. He held nearly as many revivals as his contemporary. He was active pretty much all of his adult life in preaching the gospel and leading others to the knowledge of God's salvation through Jesus. He professed his faith in the Lord in 1936, and in 1945 met up with Mr. Graham and the two became friends. They actually roomed together during a YFC event in 1946.

In 1957 he turned his back on Jesus and declared himself agnostic. It is reported that his major claim against the possibility of the loving God that he had grown to know, was all the suffering in the world. However, there was a day in which he had a conversation with Billy and I just want to post that here for everyone's consideration.

Now, I'm on these boards as a firm YEC. I fully and faithfully believe that the entire universe that surrounds our planet did not exist 7,000 years ago, as we measure years. That the God who explains Himself in His own testimony of Himself, did know that when He caused to be written 6 days for the duration of the creation event, He knew that we knew what a day was and the length thereof. His six days, since the length of day is established by the rotation of the earth, were pretty much the same length as ours today. But, I find it odd that his early loss of faith seems to have been tied to that very issue:

In the course of our conversation I said, “But, Billy, it’s simply not possible any longer to believe, for instance, the biblical account of creation. The world was not created over a period of days a few thousand years ago; it has evolved over millions of years. It’s not a matter of speculation; it’s a demonstrable fact.”

These are his own words written by his own hand in his book, "Fairwell to God: My Reasons for Rejecting the Christian Faith".

What do you think? Saved and lost it or never saved at all? And for extra points: Does it really matter what we believe about what God's word tells us in His account of the creation of all things?

You see, the problem really isn't just the 6 days and the 6,000 years. God's account of the creation falls apart in just about every method that man's science can conceive. For example: It's also not possible that plants were created thousands/millions of years before the sun. It's also not possible that the earth pre-exists every other heavenly body out there. So, as I see it, when we begin to allow the cracks that man's scientific observations 'prove' against God's explanation...it's a slow fade. When you give yourself away.

God bless,
Ted
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Who said the earth pre-existed every other heavenly body?
 
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