Should We Hate Judas Iscariot?

[NooneSpecial]

Can we end the who has the correct interpretation contest and get back on topic?

Clearly there is a matter of interpretation difference here. There really is no need for rudeness to one another over it.

As for the topic....the question was Should we hate Judas Iscariot.

Judas as a once physically existing human being with feelings and conscience like the rest of us is one that truly is one in which teaches or sets the perfect example why we need Jesus so much in our lives. Judas sinned. Of that there is no doubt. He clearly felt some form of guilt or remorse. That has been demonstrated in the scripture provided by some of you. The possibilities in terms of his salvation God alone knows the truth of.

Because he betrayed Jesus though...does that mean he should be a subject of all believers' animousity?

 

[walter]

Can we end the who has the correct interpretation contest and get back on topic?

Clearly there is a matter of interpretation difference here. There really is no need for rudeness to one another over it.

As for the topic....the question was Should we hate Judas Iscariot.

Judas as a once physically existing human being with feelings and conscience like the rest of us is one that truly is one in which teaches or sets the perfect example why we need Jesus so much in our lives. Judas sinned. Of that there is no doubt. He clearly felt some form of guilt or remorse. That has been demonstrated in the scripture provided by some of you. The possibilities in terms of his salvation God alone knows the truth of.

Because he betrayed Jesus though...does that mean he should be a subject of all believers' animousity?

I apologize for being rude NIGHTMARE. There is no excuse.

The church has some very odd beliefs. I have known christians that hate the Jews because "They killed Christ!"

Of course not. He sinned a sin that is common to all of humanity. We've all betrayed someone to some extent. Jesus is no respecter of persons so I am sure He wouldn't think His betrayal was special except in the sense that IT HAD TO HAPPEN to fulfill God's plan.

 

[handy]

No. There isn't any reason for any Christian to hate anyone. Hate sin yes, but never the sinner.

The Lord will judge Judas accordingly. However, I think the Lord gives us ample evidence as to what that judgment is.

Such as in Mark 14:20-21, "And He said to them, "It is one of the twelve, one who dips with Me in the bowl. For the Son of Man is to go, just as it is written of Him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born."

Judas did what he did. It was foretold that he would do so. However, it was also within him to do it. We need not hate him for it, but we don't need to embrace him either. Just leave him to the Lord.

 

[walter]

No. There isn't any reason for any Christian to hate anyone. Hate sin yes, but never the sinner.

The Lord will judge Judas accordingly. However, I think the Lord gives us ample evidence as to what that judgment is.

Such as in Mark 14:20-21, "And He said to them, "It is one of the twelve, one who dips with Me in the bowl. For the Son of Man is to go, just as it is written of Him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born."

Judas did what he did. It was foretold that he would do so. However, it was also within him to do it. We need not hate him for it, but we don't need to embrace him either. Just leave him to the Lord.

I am content with that!

 

[NIGHTMARE]

Can we end the who has the correct interpretation contest and get back on topic?

Clearly there is a matter of interpretation difference here. There really is no need for rudeness to one another over it.

As for the topic....the question was Should we hate Judas Iscariot.

Judas as a once physically existing human being with feelings and conscience like the rest of us is one that truly is one in which teaches or sets the perfect example why we need Jesus so much in our lives. Judas sinned. Of that there is no doubt. He clearly felt some form of guilt or remorse. That has been demonstrated in the scripture provided by some of you. The possibilities in terms of his salvation God alone knows the truth of.

Because he betrayed Jesus though...does that mean he should be a subject of all believers' animousity?

I apologize for being rude NIGHTMARE. There is no excuse.

The church has some very odd beliefs. I have known christians that hate the Jews because "They killed Christ!"

Of course not. He sinned a sin that is common to all of humanity. We've all betrayed someone to some extent. Jesus is no respecter of persons so I am sure He wouldn't think His betrayal was special except in the sense that IT HAD TO HAPPEN to fulfill God's plan.

Its cool,,,

Deuteronomy 19:10 "That innocent blood be not shed in thy land, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, and so blood be upon thee."

Deuteronomy 19:11 "But if any man hate his neighbour, and lie in wait for him, and rise up against him, and smite him mortally that he die, and fleeth into one of these cities:"

Deuteronomy 19:12 "Then the elders of his city shall send and fetch him thence, and deliver him into the hand of the avenger of blood, that he may die."

Deuteronomy 19:13 "Thine eye shall not pity him, but thou shalt put away the guilt of innocent blood from Israel, that it may go well with thee.' "

Matthew 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

Sorry I didnt have time to give my commentary,,,but its pretty clear what we are to do with murderers,,,will God forgive them ,,,well thats for God to decide but while there here there not saved because they need to be sent to GOd for Him to decide.....

O yeah Jews didnt kill Christ,,,those that claimed to be Jews but lie killed Christ......

 

[NooneSpecial]

No. There isn't any reason for any Christian to hate anyone. Hate sin yes, but never the sinner.

The Lord will judge Judas accordingly. However, I think the Lord gives us ample evidence as to what that judgment is.

Such as in Mark 14:20-21, "And He said to them, "It is one of the twelve, one who dips with Me in the bowl. For the Son of Man is to go, just as it is written of Him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born."

Judas did what he did. It was foretold that he would do so. However, it was also within him to do it. We need not hate him for it, but we don't need to embrace him either. Just leave him to the Lord.

I am content with that!

Me too!

 

[KenEOTE]

The answer is simple. No. We should never hate any individual. You hate sin, you can hate what is happening or what has been done to you, but you are never to hate a person. For if you do you have murdered them in the eyes of God. So then the sin will lie with you.

 

[NIGHTMARE]

No. There isn't any reason for any Christian to hate anyone. Hate sin yes, but never the sinner.

The Lord will judge Judas accordingly. However, I think the Lord gives us ample evidence as to what that judgment is.

Such as in Mark 14:20-21, "And He said to them, "It is one of the twelve, one who dips with Me in the bowl. For the Son of Man is to go, just as it is written of Him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born."

Judas did what he did. It was foretold that he would do so. However, it was also within him to do it. We need not hate him for it, but we don't need to embrace him either. Just leave him to the Lord.

Do you think God hates anyone??????

 

[jasoncran]

No. There isn't any reason for any Christian to hate anyone. Hate sin yes, but never the sinner.

The Lord will judge Judas accordingly. However, I think the Lord gives us ample evidence as to what that judgment is.

Such as in Mark 14:20-21, "And He said to them, "It is one of the twelve, one who dips with Me in the bowl. For the Son of Man is to go, just as it is written of Him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born."

Judas did what he did. It was foretold that he would do so. However, it was also within him to do it. We need not hate him for it, but we don't need to embrace him either. Just leave him to the Lord.

Do you think God hates anyone??????

no not human maybe satan and the fallen angels.

imho

jason

 

[handy]

I got this from CARM simply because I didn't want to take the time to compile texts myself:

Does God hate anyone? The answer is yes.

* Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,"
* Psalm 11:5, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates."
* Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them."
* Prov. 6:16-19, "There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."
* Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels."

Yes, God hates some people.

However, whether or not God hates anyone has nothing to do with the fact that we Christians are never to hate anyone. God can do some things that we are not to do. Insofar as hating is concerned, the reason why God can hate and be holy, is that He can perfectly judge the heart of a human. We can never perfectly judge the heart of another fallen sinner like ourselves, and God calls us to love.

We need to love our neighbors and our enemies. For those who act sinfully and hatefully, we can love them, share the gospel with them if possible and most of all, leave the judging of them up to the Lord.

 

[jasoncran]

Handy, how do you rectify that with the love he had for the world that he sent only begotten to die for us, maybe a looksie at thw word hate in the original tounge should visited. I'll respond after some quick prayer on that verse

 

[NIGHTMARE]

No. There isn't any reason for any Christian to hate anyone. Hate sin yes, but never the sinner.

The Lord will judge Judas accordingly. However, I think the Lord gives us ample evidence as to what that judgment is.

Such as in Mark 14:20-21, "And He said to them, "It is one of the twelve, one who dips with Me in the bowl. For the Son of Man is to go, just as it is written of Him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born."

Judas did what he did. It was foretold that he would do so. However, it was also within him to do it. We need not hate him for it, but we don't need to embrace him either. Just leave him to the Lord.

Do you think God hates anyone??????

no not human maybe satan and the fallen angels.

imho

jason

Romans 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated....kinda makes you think huh....

 

[jasoncran]

If were are in sin then we are at enmity with God, and must be reconciled, in ezekiel it talks about that God takes no joy in the death of the sinner, i think the word hate in the kjv version of that quote is a poor translation as in Greek the word loveless is translated hate, ( esau quote) and God did bless esau, just my viewpoints, for sure we can agree that the Lord despises sin,
jason

 

[NIGHTMARE]

If were are in sin then we are at enmity with God, and must be reconciled, in ezekiel it talks about that God takes no joy in the death of the sinner, i think the word hate in the kjv version of that quote is a poor translation as in Greek the word loveless is translated hate, ( esau quote) and God did bless esau, just my viewpoints, for sure we can agree that the Lord despises sin,
jason

Interesting viewpoint I will take a look into the Greek and see whats up,,,,indeed The Lord despises sin :yes

 

[handy]

I reconcile it this way, the love for the world was genuine in that He gave His life so that whosoever believes in Him can be saved.

However, to those who, irregardless of whether they believe in Him, for even the demons believe in Him, to those who do iniquity, to those who gleefully do violence, to those who love the deeds of darkness, the Lord hates those. Again, God can perfectly judge someone's heart. And, He has perfect foresight and knowledge into what choices a person will or won't make. This is why He stated, "Jacob I have loved, Easu I have hated" before the twins were not yet born.

As far as a word study goes, in the above text, which is Romans 9:13 btw, the "loved" is agapao and is the same word used when Jesus said that we are to love our enemies. The "hated" is miseo, which is the same word used when Jesus said that we shall be hated by all men for His name's sake.

The word hate in the Psalms and Hosea text is sane', which is indeed hatred, it's the same word in this text:
Jeremiah 44
2"Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, 'You yourselves have seen all the calamity that I have brought on Jerusalem and all the cities of Judah; and behold, this day they are in ruins and no one lives in them,

3because of their wickedness which they committed so as to provoke Me to anger by continuing to burn sacrifices and to serve other gods whom they had not known, neither they, you, nor your fathers.

4'Yet I sent you all My servants the prophets, again and again, saying, "Oh, do not do this abominable thing which I hate."

5'But they did not listen or incline their ears to turn from their wickedness, so as not to burn sacrifices to other gods.

6'Therefore My wrath and My anger were poured out and burned in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem, so they have become a ruin and a desolation as it is this day.

 

[jasoncran]

that arguement almost justifies a calvinist viewpoint as we were hated by god for the sins we commited, i think i will ponder more on the ot word of hate, did you use the greek vesion of the ot, it was translated to that or did you look the hebrew text. I'll still dont see God blessing Esau all the while hating him.

jason

 

[handy]

I used the Masoretic Hebrew text for the OT. Sane' is a Hebrew word, not Greek.

Sane' is not only used for hate and hatred, it is also used for foes and enemies as well.

Not to stray too far off topic, but the Calvinist view of Jacob and Esau isn't that God foreknew that Esau would put his belly before his birthright, but rather that God, in His sovereignty hated Esau and chose to love Jacob. The Calvinist POV is that we are all condemned and it's only because God, only in His own sovereignty and not at all what we say or do, chooses to love some of us.

I find the best way to do a word study is to look up the word in the original language and compare how that word is used in various texts with the same word in it.

This is why I more or less reject the idea that God didn't hate Esau, but rather loved Esau less than He loved Jacob.

Miseo' the Greek word (Textus Receptus) in Romans 9 translated as "hated" is found in a number of places in the New Testament, and the usage of the word lends credence that our words "hate" and "hated" are valid translations of the word, as opposed to "loved less". This is why I referenced Matthew 10:22 in the post. The world doesn't love us less because of Christ, the world hates us because of Christ.

However, and getting back to topic with this, I cannot find that Christ said that He hated Judas either. Nowhere is the term miseo' applied to Judas. But, Christ did say that Judas was a devil, that Judas perished and that Judas was a son of Perdition, which is to say that he is utterly lost, and that it would have been better had Judas not been born.

And nowhere do I find that it's OK for Christians to "miseo'" anyone. It's ok for us to "miseo'" iniquity, but not people.

 

[jasoncran]

I used the Masoretic Hebrew text for the OT. Sane' is a Hebrew word, not Greek.

Sane' is not only used for hate and hatred, it is also used for foes and enemies as well.

Not to stray too far off topic, but the Calvinist view of Jacob and Esau isn't that God foreknew that Esau would put his belly before his birthright, but rather that God, in His sovereignty hated Esau and chose to love Jacob. The Calvinist POV is that we are all condemned and it's only because God, only in His own sovereignty and not at all what we say or do, chooses to love some of us.

I find the best way to do a word study is to look up the word in the original language and compare how that word is used in various texts with the same word in it.

This is why I more or less reject the idea that God didn't hate Easu, but rather loved Easu less than He loved Jacob.
then the word hate could mean the were are the enemies of God when we were sinners, think about that it, fits the Lord, he command us to love our enemies, and would that interpration mean that we are his emenies. jason