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Should Women Preach ?

allenwynne said:
If man fails to do the job, then God will raise up women.
He'll even make the rocks cry out, or a donkey, whatever it takes.
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God would never go against His own Word.

1 Timothy 2
12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
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Lewis W said:
Paul's words or the Lord's ?
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Peter thought Paul's words were the Lords. Do you ?

2Pe 3:15-16 KJV And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
 
The article implies that ones place in Christ is second class .

He goes on to reduce scripture to the culture of today ( which i find sad)

For instance, that same passage in Timothy argues against women cutting their hair or wearing jewelry.

1Pe 3:2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
1Pe 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
I read these verse to read our hearts should match our appearance.. Not at all that we should not look nice/pretty but a heart to Him as more important.

-are quite willing to pack women off and send them as missionaries to dangerous places where they might get killed.
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My age may make a difference here Being a PK i have met many missionaries the women were married to the guy...For my time i read this as a half truth

We can’t control women simply to cater to the insecurities of men who can’t handle this.
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It is not "WE" that have set the standard it is God.


Some of it is about other articles/books i have not read ..

Sharing the gospel or if the words better suit some preaching the Gospel is not the same as deacons bishops who are to be the husband of one wife.
Which in my view says they should be married... another can of worms...:)
 
I agree reba. this has forced me to think. its not about gender, its about what paul said. while he did use the word I, but he didn't use the caveat im speak as a man of god. food for thought. I have seen as dora said churches that do this go south. seen it. not all the time but it has.

I can go to my male pastor and ask about headship in the home. why? because has lived it. a joyce meyer would have to refer me to her husband. and well about that? her husband likely doesn't teach her much. it would be akin to having a layman teaching the pastor what the bible says. it can happen but often the pastor isnt a novice. I have been told I know more about doctrinal positions from my debating then the average pastor today. yet im not a pastor. imagine if someone like me was married to joyce meyer and she preached a futurist position. the sparks would fly!or the torah! Christians are often ignorant of the torah. I see it a lot here at times and at abroad. many a phone calls to stovebolts about that subject with the torah and what a pastor or poster has said about jews that is well off. not that I haven't done that. I have too.
 
Young's Literal Translation

Words and definitions are important.

1Ti 2:11 Let a woman in quietness learn in all subjection,
1Ti 2:12 and a woman I do not suffer to teach, nor to rule a husband, but to be in quietness,
1Ti 2:13 for Adam was first formed, then Eve,

woman - G1135 -
Probably from the base of G1096; a woman; specifically a wife: - wife, woman.
G1096 -
A prolonged and middle form of a primary verb; to cause to be (“gen” -erate), that is, (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literally, figuratively, intensively, etc.): - arise be assembled, be (come, -fall, -have self), be brought (to pass), (be) come (to pass), continue, be divided, be done, draw, be ended, fall, be finished, follow, be found, be fulfilled, + God forbid, grow, happen, have, be kept, be made, be married, be ordained to be, partake, pass, be performed, be published, require, seem, be showed, X soon as it was, sound, be taken, be turned, use, wax, will, would, be wrought.

to usurp authority G831 -
From a compound of G846 and ἕντης hentēs (obsolete; a worker); to act of oneself, that is, (figuratively) dominate: - usurp authority over. (YLT - nor to rule)

teach - G1321 -
A prolonged (causative) form of a primary verb δάω daō (to learn); to teach (in the same broad application): - teach.

This sounds very similar to what Paul told the church at Corinth. It also makes sense as to why he would mention the husband/wife relationship between Adam and Eve. Just as Jesus did in His teaching on divorce.
Eve, was deceived, at the fruit, she did this (of herself) she did not consult with Adam. She did it on her own and gave to him, thus she did usurp his place as the head, taking away his ability to protect her. He is her cover of protection.

If a wife believes the Lord has called her into Any ministry she should be consulting with her husband so that he can pray and ask the Lord's guidance. If the elders of the church, pray and decide they want to hire this wife, after consulting with her husband, as well. She is not usurping anyone's authority. It is being given to her.

I don't happen to feel like a Pastor "dominates". He is a servant of the Lord and the Lord's flock.
We have several people on this board that are either pastors or have had/do have family that are.
Do you or they see themselves as dominating the flock?
 
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As far as women being in the pulpit, in the Book of Acts, you will find that Philip had three daughters who were preachers. The apostle Paul in the Book of Romans, the last chapter, the seventh verse, alludes to two people, Andronicus and Junia. Junia is a woman. And then, he refers to them as “fellow apostles,” which in the life of the early church was the highest position attainable in leadership and in preaching.
Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/2006/10/Let-The-Women-Preach.aspx#bLcMhc7EcVTGaGEq.99
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I need to research this, and I mean today.
 
if preaching is a pastor then well reba and dora are now pastors of cf.net as both have taught me and others a lot. a pastor is a leader of the flock. a teacher has authority. though deb has a point.
 
I pondered this before i agreed to be mod or admin. I do not consider myself a pastor... In my mind a pastor is hands on guy he is the guy who deals with the problems .. domestic fights visits to the hospital those daily every day things that happen in life...pastors get phone calls about....

I do hope i share the gospel from the :rollingpin to the :hug
I have learned much from the women we have here... i hope i continue to learn.
In the way of duties here the owner and other admins are the spiritual covering as i am a woman.
I do not find it second class to follow the Word.
 
In 3+ minutes Joyce Meyers builds her self up and pulls down the Scripture...
I like how she talked about Mary and that God knew Joyce was/is a women...
then she goes after the Word..... the double standard ..Did she forget it is the same God that knew when Paul pinned His Word that it would be read in the year 2014?
 
Lewis W said:
Let the Women Preach
An outspoken evangelical says that if a man is concerned about women preachers, he 'needs to be healed. He needs prayer.'
http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/2006/10/Let-The-Women-Preach.aspx

I want to know what you all think about the above article' and post back here your thoughts.
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I only read the first 2 or 3 paragraphs. That "outspoken evangelical" is twisting and molding scripture into something that is more acceptable to the politically correct crowd.

This is all I got from the article.

2 Corinthians 11
3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!
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jasonc said:
if preaching is a pastor then well reba and dora are now pastors of cf.net as both have taught me and others a lot. a pastor is a leader of the flock. a teacher has authority. though deb has a point.
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That's the thing if authority is given it is not usurping authority.
Our mods are given the authority that they have and thank God we have them or sometimes forums, especially A&T would look like a battlefield with blood letting.

So when we look at words what do they mean.
That man uses his authority. That man is domineering.
Two very different pictures emerge even in English.

reba uses her authority to keep the rules of the forum. Is she domineering about it? I don't think so.
Is she usurping authority from someone else. No.

Jacob was called the usurper. By law he wasn't the eldest and therefore shouldn't have inherited the blessing. God had other things in mind.
 
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