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Bible Study should women wear head covering and men wear beards ? proof?

Women when men dont have Christ
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JohnD said:
Spirit says cover it up keep the temptation away stop contributing to this misery.
Flesh says take it off take it all off.
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Allow me to explain:

Romans 7:14–25 (NKJV)
14For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do.
16If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good.
17But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.
19For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
20Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
21I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.
22For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
25I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Romans 8:1–16 (NKJV)
1There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
3For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
4that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
8So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
10And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh.
13For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
15For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”
16The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
 
Deborah13 said:
Do you have scripture to back that up? :shades
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Isaiah 47:1–3 (AV)
1Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate.
2Take the millstones, and grind meal: uncover thy locks, make bare the leg, uncover the thigh, pass over the rivers.
3Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man.
 
Isaiah 47:1-3 (defining what nakedness included) coupled with Leviticus 18:8 (defining whom that nakedness belonged to) fuel the doctrine of Rabbi Hillel (who lived 2 generations before Christ, he was the grandfather of Gamaliel). The doctrine stated essentially that any female (married or single [since and unmarried female was under the cover of her father or brother until married off] of the age of accountability) who exposed even these body parts before men who were not their husband (even if by accident) were guilty of adultery.

This is what Jesus was answering in his divine commentary on the Tanakh (exposing and refuting the commentaries of mere men) in this portion of the Sermon on the Mount:

Matthew 5:27–30 (AV)
27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
 
Notice!

Jesus did NOT refute Hillel.

He essentially affirmed what Hillel taught using Isaiah 47:1-3 and Leviticus 18:8.

What Jesus did was to address the one-sidedness of the doctrine.

You got Isaiah 47:1-3 and Leviticus 18:8 correct, Hillel, ol' boy... but ya forgot all about:

Job 31:1–13 (NIV84)
1“I made a covenant with my eyes not to look lustfully at a girl.
2For what is man’s lot from God above, his heritage from the Almighty on high?
3Is it not ruin for the wicked, disaster for those who do wrong?
4Does he not see my ways and count my every step?
5“If I have walked in falsehood or my foot has hurried after deceit—
6let God weigh me in honest scales and he will know that I am blameless—
7if my steps have turned from the path, if my heart has been led by my eyes, or if my hands have been defiled,
8then may others eat what I have sown, and may my crops be uprooted.
9“If my heart has been enticed by a woman, or if I have lurked at my neighbor’s door,
10then may my wife grind another man’s grain, and may other men sleep with her.
11For that would have been shameful, a sin to be judged.
12It is a fire that burns to Destruction; it would have uprooted my harvest.
13“If I have denied justice to my menservants and maidservants when they had a grievance against me,
 
Tit 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
Tit 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
Tit 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Gal_3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
1Pe 2:15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
1Pe 2:16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
1Pe 2:17 Honour all m
 
Now before you gentlemen start gouging out your eyes and you ladies throw away your entire wardrobe for moo moos and berkas...

Remember, this was Old Testament / Old Covenant.
 
reba said:
Tit 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
Tit 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
Tit 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Gal_3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
1Pe 2:15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
1Pe 2:16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
1Pe 2:17 Honour all m
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??? Yer point ??
Ya lost me...
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What Christians must deal with in our very walk with God among the heathen in our sinful flesh is the dynamic that the New Testament / New Covenant is in effect... this frees us up from dealing with personal sin round the clock... so we can be about the Master's business getting the Word out and as many as will believe saved.
 
This is what Paul spoke of about all things being lawful but all things not being profitable.

1 Corinthians 6:12 (NIV84)
12“Everything is permissible for me”—but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible for me”—but I will not be mastered by anything.

1 Corinthians 10:23 (NIV84)
23“Everything is permissible”—but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible”—but not everything is constructive.
 
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Sin to God is just as ugly... just as tempting to him to wipe out all of humanity and the fallen angels for what it cost his dear Son. But he has a higher purpose and destination for all things (Romans 8:1 Romans 8:28). So while we are to use the Law as at least a guideline not to sin and to convict us when we have sinned,

1 John 2:1–5 (NIV84)
1My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.
2He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
3We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands.
4The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him:
 
Yes we have liberty in Christ. Point is... do we expend that liberty on seeing just how wicked we can be (or how close to the line of demarcation we can come)... or do we use that freedom to serve the Master all the more?

I am not judging anyone.

Nor am I suggesting a maximum requirement for skirt length, head covering, head uncovering, ogling or any of it.

That is between God and you / your conscience.

Me too.

Now that we all know the guidelines and purposes.
 
Yes we have liberty in Christ. Point is... do we expend that liberty on seeing just how wicked we can be (or how close to the line of demarcation we can come)... or do we use that freedom to serve the Master all the more?
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We were freed from our slavery to sin.

Now we are free to do good.

Shall we revert to our slavery in Egypt (so to speak) for the meat on the tables?
 
Deborah13 said:
Which verse 17? I am lost.
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Um, if you are looking for specific anatomic references in the bible to mention what biology has labeled "ankles" you will not find it... the scriptures were written in a time of languages and sciences in flux... the upper arms Jesus was nailed to the cross through for example were said to be his hands... the tongue is elsewhere translated literally "lip." and so on.

Consult the propriety of times past to learn the effect a woman who rolled down her stockings to expose her ankles had on men.

25 years ago, my wife used to work at Southwestern University in Georgetown, Texas. The main building is a castle-like structure with grand staircases on opposing sides that were constructed around 1900 with the use of women in mind. In this progressive era of women being anywhere near a university they took into consideration that a woman's ascent or descent on those stairs be such that even her ankles were not exposed.

At the time my wife worked there, the University was putting to a vote the official recognition of the gay and lesbian alliance on campus. Guess who won.

The irony of a mere 90 years passing making all the difference in the morals of the University was what brought my attention to the way the builders of the University built its buildings and its staircases.
 
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