Sinless for as long as God lives

[Kidron]

If as you said before Christians are sinless what what is there to be corrected of?

Here is another way to think of the word "corrected".

If something is broken, it needs to be corrected.
If something is wrong, it needs to be corrected and made right.
If you have 3 good tires on your vehicle and one is flat, you need to correct the flat one.
If a Christian has a "works of the flesh" issue with lust, or lying, then this needs to be corrected, it needs to be changed.
So, when God corrects us,, its not punished based, it is change based, correction.
When something in a believer, in their attitude, their point of view, their motivations, their desires, is not in line with God's, then a correction within the person has to take place to cause the change needed so that they are then become more like Christ, inside.
A southern preacher said...."Christians are broken in some of their parts and God has to fix them".

 

[Kidron]

Nice post....but I might add to #2....if you continue in a lifestyle of "sin"...whatever that may be....your salvation will not be lost but instead your "fellowship" with God will be strained. For example, if you're sitting in a bar each night on the way homw from work, trying to pick up the ladies...while wifey sits at home, I think God may have a hard time blessing that situation.

Absolutely.
What you are describing very well is the "family situation" we have with God that is just like the one we have with mama.
You are your mother's child by birth right., and this cant be changed if you are not a good person.
What can be changed is that you can destroy the relationship, but you can never stop being "blood".
So, we can offend God, we can even leave God, but if you walked out of your mother's life forever, are you still her "blood", her family?
Yep = for life and beyond the grave.
So, just as you have pointed out....we can strain the relationship, but nothing can ever end the tie that binds, and that is birth and blood.

 

[Kidron]

So now it is degrees ... and Kidron is sinless.. wow if one is sinless they dont need Christ

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All born again Christians are redeemed by Christ's blood and are made eternally sinless., and that is the exact reason we needed and need Christ to save us and keep us saved.
His blood and His sacrifice makes us sinless, otherwise we cant go to Heaven, as only the sinless, the righteous, can live there with Holy God.
There is no sin in heaven....and so we have to be transformed from sinner to Sinless Saint, from unrighteous to Righteous, or we dont get to stay in Heaven, as only the sinless are allowed to stay in Heaven where God is, = where no sin is allowed.
So, Jesus was sent to solve this SIN issue for us...... to take our sins away and give us His Righteousness "free gift of Righteousness" so that we can then be accepted by Holy God and live in a sinless Heaven where only the sinless and Righteous are allowed to stay.
This is what Jesus came from Heaven to Earth to provided for us..... as this is the ETERNAL REASON for the Blood Atonement <> Salvation.

 

[jasonc]

There are sadly,myself at times ,christians who don't pray much.Do you really think that 1 John 1:9 means that as you say?
If I'm sinless that means right now I'm as perfect as Jesus.I don't have to repent and there's no struggle.

I don't even buy into eternal security but even those that do will not teach this.One repents daily as you are being perfected by the blood.Redeemed at the cross,being made more like Christ ,and at death and the resurrection perfected in Christ.

Ever read the book the other Gospel?

 

[Sinthesis]

This means, that because Jesus has been judged and killed for your sins on a Cross, the bible says "he became sin who knew no sin".....then, you will never be held accountable for what Jesus has died for, and paid......which is your Lifetime sin debt.
Jesus already paid = you dont pay after you are dead.

So you're saying Jesus died for my sins, but Jesus did not die for my 'works of the flesh'?
What if my 'works of the flesh' are worse than my sins?

 

[GodsGrace]

What's the difference between sins
and works of the flesh?

For Kidron

What if I don't fix myself or change.
Why should I do anything if I'm going to heaven anyway?

I'm thinking of becoming a Calvinist.

 

[jocor]

Paul wrote also, that if you, or me, or any believer develops a willful habitual sinning lifestyle, and wont stop, wont turn from this when the Holy Spirit convicts, and even after God corrects and corrects them or me or you, then we will Die EARLY.
So, you go home early, and you dont live out the completion of your life, is the final "correction" of your habitual sinning lifestyle.

In other words, we get rewarded for a "willful habitual sinning lifestyle"? Paul desire was to depart this life early (Philippians 1:23) so he could be with Messiah. Why does the wretched sinner in your example get such a reward as to be with Messiah early? The fact is, he will never get to see Yeshua at all (Hebrew 10:26) since you said the man was doing those things willfully.

In post #5 you wrote:

So, this is why Paul calls your transgressions that were previously "under the law" , "works of the flesh", as the Law, (when we were under the law) defined our transgressions of the law as "SIN", but now that we are no longer the law but under "Grace" our transgressions are no longer labeled by the Law as sin.
So, what was once called sins, Paul now refers to as "works of the flesh".

You contradicted yourself. Here you say they are no longer called "sins", but in your example above you say this wretched man was "sinning". Shouldn't you call it a "willful habitual works of the flesh lifestyle"?

It really doesn't matter because many verses disprove your statement that it is no longer called "sin". Here are a few:

1 Corinthians 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
1 Corinthians 8:12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ [Yeshua Messiah] the righteous:​

 

[GodsGrace]

In other words, we get rewarded for a "willful habitual sinning lifestyle"? Paul desire was to depart this life early (Philippians 1:23) so he could be with Messiah. Why does the wretched sinner in your example get such a reward as to be with Messiah early? The fact is, he will never get to see Yeshua at all (Hebrew 10:26) since you said the man was doing those things willfully.

In post #5 you wrote:

You contradicted yourself. Here you say they are no longer called "sins", but in your example above you say this wretched man was "sinning". Shouldn't you call it a "willful habitual works of the flesh lifestyle"?

It really doesn't matter because many verses disprove your statement that it is no longer called "sin". Here are a few:

1 Corinthians 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
1 Corinthians 8:12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ [Yeshua Messiah] the righteous:​

Thank you jocor.
Am awaiting the reply with baited breath...

 

[smaller]

I'm not aware of any christian who has corrected themselves into a state of sinlessness.

 

[Chopper]

As an administrator you should know that vague post...are pretty much a waste.

Hey, Reba does the right thing, she doesn't waste a lot of words that say the same thing. Most of us already know what the context is that she's quoting from.

 

[smaller]

Many believers get lulled into one side of the coin, that Jesus only loves us.

If we don't know why Jesus hates us, we are not disciples:

Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

I can make just as good a case that Jesus hates me as loves me. And I had to put my dear beloved dog down this weekend, on Saturday. Best dog I've ever had. So I'm feeling that hate particularly strong. No he didn't get healed, despite my wife and I praying fervently. It's almost like the death of a child, which I can't relate to, but it's very close.

Sinlessness? Is that some kind of a BAD theological JOKE?

 

[Kidron]

i think He meant
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

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See verse 9?
This is how you understand that John is not talking to the Church.
This is because vs 9 is the gospel being preached to listeners who are not yet saved or forgiven.
Christians are already forgiven.......we dont confess anything to be forgiven AGAIN, as forgiveness ALREADY came when we were born again.
So, these verses you posted are interesting in the same way that the Book of Hebrews is dedicated - sent to Jews and not specifically to the Body of Christ.

Now go to 1st John 2.......as that is now addressed to "children", as this is the typical way that John addresses the Church.
So, from CH 2 on, we understand John is now addressing the believers, whereas in 1 John 1:1-10 he isnt.
The epistle to the Hebrews is similar .....as there are parts of it that are dealing with unsaved HEBREWS (duh), and parts of it dealing with the Church.
So, If you dont rightly divide these various Hebrew and 1st John scriptures doctrinally, you'll end up thinking that parts of Hebrews and the first chapter of 1st John is telling an eternally saved born again Christian they can "lose it".

 

[reba]

Again the point has been made the point being in one post you say we are sinless in another you say we can willfully sin..

 

[Chopper]

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When the blood atonement is applied to a believer, this creates in them a "born again" spirit, and it completely cleanses them from sin...(washed in the blood of the Lamb).
Paul says..."Jesus who loved me and GAVE HIMSELF for me".... is the same situation for all believers.
In that very instant of "conversion" we are converted from "sinner" to Saith.
WE are converted from Lost to Saved.
WE are converted from unsaved human to spiritually born again Son of God.
WE are converted ("translated from") darkness to the Kingdom of light.
WE are converted from sinner to Sinless.
All this and more is what happens to all believers the very instant you hear the Gospel, trust Christ, and are born again.

Here is the beauty of being cleansed in the Blood of Christ and forgiven all your sins.
IT NEVER ENDS....
This means, that because Jesus has been judged and killed for your sins on a Cross, the bible says "he became sin who knew no sin".....then, you will never be held accountable for what Jesus has died for, and paid......which is your Lifetime sin debt.
Jesus already paid = you dont pay after you are dead.

So, in a twinkling of an eye, a person by faith trusts Christ after they hear the Gospel, and God sees their heart faith and instantly releases the blood atonement unto them and suddenly all there sins are gone, pardoned, and forgotten.....forever.
They are become SINLESS, exactly as Christ, as its Christ's sinlessness that IS "the Gift of Righteousness" that God has given them.
We give God our faith, and God gives us Christ's righteousness.
We trust Christ, and God saves us.
We are now SINLESS SINLESS SINLESS, as this is what Salvation once applied to us, does. And this is what Jesus was purchasing on the cross for us with His blood and death.
When He says..."it is finished-accomplished".. His is testifying to the eternal fact of what He has just created by His sacrifice... He has created the means and the way for us to become a Sinless Son of God, just like Him.

Now, there are 2 wonders about Jesus's accomplishment on the Cross.
From the moment of conversion, 2 things happen and continue happening for you, that last for as long as God lives.
The 1st is that the blood of Christ completely cleanses all your sins away and then continues to cover and cleans you of your sins.....it continues to keep you just sinless as it created you "in Christ" anew when it was first applied to you when you first believed... (redemption)(born again).
This mean when you were saved and until God stop living, the blood of Christ each and every second continues to keep you cleansed from sin., as that is the power of the blood and the power in the blood. = Hallelujah !!
You, if you are saved, ... you sins were laid on Jesus who died for them all, and His Sinless perfection (righteousness) became yours eternally, and THIS covering and cleansing of all your sins IS your current and eternal state of existence.= Hallelujah !

Here is #2.
When you do something that would be a transgression of the commandments and the law after you are saved....God does not hold you accountable because you "have been redeemed from the curse of the law". Galatians 3:13,... you are "under Grace" Romans 6:14.
This is the other reason that you remain sinless as the day you were saved right through eternity.
Look at this verse:.. Romans 4:8 :

"Blessed is the person whose sin God will never count against them"

So, WHO is that person, who sins, but God does not hold them accountable?

That is ALL BORN AGAIN BELIEVERS. = Hallelujah !

And Who DOES God hold accountable for a believer's lifetime of sins?........?
JESUS.... NOT YOU = Hallelujah !!

So these two aspects of "born again"= keep you saved, sinless, and eternally secure.

You sir are mistaken about being sinless. I rebuke you in the name of Christ Jesus for teaching the false doctrine of sinless perfection. In the name of Jesus the Son of God.

 

[jocor]

We are now SINLESS SINLESS SINLESS, as this is what Salvation once applied to us, does. And this is what Jesus was purchasing on the cross for us with His blood and death.

Are you saying that a believer is sinless from the moment he receives Yeshua and forever?

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ [Yeshua Messiah] the righteous:
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In post #17, you said 1 John 2 pertains to believers. If a believer sins, is he still sinless? What happens when a believer commits adultery, for example. Is he still sinless even before he confesses the adultery to the Father so that Yeshua can advocate for us? I understand that after we confess our sin and Yeshua advocates to the Father for our forgiveness, only then will we become sinless, but only until our next sin.

You, if you are saved, ... you sins were laid on Jesus who died for them all, and His Sinless perfection (righteousness) became yours eternally, and THIS covering and cleansing of all your sins IS your current and eternal state of existence.= Hallelujah!

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
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As I understand it, when we receive Yeshua as Master and Savior, we are forgiven of all our past sins and become sinless through him. However, if we sin after being cleansed of all our unrighteousness, we must confess that sin to receive forgiveness again. Through our faith in his blood, we become clean again. However, if we die before confessing the sin, that does not mean we will be lost. It simply means that we will be judged and rewarded accordingly in the Kingdom. We will be faced with a loss of some kind.

 

[Chopper]

Many believers get lulled into one side of the coin, that Jesus only loves us.

If we don't know why Jesus hates us, we are not disciples:

Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

I can make just as good a case that Jesus hates me as loves me. And I had to put my dear beloved dog down this weekend, on Saturday. Best dog I've ever had. So I'm feeling that hate particularly strong. No he didn't get healed, despite my wife and I praying fervently. It's almost like the death of a child, which I can't relate to, but it's very close.

Sinlessness? Is that some kind of a BAD theological JOKE?

O smaller. I'm so sad that you were forced to put your faithful friend down. Several years ago, I had to put down "Harley" who was 17 years old. He rode on the back of my Harley for years, and was in my fishing boat when I was. He, and I'll just bet that your dog, was your very best friend. He gave you "unconditional love" as long as you had him. I personally believe, that for the Christian who has a favorite pet who dies, if the born again owner asks Jesus to save his favorite faithful old dog, you'll see him in heaven. Jesus is like that, and he saw your tears, smaller, that fell on your buddy as he was going to sleep.

Bless you Brother, the pain won't go away for a while, I put my Harley's ashes in a tin, wrapped it in plastic, and buried him in my flower bed with a little plaque that read "If My Love Could Have Healed You, You Would Have Lived Forever"

 

[smaller]

O smaller. I'm so sad that you were forced to put your faithful friend down. Several years ago, I had to put down "Harley" who was 17 years old. He rode on the back of my Harley for years, and was in my fishing boat when I was. He, and I'll just bet that your dog, was your very best friend. He gave you "unconditional love" as long as you had him. I personally believe, that for the Christian who has a favorite pet who dies, if the born again owner asks Jesus to save his favorite faithful old dog, you'll see him in heaven. Jesus is like that, and he saw your tears, smaller, that fell on your buddy as he was going to sleep.

Bless you Brother, the pain won't go away for a while, I put my Harley's ashes in a tin, wrapped it in plastic, and buried him in my flower bed with a little plaque that read "If My Love Could Have Healed You, You Would Have Lived Forever"

Thanks buddy. My wife and I are of course devastated. Our dog had taken up a big space in our hearts day to day after the children grew and left home. He gave us something other than ourselves to pamper and pay attentions to. When the kids were around we had them. After we just had him. The sadder part is that he was not that old for a small dog. Only 7 1/2. Had a liver tumor and there was nothing the vets could do. My wife has been crying for days over his loss. I did too but she was at home with him more than I so the loss is harder for her. It's different when it's an older dog. It's like when younger people die it's much much sadder.

Yeah, bummed. I do believe we'll see him again, per Romans 8.

 

[JLB]

When the blood atonement is applied to a believer, this creates in them a "born again" spirit, and it completely cleanses them from sin...(washed in the blood of the Lamb).

Blood atonement doesn't cleanse, or take away sin, it atones or "covers" the sin, which is what the blood of bulls and goats did in the old testament.

The blood of Jesus cleanses us from our sins, if we confess them, He is faith and just to forgive us and cleanse us of all unrighteousness.

For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins. Hebrews 10:4


JLB

 

[JLB]

Thanks buddy. My wife and I are of course devastated. Our dog had taken up a big space in our hearts day to day after the children grew and left home. He gave us something other than ourselves to pamper and pay attentions to. When the kids were around we had them. After we just had him. The sadder part is that he was not that old for a small dog. Only 7 1/2. Had a liver tumor and there was nothing the vets could do. My wife has been crying for days over his loss. I did too but she was at home with him more than I so the loss is harder for her. It's different when it's an older dog. It's like when younger people die it's much much sadder.

Yeah, bummed. I do believe we'll see him again, per Romans 8.

Yes you will see him again.

 

[Chopper]

Thanks buddy. My wife and I are of course devastated. Our dog had taken up a big space in our hearts day to day after the children grew and left home. He gave us something other than ourselves to pamper and pay attentions to. When the kids were around we had them. After we just had him. The sadder part is that he was not that old for a small dog. Only 7 1/2. Had a liver tumor and there was nothing the vets could do. My wife has been crying for days over his loss. I did too but she was at home with him more than I so the loss is harder for her. It's different when it's an older dog. It's like when younger people die it's much much sadder.

Yeah, bummed. I do believe we'll see him again, per Romans 8.

I'll be praying for your grieving process, that the Lord will hug you both from the inside of you. I like Ecclesiastes 3:18-21. Especially where it says that the beast (my Harley and your dog) have "spirits". I know my Harley did!! Harley was a Bichon Frise and we liked that bread so much that now we have three Bichon's. I would recommend that you get another, of the same breed as soon as possible, it does help, because I see Harley in the first Bichon we bought.

Love you two, my Wife and I will be praying for you guys, we are so, so sorry for what you had to go thru for such a young best buddy.