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Sinners in the hands of an angry God

The author of morality is going to clean house and remove all immorality and unrighteousness into the place where he designated as the eternal torment of satan and his angels.

Those that don't believe the Word of God can do whatever it is they believe is important in their life for it is too short for me to worry about after giving you all the warning.

Any that do not warn others will be responsible before God to give an account why they did not believe the Word of God. Either way, those are shoes I will not put on.

Many of those who shout love, love, love show very little of it themselves.
 
Solo said:
Many of those who shout love, love, love show very little of it themselves.


Where as you do?


:smt043


We can all feel the "love" coming from the fundies... they slither about these forums spitting venom...
 
DivineNames said:
Solo said:
Many of those who shout love, love, love show very little of it themselves.


Where as you do?


:smt043


We can all feel the "love" coming from the fundies... they slither about these forums spitting venom...


4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. 5 For every man shall bear his own burden. 6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things. 7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. 9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. 10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith. Galatians 6:4-10
 
"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always perseveres. Love never fails."

Will all who practice the above scripture please quote this and type in "I do, that sure is me"? :)
 
destiny said:
"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always perseveres. Love never fails."

Will all who practice the above scripture please quote this and type in "I do, that sure is me"? :)

Thanks destiny. Great advice! :D
 
Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jude 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Jude 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

Jude 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Jude 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

Todays preachers of "wuv" (not love) would call Judes epistle "vile filth" if it wasn't already in the bible.

They would say something like this.

"This hate monger Jude uses "fear tactics" and "name calling" to scare and belittle people into the kingdom a practice so popular today".

Jonathan Edwards says it is God's grace that holds the sinner from the fires of hell and he is condemned and vilified for it.

The message of the sermon was repent come to Christ and live or you will face the consequences.

Hebrews 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

What is wrong with people?

Man faces judgement. Man faces punishment and we are like walking graves without God's grace.

We are vile worms and deserving of wrath without receiving God's mercy and grace.

This message to mankind is not popular with the politically correct crowd but it is God's message.

Romans 3:12-13 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

Jonathan Edwards states:

"There is no want of power in God to cast wicked men into hell at any moment. Men's hands cannot be strong when God rises up. The strongest have no power to resist him, nor can any deliver out of his hands.-

He is not only able to cast wicked men into hell, but he can most easily do it. Sometimes an earthly prince meets with a great deal of difficulty to subdue a rebel, who has found means to fortify himself, and has made himself strong by the numbers of his followers. But it is not so with God. There is no fortress that is any defence from the power of God. Though hand join in hand, and vast multitudes of God's enemies combine and associate themselves, they are easily broken in pieces. They are as great heaps of light chaff before the whirlwind; or large quantities of dry stubble before devouring flames. We find it easy to tread on and crush a worm that we see crawling on the earth; so it is easy for us to cut or singe a slender thread that any thing hangs by: thus easy is it for God, when he pleases, to cast his enemies down to hell. What are we, that we should think to stand before him, at whose rebuke the earth trembles, and before whom the rocks are thrown down?"

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/sinners.htm

The words of Jesus Christ.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
 
BB, you can try and find all the parallels to the scriptures you want, it doesn't change a sow's ear into silk purse.

If you truly want to look at the scriptures (and not get stuck on reading with your Revelation 14 glasses), you will find that God's wrath is ultimately turned against sin and destruction and death is what is meted out.

This is a far cry from God holding the sinner over the fires of hell like a 'loathsome spider' and that God 'shows no compassion or pity'.

This is not the gospel no matter how bad you want to make it seem like. You are playing straight into Satan's views of God he so badly wants the world to buy in to.

These are the words of a mortal man who was influenced by the corrupt Catholic doctrine of eternal torment of his day, and takes this fallacy to greater description not found in the Bible

Plain and simple.
 
The words of Jesus Christ.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
 
DivineNames said:
Relic, are you the one that argued something along the lines that an eternal hell was needed by the Christian God, because otherwise people wouldn't follow the kind of God with an eternal hell?

:-D


I do apologize Relic. You made no such argument. I was getting you confused with antitox.
 
Lyrics dad misrepresenting Jonathan Edwards sermon.

It turns God into a sicko who dangles us over the flames of hell without any caring in the world for us like a child would dangle a spider over flames. It says that when we are crushed and suffering that God will have no compassion. It basically turns God into the most absolute disgusting madman to have ever existed.

What a piece of trash in literature.


"It turns God into a sicko who dangles us over the flames of hell without any caring in the world for us like a child would dangle a spider over flames"


God is holding the sinner in His hand and keeps you from falling into the pit.

Jonathan writes:


The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much as one holds a spider, or some loathsome insect over the fire, abhors you, and is dreadfully provoked: his wrath towards you burns like fire; he looks upon you as worthy of nothing else, but to be cast into the fire; he is of purer eyes than to bear to have you in his sight; you are ten thousand times more abominable in his eyes, than the most hateful venomous serpent is in ours. You have offended him infinitely more than ever a stubborn rebel did his prince; and yet it is nothing but his hand that holds you from falling into the fire every moment.

Edwards believes God does care and that God is merciful.

And now you have an extraordinary opportunity, a day wherein Christ has thrown the door of mercy wide open, and stands in calling and crying with a loud voice to poor sinners; a day wherein many are flocking to him, and pressing into the kingdom of God. Many are daily coming from the east, west, north and south; many that were very lately in the same miserable condition that you are in, are now in a happy state, with their hearts filled with love to him who has loved them, and washed them from their sins in his own blood, and rejoicing in hope of the glory of God. How awful is it to be left behind at such a day! To see so many others feasting, while you are pining and perishing! To see so many rejoicing and singing for joy of heart, while you have cause to mourn for sorrow of heart, and howl for vexation of spirit! How can you rest one moment in such a condition? Are not your souls as precious as the souls of the people at Suffield, where they are flocking from day to day to Christ?

Here are God's words.

Romans 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

Romans 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

Isaiah 63:3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

God is merciful but to those who reject His pardon and grace He will show His wrath.

At one point all men were children of wrath but those who come to Christ are objects of His mercy.

Ephesians 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
 
bibleberean said:
The words of Jesus Christ.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
A good verse for sure, but lets not forget the words "kill", which is used twice and "destroy" (apollumi)

apollumi

to destroy fully (reflexively, to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively
IMO, it is important to note that the word is destroy, not punish or sentence.
 
2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

2 Peter 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

Revelation 14:10-11 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
 
bibleberean said:
Here are God's words.

Romans 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

Romans 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,


(14) What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! (15) For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." (16) It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. (17) For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." (18) Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. (19) One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" (20) But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'" (21) Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use? (22) What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrathâ€â€prepared for destruction? (23) What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory (24) even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? (Romans 9:14-24 NIV)


Could someone explain these verses?

At first sight, they do look to be very very evil. But perhaps someone can explain them? Perhaps they aren't saying what I think they are saying?
 
Well, the people in Revelation are not tormented day and night, but the smoke from their vanishing stands as a memorial, imo.

They are tormented in the prescence of the Master Yah. That is their torment and punishment. I doubt they burn in his presence forever.

They have no rest day and night because they fear this punishment. Either this or because of the aforementioned winepress of wrath in that passage. It does NOT say they are tormented day and night.

David speaks of who will and who will not stand in the judgment:

Psalm 1:4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
Psalm 1:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
 
DivineNames said:
DivineNames said:
Relic, are you the one that argued something along the lines that an eternal hell was needed by the Christian God, because otherwise people wouldn't follow the kind of God with an eternal hell?

:-D

I do apologize Relic. You made no such argument. I was getting you confused with antitox.

Thank you.

:)
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Those of you who do not believe the Words of Jesus in Matthew 25 can make up whatever you want, but it still does not negate the truth. Jesus uses the same exact word that is translated eternal for eternal life that is used for everlasting in everlasting torment and everlasting fire. Perhaps you all believe that eternal life is finite as well!? :roll:


31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Matthew 25:31-46
 
Solo said:
Those of you who do not believe the Words of Jesus in Matthew 25 can make up whatever you want, but it still does not negate the truth. Jesus uses the same exact word that is translated eternal for eternal life that is used for everlasting in everlasting torment and everlasting fire. Perhaps you all believe that eternal life is finite as well!? :roll:

The fire is everlasting. I don't deny that. satan and his angels, being immortal beings, burn in it forever.

I'm surprised that some people love and roll their little emoticon eyes and get all upset all over the idea of people being tormented in fire forever...

I think the reason many people don't have a problem with this is because they are so sure they won't end up in it...
 
DivineNames said:
bibleberean said:
Here are God's words.

Romans 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

Romans 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,


(14) What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! (15) For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." (16) It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. (17) For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." (18) Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. (19) One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" (20) But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'" (21) Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use? (22) What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrathâ€â€prepared for destruction? (23) What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory (24) even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? (Romans 9:14-24 NIV)


Could someone explain these verses?

At first sight, they do look to be very very evil. But perhaps someone can explain them? Perhaps they aren't saying what I think they are saying?


How but to reveal the "glory of His Holy Goodness",
but to reveal the evil that is opposed to it?

  • Isaiah 45:7
    I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.


God created the place of residence for both.


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wavy said:
Solo said:
Those of you who do not believe the Words of Jesus in Matthew 25 can make up whatever you want, but it still does not negate the truth. Jesus uses the same exact word that is translated eternal for eternal life that is used for everlasting in everlasting torment and everlasting fire. Perhaps you all believe that eternal life is finite as well!? :roll:

The fire is everlasting. I don't deny that. satan and his angels, being immortal beings, burn in it forever.

I'm surprised that some people love and roll their little emoticon eyes and get all upset all over the idea of people being tormented in fire forever...

I think the reason many people don't have a problem with this is because they are so sure they won't end up in it...

You forgot to include the everlasting torment for those that are in the second resurrection which is for those that will be in everlasting torment and fire.

Only those that do not know their final eternal destiny hope that their isn't a literal place of eternal torment and fire. According to Jesus, there is such a place. Who should we believe, wavy or Jesus? I chose Jesus, cause wavy doesn't even believe that Jesus instituted the Church.
 
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