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smaller there is always a when as none of us are perfect, but being perfected daily. I know my mouth is my worst enemy and will lash out at times even though I know it should not, but am always quick to ask forgiveness not only from God, but also from the one I am lashing out at.

I am not trying to punish you with facts. Pointing out that our contrariness in the flesh does not go away until the day when we are rid of it. Phil. 3:21 points out quite clearly that our body currently is VILE. That state doesn't change til we are changed. Nevertheless, by faith, in Him, we are already seated in the heavenlies, but that seating is currently hidden from our sights, because of our current planting conditions, which IS the Plan of God.

We are planted in weakness, corruption, and dishonor in a "natural body." None of these factual conditions change. Not by morality. Not by obedience. Not by performances. And certainly NOT by lying hypocrisy.

When we are in truth, we are TRUTHFUL, and given the precious Spiritual fruit of honesty. I can not "honestly" make the conditions of Gods Planting in weakness, dishonor and corruption CHANGE. Those are the conditions we have been quite purposefully place into, and this by our Divine Gardener.

 

[smaller]

Not sure how this is relevant to the topic of the thread, but these ideas about Adam are certainly not from Scripture. Sounds more like Gnosticism. Adam is clearly presented as an individual in Scripture, and there is no mention of Adam in Hebrews 11, which lists the men of faith.

Gnosticism is distinguished in part by the notion that the flesh is evil. I've made no such claims. So your claim is void.

What I DO note is that Adam's flesh was subject to the intrusion of the tempter. He sinned, and sin is of the devil. 1 John 3:8. There is no logistical way around the math of there being then Adam and the tempter in the flesh. Mark 4:15 was TRUE for Adam. And Jesus shows us this principle which was not disclosed prior, openly.

As it pertains to this thread, we are not to live as a pawn of the tempter in the flesh. And we are called out even less to lie about the fact that it happens.

Which brings us to the OP. Those who believe God, and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, are justified by grace through faith. To be justified means to be seen by God as righteous, with the righteousness of Christ. So it is not a matter of what someone thinks, but what God declares. Big difference.

God has already made His Declarations. The scripture has concluded ALL under sin. Gal. 3:22. That sin indwells our flesh. The disclosures have been made. The conclusion, set. It can't be changed. The flesh is contrary to the Spirit precisely because sin indwells our flesh no different than it dwelt in the flesh of Paul. Romans 7:17-20. Paul described this indwelling sin as "no longer I." He didn't claim it to be justified or "in Jesus" or anything else. It was evil present with him. Romans 7:21. His flesh still served the law of sin, Romans 7:25, which workings he spells out quite clearly as SIN THOUGHTS in Romans 7:7-13, which is courtesy of sin indwelling his flesh/evil present with him. And YES sin is demonic. There is no way of getting around these facts.

Today, there is a tremendous attack on the doctrine of justification, just as there was during the Reformation. The natural human mind simply cannot comprehend that sinners can actually be made "the righteousness of God" in Christ (2 Cor 5:21).

Only if they completely ignore the parts of scripture in the N.T. that they don't like.

The Spirit is factually against the flesh. The Spirit is factually contrary to the flesh. And it is so because of indwelling sin in the flesh and evil present with us. Gal. 5:17.

Paul didn't cut his vile body an INCH of slack. Phil. 3:21, but called it for what it is.

 

[for_his_glory]

I am not trying to punish you with facts. Pointing out that our contrariness in the flesh does not go away until the day when we are rid of it. Phil. 3:21 points out quite clearly that our body currently is VILE. That state doesn't change til we are changed. Nevertheless, by faith, in Him, we are already seated in the heavenlies, but that seating is currently hidden from our sights, because of our current planting conditions, which IS the Plan of God.

We are planted in weakness, corruption, and dishonor in a "natural body." None of these factual conditions change. Not by morality. Not by obedience. Not by performances. And certainly NOT by lying hypocrisy.

When we are in truth, we are TRUTHFUL, and given the precious Spiritual fruit of honesty. I can not "honestly" make the conditions of Gods Planting in weakness, dishonor and corruption CHANGE. Those are the conditions we have been quite purposefully place into, and this by our Divine Gardener.

The bottom line is that we are sinners saved by the grace of God. Are we perfect and sin no more, no, but only being perfected daily through that of Gods grace that is Christ Jesus that we walk in Gods will and not our own. We may have to live in this world, but are no longer of this world.

 

[Edward]

I don't cut my "evil/defiling" thoughts any excuses. They are evil, they are defiling. They are SIN in mind, they are CONDEMNED and they are NOT excused, bypassed and overlooked in my hide, in the Name of Jesus.

When I get them I immediately remind the tempter that the LoF is ever closer on the near horizon. Yes, this I speak to the tempter in MIND. It's an effective reminder.

Brother...I'm not making excuses for sin. You're missing my point. I'm saying, we don't have to receive evil thoughts. Whether it comes from our own wicked heart, Jeremiah 17:9 or the enemy is whispering to us, we have to choose to receive it or not. Which is to say, do we entertain the thought? (Begin thinking about it).

We think with our heart. If we give place in our heart to an evil (fleeting) thought, it becomes sin unto us and even affects our (spiritual) growth, for as a man thinketh in his heart, so is he... Proverbs 23:7

If we take 'thinketh' back to the Hebrew (H8176), we see;
to split open, reason out, calculate, reckon, estimate. 1. (Qal) to calculate Pr 23:7/(BLB)

In other words, to dwell on it. But if, when we initially get the fleeting thought, we don't dwell on it but rather cast it down 2nd Corinthians 10:5 and bring it into the captivity of Christ...it will not be sin unto us!

Or so it seems to me. It's actually pretty easy to do and gets easier with time because one gets accustomed to doing it.

We're to guard our heart with diligence because our thoughts determine the course of our life. Proverbs 4:23

A good practice to this end is found in;
Philippians 4:6-9
6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.

7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you./

Understand now?

 

[smaller]

Brother...I'm not making excuses for sin. You're missing my point. I'm saying, we don't have to receive evil thoughts.

Not true my friend. If we read Paul indwelling sin BUCKS the law. Indwelling sin "resists" the law, and does so via evil defiling thoughts. There is no "choice" involved to receive them or not. They are a fact and are so because of the presence of indwelling sin and evil present with us that is LAWLESS.

Choice is irrelevant to the equations. In Romans 7:7-13 Paul spells out exactly "how" indwelling sin operates, IN MIND. These are evil. These are defiling. And they are actions and proof of sin indwelling the flesh and evil present with us. We are deceived by SIN when we say it's only sin if we "dwell" on them or if we "do an act" of sin. The fact is that indwelling sin works against the law every single time, without our permission to do so either. It has a resisting mind of it's own. Whether believers are "cognizant" or aware of it is irrelevant. Most of the time we just brush them off, and do not recognize the presence of indwelling sin that IS in our own flesh, proven by evil defling IMperfect thoughts.

Matt. 5:28, Matt. 15:19-20 and Mark 7:21-23

Most of us say to ourselves, "Oh, I'm still OK because I didn't do anything with that evil defiling thought." Paul tells us clearly that we will give an account for every deed in the body and that INCLUDES every evil defiling THOUGHT.

2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Whether it comes from our own wicked heart, Jeremiah 17:9 or the enemy is whispering to us, we have to choose to receive it or not. Which is to say, do we entertain the thought? (Begin thinking about it).

IF you have managed to hear the "whispering" of the enemy in your mind then you'll KNOW why we cut this bad actor ZERO slack. Not one thought worth. We DRAG such thoughts directly to CONDEMNATION just as Jesus did. They demand capture and condemnation.

There will be no covering of our enemy's whispering regardless. Every sin in thought, every evil in thought, every defiling in thought WILL be uncovered and exposed in judgment.

There will be no secrets. No, not even in "thought" form.

 

[Edward]

Not true my friend. If we read Paul indwelling sin BUCKS the law. Indwelling sin "resists" the law, and does so via evil defiling thoughts. There is no "choice" involved to receive them or not. They are a fact and are so because of the presence of indwelling sin and evil present with us that is LAWLESS.

Choice is irrelevant to the equations. In Romans 7:7-13 Paul spells out exactly "how" indwelling sin operates, IN MIND. These are evil. These are defiling. And they are actions and proof of sin indwelling the flesh and evil present with us. We are deceived by SIN when we say it's only sin if we "dwell" on them or if we "do an act" of sin. The fact is that indwelling sin works against the law every single time, without our permission to do so either. It has a resisting mind of it's own. Whether believers are "cognizant" or aware of it is irrelevant. Most of the time we just brush them off, and do not recognize the presence of indwelling sin that IS in our own flesh, proven by evil defling IMperfect thoughts.

Matt. 5:28, Matt. 15:19-20 and Mark 7:21-23

Most of us say to ourselves, "Oh, I'm still OK because I didn't do anything with that evil defiling thought." Paul tells us clearly that we will give an account for every deed in the body and that INCLUDES every evil defiling THOUGHT.

2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.



IF you have managed to hear the "whispering" of the enemy in your mind then you'll KNOW why we cut this bad actor ZERO slack. Not one thought worth. We DRAG such thoughts directly to CONDEMNATION just as Jesus did. They demand capture and condemnation.

There will be no covering of our enemy's whispering regardless. Every sin in thought, every evil in thought, every defiling in thought WILL be uncovered and exposed in judgment.

There will be no secrets. No, not even in "thought" form.

It sounds like you're saying that it's impossible to look at a pretty girl without lusting after her in your heart, and that just isn't so, Brother.

 

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It sounds like you're saying that it's impossible to look at a pretty girl without lusting after her in your heart, and that just isn't so, Brother.

Indwelling sin does what it does Edward. Pick a law. Any law. The tempter in the flesh will resist it in thought every single time. What you do with it from there is irrelevant. If it's not the above it will be some other angle. Like claiming no evil defiling thoughts. That's how deceptive sin is.

 

[Edward]

So then we have no ability to not sin? I disagree with that.

 

[smaller]

So then we have no ability to not sin? I disagree with that.

Nobody makes themselves sinless, period. The instant we say we "have" no sin, we are NOT in truth. 1 John 1:8. We are forgiven. The tempter is never excused or forgiven.

 

[Edward]

Nobody makes themselves sinless, period. The instant we say we "have" no sin, we are NOT in truth. 1 John 1:8. We are forgiven. The tempter is never excused or forgiven.

You're still not getting it. I'm not saying I'm sinless. I'm not saying that we have no sin. I'm saying that we can resist sin.

 

[smaller]

You're still not getting it. I'm not saying I'm sinless. I'm not saying that we have no sin. I'm saying that we can resist sin.

So then we have no ability to not sin?

No, we do NOT have the abilities to make ourselves sinless by "not sinning."

Sin indwells the flesh and evil is present with us, regardless. And that would include the abilities of sin to hide and mask itself to claim it isn't so. There is a link between sin and the devil. We are dealing with an adversary who is far more intelligent on the dark side of the ledgers than we are, particularly as it applies to deceptions.

Luke 16:8
And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.

Matthew 23:33
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?


What you are trying to do is equate sin to only an "external action." IF we think we are not sinners as it pertains to sin indwelling the flesh, then we have been deceived by sin and such deception IS demonic in nature.

There is no point in our lives when we are not sinners or are sinless in the flesh nor is there a moment when evil is not present with us in the flesh. Romans 7:17-21.

 

[RevSRE]

You're still not getting it. I'm not saying I'm sinless. I'm not saying that we have no sin. I'm saying that we can resist sin.

There is a difference in "Not Sinners" and "don't sin" We as Christians are not perfect or Complete not yet, BUT in Christ we are Justified Innocent in Christ. We have Christ as our intercessor at the throne of God, if we do disobey God. BUT a Christian IN CHRIST is indwelled by the Holy Spirit and CANNOT BE LIVING IN SIN.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
Think about it < New creatures> <indwelled by the Holy Spirit> <Children of God> <Priest of GOD> There IS victory in being a Child of GOD. I feel we may have let Satan steel our victory.
A CHRISTIAN IS NOT cannot be A SINNER (meaning living in open uncaring sin). We are beyond that in Christ we are NEW CREATURES in the Family of GOD.

 

[RevSRE]

1John 5:1 "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?) (KJV)
This thread is about the Commandments of God (Theos) and Jesus (Christos)."

I have found 50 or so commandments of Christ in the NT. there are several list of these around and some books written on the subject.
Here is A LIST for consideration.

49 General Commands of Christ
1. Repent Matthew 4:17
2. Follow Me Matthew 4:19
3. Rejoice Matthew 5:12
4. Let Your Light Shine Matthew 5:16
5. Honor God’s Law Matthew 5:17–18
6. Be Reconciled Matthew 5:24–25
7. Do Not Lust Matthew 5:29–30
8. Keep Your Word Matthew 5:37
9. Go the Second Mile Matthew 5:38–42
10. Love Your Enemies Matthew 5:44
11. Be Perfect Matthew 5:48
12. Practice Secret Disciplines Matthew 6:1–18
13. Lay Up Treasures Matthew 6:19–21
14. Seek God’s Kingdom Matthew 6:33
15. Judge Not Matthew 7:1
16. Do Not Cast Pearls Matthew 7:6
17. Ask, Seek, Knock. Matthew 7:7–8
18. Do unto Others Matthew 7:12
19. Choose the Narrow Way Matthew 7:13–14
20. Beware of False Prophets Matthew 7:15
21. Pray for Laborers Matthew 9:38
22. Be Wise as Serpents Matthew 10:16
23. Fear Not Matthew 10:28
24. Hear God’s Voice Matthew 11:15
25. Take My Yoke Matthew 11:29
26. Honor Your Parents Matthew 15:4
27. Beware of Leaven Matthew 16:6
28. Deny Yourself Luke 9:23
29. Despise Not Little Ones Matthew 18:10
30. Go to Offenders Matthew 18:15
31. Beware of Covetousness Luke 12:15
32. Forgive Offenders Matthew 18:21–22
33. Honor Marriage Matthew 19:6
34. Be a Servant Matthew 20:26–28
35. Be a House of Prayer Matthew 21:13
36. Ask in Faith Matthew 21:21–22
37. Bring in the Poor Luke 14:12–14
38. Render to Caesar Matthew 22:19–21
39. Love the Lord Matthew 22:37–38
40. Love Your Neighbor Matthew 22:39
41. Await My Return Matthew 24:42–44
42. Take, Eat, and Drink Matthew 26:26–27
43. Be Not Troubled John 14:1
44. Keep My Commandments John 14:15
45. Watch and Pray Matthew 26:41
46. Feed My Sheep John 21:15–16
47. Baptize My Disciples Matthew 28:19
48. Receive God’s Power Luke 24:49
49. Make Disciples Matthew 28:20

How many do you know? How many do you keep? Where do we stand NOW??

Yes I have written on this too. This is just a lot of work compiling commentary and comments on what each of there mean.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10Z0DRhItk-OJydChjLpsCiVgXRk0nFDxnJrrgRTfRr0/

 

[GodsGrace]

a sinful thoughts flashes across ones mind.. A simple covetous thought about the neighbours new car... You check yourself stop the thought and tell them how nice the car is.. or do we ponder the thought in our heart ... walk away grumbling to our selves,,,,, I do not believe the 'passing ' thought is sin.. we can make it sin...

I believe so because we "know" ,,
1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
1Pe 3:16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
1Pe 3:17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.

Hi Reba,
Yes. I agree that a thought alone will not be a sin, but our dwelling on it. The dwelling upon it causes it to go to the heart and desire it and, at this point, it becomes sin if we believe what Jesus taught. It's not necessary to actually go through with the action.
I had referred earlier to
Mathew 5.21-22
Mathew 5:28

We shouldn't do what Eve did. Wonder about how nice it would be to have that car you posted about. Or even start to wish you could have it. If the thought continues, at this point you're conversing with temptation or the evil one. And here we're in sin. So a thought could definitely lead to sin.

Also feelings. Like hate = murde
Lust = Adultry

I still don't quite understand how the repercussions are different for believers. Thinking on that.

Wondering

 

[reba]

because we have so much more to loose

 

[GodsGrace]

Jesus called "evil thoughts" for what they are. They are both evil and defiling. And, as such, yes, they would quite logically be "sin in thought" as such thoughts are evil and defiling.

Matt. 5:28, Matt. 15:19-20 and Mark 7:21-23 are all direct Words of God that show the thoughts of evil are evil, defiling and SIN, particularly the first one.

Smaller,
Mathew 5:28 goes beyond the thought. Jesus said "that everyone who looks on a woman to LUST for her, has already committed adultery with her in his heart". NASB
So he's not just looking at her and thinking she's cute - he's LUSTING for her. It goes beyond that passing thought that Reba was talking about re the neighbor's car. The thought has to move from the mind to the heart.

Now this is a theological reality and you could check any source you care to check. Just think if it were not true. We'd be immersed in constant sin. Thoughts are uncontrollable. However, they could LEAD to sin.
Romans 13:14

Most brush this off, not thinking they are of any consequence, but that is not the scriptural case. They are evil and they are defiling and in the case of Matt. 5:28 it's adultery, a sin, in the heart.

Answered above. The "thought" is not the "lust".

Wondering

 

[GodsGrace]

Mat 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

These two verses show that if a man/woman puts away his/her spouse they need a written divorce. If he/she puts away the other and does not have a written divorce than that is what causes he/she to commit adultery with another. Put away and divorce are two different things as put away means to walk away from the marriage without divorcing. Divorcing makes it alright to remarry again. If I had known at the time of my first two marriages about being equally yoked I would have never married either one. I was very young in the Lord at the time and had very little knowledge. Being equally yoked whether you are a Christian or not the both need to be as one flesh and always try to work out any problems.

Thanks for your reply FHG.

Wondering

 

[GodsGrace]

As we continue in this thread, I want to post a Scripture that will be my focus for this section....
Hebrews 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

Now, what do some of you think this means, that I have put in bold and underlined?

To me it means not to give up hope
Not to stop trusting in the Lord
Not to get mad at Him for something that happened
(it's speaking of enduring hardship)

I've done all of the above at different times many years ago.
This is the scripture I would have for anyone going through any of this:

John 6:68

Wondering

 

[GodsGrace]

And thus the point of the thread. Why doesn't the church love God????
Perhaps the 'church' is not really the church they think they are.

Well, which church is? So much self-righteousness all around. I meant that I'm not aware of a church that says it's okay to sin because we're not under the Law. This doesn't mean one doesn't exist, of course. It would be interesting for me to hear their line of reasoning - it makes me sad. How much faith will Jesus find when He returns?

Without the forgiveness of Jesus, yes, we are subject to the damnation of the law for breaking it. Jesus speaks at length about unfaithful servants going to the place of weeping and gnashing of teeth because of their unrepentant, evil lives.

I was asking if we could sin before actually breaking the Law. I think, and have posted, YES. We can sin in our heart, that is breaking the Law without actually going through the action.

It depends.
God decides that according to the mitigating circumstances one is in, if there are any.

I asked if WANTING to do something was the same as actually doing it in God's eyes.
I say the answer is YES. If I REALLY want to steal that diamond ring - I've pretty much stolen it in God's eyes. I'm not perfect, like Jesus said to be. A lofty goal indeed... Mathew 5:48

I'm 'wondering'....are you asking this because you think the law does not legislate how we think?

No. I meant it. If our thought could be a sin has been answered. You'll never have to wonder with me...
The law legislates how we think, but only after the thought goes to the heart.

I'm sure any Spirit-filled Christian can testify that it is impossible to fellowship with God through the Holy Spirit while full of unholy thoughts.
Perhaps many Christians don't realize this because they aren't very practiced at living in and enjoying the manifest presence of the Holy Spirit in their daily lives(?) IOW, they don't miss fellowship with God when they're doing and thinking sinful things because they really don't enjoy that in the first place anyway that they could somehow sense when he isn't there because of evil behavior and thoughts.

If we sin in thought, are there consequences? I'm not sure it's been answered. The answer is not here either. What if I keep thinking that the guy next door is cute. Will that affect my relationship with my husband? Yes. I think it could. This would be speaking to consequence and not sin. It would definitely be sin.

Wondering

 

[GodsGrace]

For those of you who still think there are no consequences for willful, unrepentant sin in the believer:

" 27Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. 28But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly. 30For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep (dead). 31But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged. 32But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world.

33So then, my brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for one another. 34If anyone is hungry, let him eat at home, so that you will not come together for judgment." (1 Corinthians 11:27-34 NASB bold and parenthesis mine)

Anyone who thinks they can neglect and/or despise the body of Christ better make sure their health and life insurances are paid up. Reminds me of Jesus' warning to the servants in his household who neglect and abuse the other servants in the household of God.

"45“Who then is the faithful and sensible slave whom his master put in charge of his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46“Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes.47“Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48“But if that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is not coming for a long time,’ 49and begins to beat his fellow slaves and eat and drink with drunkards; 50the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour which he does not know, 51and will cut him in pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 24:45-51 NASB)

Any servant of God who thinks he can be slack in his love for the body of Christ and abuses them had better wake up and not let himself be caught unawares on the Day of the Lord as when a thief breaks in at night. The author of Hebrews cites the Hebrew church's work and love for the church as the evidence of their salvation:

"9But, beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you, and things that accompany salvation, though we are speaking in this way. 10For God is not unjust so as to forget your work and the love which you have shown toward His name, in having ministered and in still ministering to the saints. 11And we desire that each one of you show the same diligence so as to realize the full assurance of hope until the end, 12so that you will not be sluggish, but imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises." (Hebrews 6:9-12 NASB)

But so many Christians are convinced that the necessity for work and love for the saints amounts to nothing more than a works salvation. They better start soberly reading their Bible and stop listening to popular church 'hyper-grace' doctrines.

Hi Jethro
Regarding 1 Corinthians 11:27 Would you consider that maybe what Paul was talking about when discussing eating the bread and drinking the cup in an unworthy manner was in reference to the ways and actual form, or the etiquette, in the way the first Christians were receiving the Lord body and blood?
Consider verse 33 and 34.
Let me know.

Wondering