Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

[Walpole]

walpole if you dont understand what i am telling you just say no.. after all there is no shame in that is there? if i have to reply again which i should just ignore. if i chose to reply i promise i will not be nice

I admit I don't understand why you continue to dodge, deflect and avoid answering the question. Why is that exactly?

Again, if you don't know the answer, just say so. There is no shame in that.

---> https://christianforums.net/Fellowship/index.php?threads/it-is-finished.78719/

 

[ezra]

i highly doubt that person is saved - anyone can post on the internet - atheists love posing as christians and saying crazy stuff - on atheist forums they coach each other on how to mess with us - and christians fall for it - i don't think you can judge a denomination or a doctrine by what one person says - a person who probably is a pretender - if this is what osas was then all osas people would be talking the same and they are not - atheists love getting christians all tied up in knots - don't fall for a person like this - they are clearly unsaved

you wont get many likes with this post lol BTW i agree with it %100

 

[ezra]

I admit I don't understand why you continue to dodge, deflect and avoid answering the question. Why is that exactly?

Again, if you don't know the answer, just say so. There is no shame in that.

sigh ** i asked to re frame you simply do not get it do you? are you simply that illiterate than you cant= see i have NO DESIRE and nor do i owe you or ANYONE a explanation, the why exactly is simply NONE of your business.. i suggest you stop being a busy body. had i wanted to reply i would.. i am truly sorry you do not have the grey matter to understand this

 

[Walpole]

sigh ** i asked to re frame you simply do not get it do you? are you simply that illiterate than you cant= see i have NO DESIRE and nor do i owe you or ANYONE a explanation, the why exactly is simply NONE of your business.. i suggest you stop being a busy body. had i wanted to reply i would.. i am truly sorry you do not have the grey matter to understand this

Wow. Nice series of ad hominems. Next time just say you don't know the answer. There is no shame in that. Many of us are here to learn.

Reporting now...

 

[ezra]

Great. Keep studying.


Study the part where His sheep, justified sheep, can become lost.


Would you care to define lost for us?




JLB

lost is lost it does not say they lost their salvation does it? lost can have different meanings What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found. if he lost his salvation --how did he find it again ?

 

[ezra]

Wow. Nice series of ad hominems. Next time just say you don't know the answer. There is no shame in that. Many of us are here to learn.

Reporting now...

wonderful i told you i had no desire to answer you i dont care if you report me or not. i have the answer but not for you . curious in your report did you mention how i said i had no desire to answer you ..guess you forgot that

 

[Walpole]

wonderful i told you i had no desire to answer you i dont care if you report me or not. i have the answer but not for you . curious in your report did you mention how i said i had no desire to answer you ..guess you forgot that

Don't worry, your posts are there for the moderators and all to see.

 

[ezra]

Don't worry, your posts are there for the moderators and all to see.

wonderful maybe next time you can follow a simple request

 

[JLB]

i will let you define

Separated from God. Unjustified; A sinner in need of repentance. Dead to God. Unreconciled to God.



JLB

 

[JLB]

lost is lost it does not say they lost their salvation does it?

Does the lost need salvation?


“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance. Luke 15:4-7




JLB

 

[JLB]

lost is lost it does not say they lost their salvation does it? lost can have different meanings What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found. if he lost his salvation --how did he find it again ?

The person is lost.

They need to be found.




JLB

 

[MarkT]

Does the lost need salvation?


“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance. Luke 15:4-7




JLB

So the sinner repents and there is joy in heaven. So the sheep that was lost is now found. The parable doesn't say anything about losing salvation. It doesn't say anything about becoming lost after being found.

 

[ezra]

Does the lost need salvation?

yes those not saved lost does not necessary mean with out God in this parable . to be honest with you the words eternal security osas is not in the Bible.....nor is the words lose your salvation .

 

[Walpole]

So the sinner repents and there is joy in heaven. So the sheep that was lost is now found. The parable doesn't say anything about losing salvation. It doesn't say anything about becoming lost after being found.

Sheep represent the saved, no?

It was a sheep that got lost.

 

[MarkT]

Sheep represent the saved, no?

It was a sheep that got lost.

No. In this parable the sheep represents the sinner who is found. It doesn't say anything about becoming lost after being found.

 

[Walpole]

No. In this parable the sheep represents the sinner who is found. It doesn't say anything about becoming lost after being found.

Aren't we all sinners?

In the last judgement scene, is it the sheep who inherit the kingdom of heaven or is it the goats?

Sheep have a Shepherd. Sometimes sheep get lost. Sometimes they return, sometimes they don't. (e.g. Judas Iscariot)

 

[ezra]

Aren't we all sinners?

nope i am no longer a sinner i been saved by grace .i will sin that does not make me a sinner

(e.g. Judas Iscariot)

he was a goat

 

[Walpole]

nope i am no longer a sinner i been saved by grace .i will sin that does not make me a sinner

"The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost." (1 Tim 1:15)

"If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." (1 John 1:8)

"Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded." (James 4:8)

he was a goat

He was first a "sheep" (Mt. 10:16), a "disciple" (Mt. 10:1), an "Apostle" (Mt. 10:2-4), one of "the twelve" (Luke 22:47) , sent to "proclaim the kingdom of God" (Luke 9:2), "chosen" (John 6:70), one who "worshiped" Christ (Mt. 14:33) and a "friend" (Mt. 26:50). These are all words used by Jesus Himself and the Scriptures to refer to Judas.

Sometimes sheep, like Judas, get lost and fall away. (Acts 1:25). You cannot fall away from that which you never belonged to.

 

[ezra]

1 John 1:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all
1 John 3:5-7 King James Version (KJV)
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

8 He that committeth {practices } sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
2 Corinthians 5
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
i am no longer the man i use to be i have been justified <not guilty > declared righteous < just as if i had never sinned> if you want to be the old man/sinner so be it

 

[JLB]

So the sinner repents and there is joy in heaven. So the sheep that was lost is now found. The parable doesn't say anything about losing salvation. It doesn't say anything about becoming lost after being found.

Again Jesus is our salvation.

Jesus isn’t lost.

We can become lost by wandering away from Him.


“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance. Luke 15:4-7


The 100 Sheep belong to the shepherd.

They are reconciled to Him.

They are “just”.

The one who wanders away becomes lost and is separated from the shepherd.

This one is now a sinner, who is separated and must repent and return to the flock of just ones, which is called “found”.

If the lost sheep does not repent, he will remain lost, as a sinner, in an unjustified state.



JLB