Sometimes

[ronniechoate34]

I think that people have lost the ability to reason and think logically. Then I start communicating with them and then I KNOW that people have lost the ability to reason and think logically.

 

[GojuBrian]

I wonder what they think?

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

well, what is the standard for reason and logic? Because what is wise in the Lord is often foolish to the world, and can go against worldly reason and logic.

i believe that God- and the word of God - has its OWN reason and logic held within it that is totally apart from mans reason and logic.

 

[Rick W]

I think that people have lost the ability to reason and think logically. Then I start communicating with them and then I KNOW that people have lost the ability to reason and think logically.

I wouldn't expect everyone to think as I do in terms of logic and reason. That becomes very apparent when someone disagrees with me. Otherwise they are very intelligent people. :D

 

[Rick W]

We have that nature to think someone is illogical or without the capacity to reason when they disagree with us. We're born with it. Learning to respect others' views without thinking of them as "logically challenged" (PC for other terms I've seen here :D ) is the hard part. It's learning to accept the fact people are going to disagree and not let it bother you. It's accepting the fact people are going to think differently. But once learned/accepted the reward is a peace of mind, a peace within. When it gets to the point you don't need the "last word" then you're on the right track. ;)

 

[Drew]

i believe that God- and the word of God - has its OWN reason and logic held within it that is totally apart from mans reason and logic.

If that is so, how do you - a human being - understand the Bible? Like the rest of us, you use the "logic" of understanding what words means, what the meanings of "noun", "verb" and "adjective" are, etc as you read the Bible.

Are you going to suggest that the Holy Spirit "beams" the "true meaning" into your mind, entirely bypassing your "human" reasoning powers? Well, you can say that, but then you abdicate the right to debate the scriptures with others by appealing to that same "human" logic.

I guess what I am really saying is this: God has chosen to communicate to us in the form of the written word. So we really have no choice but to use the "logic" of what words mean and how sentence work and how arguments are constructed in order to discern the truth that is there in the Bible.

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

i believe that God- and the word of God - has its OWN reason and logic held within it that is totally apart from mans reason and logic.

If that is so, how do you - a human being - understand the Bible? Like the rest of us, you use the "logic" of understanding what words means, what the meanings of "noun", "verb" and "adjective" are, etc as you read the Bible.

Are you going to suggest that the Holy Spirit "beams" the "true meaning" into your mind, entirely bypassing your "human" reasoning powers? Well, you can say that, but then you abdicate the right to debate the scriptures with others by appealing to that same "human" logic.

I guess what I am really saying is this: God has chosen to communicate to us in the form of the written word. So we really have no choice but to use the "logic" of what words mean and how sentence work and how arguments are constructed in order to discern the truth that is there in the Bible.

drew, i believe that it is scriptural and true that the natural man cannot understand the things of God. Gods ways and word is spiritually understood to correctly understand and that understanding-logic- and reason must come by the Holy Spirit in a person revealing what is said and meant to the reader.

The reason we have so many ideas on what scripture means is because some read by their flesh and their carnal logic and reason - some read by the Holy Spirit- some have a mixture of the two. Thank God He will change that soon, for the faithful.

Anyways, the things of the word of God, cannot be understood by carnal men simply by using logic and reasoning that they possess and having understanding of nouns and verbs.

The word of God does show us how REASON can be godly- and it can be carnal. For instance the word says
Isa 1:17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
Isa 1:18 ¶ Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

Come let us reason together!-

But we also see that the reasoning of wicked men, who walk in unbelief causes more doubt to come forth from them.And the mind of believers when our flesh gets in the way of our faith because of carnal reason.

Mat 16:7 And they reasoned among themselves, saying, [It is] because we have taken no bread.
Mat 16:8 [Which] when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread?


Mar 2:8 And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?

Luk 5:21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?
Luk 5:22 But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answering said unto them, What reason ye in your hearts?

So we can reason together with the Lord, but we can also reason in our flesh and have it be from doubt.

1Cr 2:10 But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.


1Cr 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.


1Cr 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.


1Cr 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.


1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.


1Cr 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.


1Cr 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

I am not saying that we do not understand nouns and verbs, i am saying that there is a reason and logic that is only spiritually understood and we get from the Spirit of God. And there is a carnal reason and logic that parades itself as wisdom but is really follish and cannot understand the things of the Spirit.