Edward
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So you're saying that, machines shall mingle their seed with the seed of men? Really? I don't buy that one bit.
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So you're saying that, machines shall mingle their seed with the seed of men? Really? I don't buy that one bit.
Dan 2:43 As you saw the iron mixed with soft clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage, but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay. (ESV)
Regardless of which translation one uses, there is simply no way that fallen angels should be in view here. That is reading into the text something this is not there. This is talking about the fourth kingdom, a future prophecy, where "they" refers to the people of the fourth kingdom. This is referring to the Roman Empire that did mix and marry those of other nations, at least in part as an attempt to strengthen ties with other countries.
Edward
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What? Look here:
Genesis 6:
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.../
How this verse reads contradicts what you say it says and means. They became men of renown. It doesn't say there were men in of renown in the earth in those days and also after that. You are twisting this Brother.
brujaq
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Why do you think God prohibited Israel from taking on nations, intermarrying, and mixing with folks with idols ?
Edward
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Contaminated bloodlines. They were a spiritual attack to ruin God's creation, and one day, God said, enough is enough.
Do any of you guys use the BlueLetterBible? Or a concordance? If you go through these passages which have been posted back into the original language, they read mighty different than mainstream beliefs. Just sayin'...
Maria E Abreu
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I answered what I understood to be your question.
If there was another question involved, please ask me in a separate question, so we can go one question at a time, and not misunderstand each other concerning this particular topic.
ME
Maria E Abreu
Member
Yes, that is correct.
Angels were not able to be drowned.
Yes, that is what I believe.
Here is my explanation that I gave Reba, with the scriptures.
6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; Jude 6
These angels left their own abode, and manifested as men, which we see is possible from examples such as Sodom and Gomorrah.
Here is that account
Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them, and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground. 2 And he said, “Here now, my lords, please turn in to your servant’s house and spend the night, and wash your feet; then you may rise early and go on your way.”
And they said, “No, but we will spend the night in the open square.” 3 But he insisted strongly; so they turned in to him and entered his house. Then he made them a feast, and baked unleavened bread, and they ate. 4 Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. 5 And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally.” Genesis 19:1-5
These angels came with the Lord to visit Abraham, and went to Sodom to after Abraham pleaded with the Lord on behalf of that city.
After the Lord agreed to spare the city if 10 righteous were found, the angels went to Sodom to see, which is where Genesis 19 picks up.
These homosexuals intended to have sex with the "men", who were actually angels, and had the ability to leave their abode in heavenly places and appear or manifest here on earth.
These angels first appeared with the Lord, when they visited Abraham, and were referred to as "men", while they were in the domain of the earth.
They were angels, yet they were "men" while on earth, having the ability to eat and drink.
Then the Lord appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. 2 So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, 3 and said, “My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant. 4 Please let a little water be brought, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree. 5 And I will bring a morsel of bread, that you may refresh your hearts. After that you may pass by, inasmuch as you have come to your servant.” They said, “Do as you have said.” Genesis 18:1-4
Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some have unwittingly entertained angels. Hebrews 13:2
ME
Maria E Abreu
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Now I have answered your two questions.
Please answer mine.
Since you are convince that the sons of God were not angels, can you explain how a spiritually dead male and female descendant of Adam, can reproduce a son of God?
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— Romans 5:12 NKJV
A human being must be born of God, by the Holy Spirit to be a son of God, with the exception of Adam who was created by God Himself.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6 NKJV
ME
brujaq
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Actually I never thought much about it until now .. Just what come to mind ..
Maria E Abreu
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First of all, I don't claim that fallen angels can produce offspring.
My belief and understanding is that angels, are called sons of God, and it was angels who left their domain and appeared as men and had relations with women.
If fallen angels were doing this right now, then they would be chained down in the bottom of hell, which would deplete the ranks of Satan.
I don't know.
What I do know, is these angels appeared to be men, not women, not angels, to the homosexuals of Sodom and Gomorrah.
ME
Wow.
That would be the million dollar question.
How in the world can a spiritually dead male and female descendant of Adam, reproduce a son of God?
JLB
Jim Parker
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The word "giant" comes from the Greek rendering of the word "Nephilim."
You can find some information about them at: https://www.gotquestions.org/Nephilim.html
I'm not endorsing their conclusions but it's one place to look among many.
Apparently, the Nephilim were not just terribly big, they were also terribly evil and at least part of the reason for the flood.
iakov the fool
Exo 21:6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges [Elohim]; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever. (ESV)
Psa 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you; (ESV)
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; (ESV)
So, Jesus tells the Jews that it is written in their law that they are called gods, by God. Psalm 82:6 not only has God saying that he has previously referred to the corrupt leaders as gods but here also as "children of the most high". Where does that previous reference come from? At a minimum, it comes from Ex. 21:6, which refers to human judges as Elohim.
If God refers to at least some people in the OT as gods and "children of the most high", then certainly it cannot be said that "no men were referred to as sons of God in the entire" OT.
So your question misses the point entirely. The Bible states in Ps. 82:6 that the judges God is speaking to are "gods, sons of the Most High." If the Bible states it, then your issue is with the Bible, not me.
It is also worth mentioning that to say "sons of God" in Gen. 6:2 refers to angels, is to divorce the text from the context of the preceding two chapters, 4 and 5. Those matter.
Why do you say that angels can't drown? What do you base that on?
Maria E Abreu
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If Jesus says that some of the children of Israel were called gods, elohim because the word of God came to them, then so be it.
Jesus did not call then "sons of God", but referred to them as "gods".
Please point out where Genesis 4 or 5 refers to the offspring of Adam as being sons of God?
Adam was made in the image and likeness of God, then he fell, and became spiritually dead.
The following shows the descendants of Adam as being in the image of man, not in the image of God, and were spiritually dead, as Romans 5:12 shows.
So Adam through Noah, we see no offspring as being called sons of God.
3 And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. 4 After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters. 5 So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died.
6 Seth lived one hundred and five years, and begot Enosh. 7 After he begot Enosh, Seth lived eight hundred and seven years, and had sons and daughters. 8 So all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years; and he died.
9 Enosh lived ninety years, and begot Cainan. 10 After he begot Cainan, Enosh lived eight hundred and fifteen years, and had sons and daughters. 11 So all the days of Enosh were nine hundred and five years; and he died. 12 Cainan lived seventy years, and begot Mahalalel. 13 After he begot Mahalalel, Cainan lived eight hundred and forty years, and had sons and daughters. 14 So all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years; and he died.
15 Mahalalel lived sixty-five years, and begot Jared. 16 After he begot Jared, Mahalalel lived eight hundred and thirty years, and had sons and daughters. 17 So all the days of Mahalalel were eight hundred and ninety-five years; and he died.18 Jared lived one hundred and sixty-two years, and begot Enoch. 19 After he begot Enoch, Jared lived eight hundred years, and had sons and daughters. 20 So all the days of Jared were nine hundred and sixty-two years; and he died.
21 Enoch lived sixty-five years, and begot Methuselah. 22 After he begot Methuselah, Enoch walked with God three hundred years, and had sons and daughters. 23 So all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. 24 And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.25 Methuselah lived one hundred and eighty-seven years, and begot Lamech. 26 After he begot Lamech, Methuselah lived seven hundred and eighty-two years, and had sons and daughters. 27 So all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred and sixty-nine years; and he died. 28 Lamech lived one hundred and eighty-two years, and had a son. 29 And he called his name Noah, saying, “This one will comfort us concerning our work and the toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord has cursed.” 30 After he begot Noah, Lamech lived five hundred and ninety-five years, and had sons and daughters. 31 So all the days of Lamech were seven hundred and seventy-seven years; and he died. 32 And Noah was five hundred years old, and Noah begot Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Genesis 5:3-31
Thank you for your research, and taking the time to answer me the best that you understand, which is all anyone can ask.
However, I still don't see that you answered my question.
Since you are convinced that the sons of God, in Genesis 6 were not angels, can you explain how a spiritually dead male and female descendant of Adam, can reproduce a son of God?
I personally don't see anyway a spiritually dead male and female descendant of Adam, can reproduce a son of God.
Remember these sons of God, came into the daughters of men, and produced giants.
Did any of the children of Israel, to whom the word of God came, produce any giants?
ME
Maria E Abreu
Member
The fact that they can fly and return to the spiritual domain, or go to other places in the heavenlies.
Do you believe Satan and all his fallen angels perished in the flood?
ME
You've missed the point entirely. Jesus is quoting Ps. 82:6, at least in part.
Psa 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you; (ESV)
Notice that as "gods" they are "sons of the Most High," that is, sons of God. There is no difference between "sons of the Most High" and "sons of God"; they're saying the same thing.
They don't but that is not my point. Genesis 4 begins with Cain and Abel, gives the descendants of Cain, and finishes with a brief mention of the birth of Seth, who is given in place of Abel. Look at how Genesis 4 finishes:
Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and called his name Seth, for she said, “God has appointed for me another offspring instead of Abel, for Cain killed him.”
Gen 4:26 To Seth also a son was born, and he called his name Enosh. At that time people began to call upon the name of the LORD. (ESV)
Then we have the beginning of Genesis 5:
Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God.
Gen 5:2 Male and female he created them, and he blessed them and named them Man when they were created.
Gen 5:3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he fathered a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.
Gen 5:4 The days of Adam after he fathered Seth were 800 years; and he had other sons and daughters.
Gen 5:5 Thus all the days that Adam lived were 930 years, and he died.
Gen 5:6 When Seth had lived 105 years, he fathered Enosh.
Gen 5:7 Seth lived after he fathered Enosh 807 years and had other sons and daughters.
Gen 5:8 Thus all the days of Seth were 912 years, and he died. (ESV)
Everything I bolded is significant. Notice that it starts by mentioning the "generations of Adam" and that "God created man...in the likeness of God." This is very important, as it goes on then to only mention the descendants of Seth.
Here are the key points:
1. Seth is a replacement for Abel, for whom "the LORD had regard" (Gen. 4:4, ESV).
2. People began to "call upon the name of the LORD" around the time of Enosh's birth (Seth's son).
3. The "book of the generations of Adam" beings by stating that God made man "in the likeness of God."
4. The "generations of Adam" make no mention of Cain and his line; it is only about Seth's line.
5. It ends with mention of Noah and his sons.
That is all a part of the context for chapter 6. Now we can consider chapter 6:
Gen 6:1 When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them,
Gen 6:2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. (ESV)
Notice here the order: first, daughters of men and then sons of God. This follows the order of chapters 4 and 5: Cain's descendants first, then Seth's. This seems to be more than just a coincidence.
All of this strongly supports the idea that the daughters of men were those of Cain's line and the sons of God, Seth's.
Maria E Abreu
Member
Yes, I agree that sons of the most high refers to sons of God.
However, Psalm 82 is refering to angels, not descendants of Adam.
God stands in the congregation of the mighty;
He judges among the gods.
2 How long will you judge unjustly,
And show partiality to the wicked? Selah
3 Defend the poor and fatherless;
Do justice to the afflicted and needy.
4 Deliver the poor and needy;
Free them from the hand of the wicked.
5 They do not know, nor do they understand;
They walk about in darkness;
All the foundations of the earth are unstable.
6 I said, “You are gods,
And all of you are children of the Most High.
7 But you shall die like men,
And fall like one of the princes.”
8 Arise, O God, judge the earth;
For You shall inherit all nations.
Psalms 82:1-8
Clearly you shall die "like" men, does not refer to men.
The context is clear to me, that this is a prophecy against disobedient angels.
ME
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I did. I said: "So your question misses the point entirely. The Bible states in Ps. 82:6 that the judges God is speaking to are "gods, sons of the Most High." If the Bible states it, then your issue is with the Bible, not me."
Your question is irrelevant since the Bible does refer to men as "gods" and "sons of the Most High," or sons of God.
Where are giants mentioned? You're presuming that giants can only be offspring if angels are involved. But there is no basis for this.
Maria E Abreu
Member
I'm sorry brother, but there is no mention of sons of God, in Genesis 5, the very context of Genesis 6.
Sons of God, refers to angels in Genesis 6, and the verbiage clarifies this by the Holy Spirit saying, daughter of men.
Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. Genesis 6:1-2
Jude confirms these were angels.
6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; Jude.
I know you at least believe Jude, right?
ME
Maria E Abreu
Member
Yes the bible says in Psalm 82, sons of the Most High.
However as I pointed out, this is referring to angels, not men.
God stands in the congregation of the mighty;
He judges among the gods.
2 How long will you judge unjustly,
And show partiality to the wicked? Selah
3 Defend the poor and fatherless;
Do justice to the afflicted and needy.
4 Deliver the poor and needy;
Free them from the hand of the wicked.
5 They do not know, nor do they understand;
They walk about in darkness;
All the foundations of the earth are unstable.
6 I said, “You are gods,
And all of you are children of the Most High.
7 But you shall die like men,
And fall like one of the princes.”
8 Arise, O God, judge the earth;
For You shall inherit all nations.
Psalms 82:1-8
Clearly you shall die "like" men, does not refer to men.
ME