Soul sleep false?

[DRS81]

How about Hell, is it a fictitious place as well.

Jesus said the rich man was in hell.

Why would Jesus say that Lazarus was in Abraham's Bosom.

Heaven and Hell are real places, but when you describe them in a parable they become something else. Words can describe feelings and thoughts inside of us. When a mother is reading her child a fictional story the child is processing his/her feelings about the story through words, but the story is still fictional. The child however is learning moral lessons through this story even though it's fictional. The same reality applies here. Our relationship with God is real, so he's using words that will get our attention to teach us lessons about our relationship with Him. The mother here is God reading the story to his child which is us. He's using fictional places and fictional people to describe a nonfictional relationship with Him. One of the clues that he's using a fictional place is that Hades is only mentioned once in the Bible as a place of torment, and this parable is it.

Jesus is using heaven and hell to describe our relationship with God. For example, how do you feel about the word (prison) and the word (freedom). When someone says that person is going to prison or that person is free as a bird how do you feel. I'm not literally a bird, but I feel like one. That's how free I am. You think and feel a certain way with certain words. Words can change how we look at God and our relationship with him through our hearts and minds. When God speaks to our hearts and minds, he uses words. The Word of God includes words, and it penetrates your soul and spirit, joints and marrow. - DRS81

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

 

[Butch5]

That's a good point, as in the demon manifested a vision. If tomorrow can mean future then this demon told the truth regardless, but telling the truth doesn't necessarily mean Saul is going to heaven. The demon mixed lies with truth? One thing that really confuses me here is that I don't know if Saul died a nonbeliever or not. Samuel died a believer, so if Saul died a believer then 1 Sam 28:19 really does speak of Samuel. (1 Sam 28:19 The LORD will deliver both Israel and you into the hands of the Philistines, and tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The LORD will also give the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines.") It's interesting.

I think that phrase "will be with me" just refers to being dead.

 

[DRS81]

I think that phrase "will be with me" just refers to being dead.

Agreed.

 

[Butch5]

This was different, Samuel was speaking from beyond the grave. Not sure this fits neatly into a nice systematic theology.

How is it different the whole account is from the perspective of the writer?

1) This is in Ezekiel, which wasn't spoken until after Saul was dead.
2) Saul died the next day after inquiring a prophet from beyond the grave.

His immanent death after consulting a medium was perhaps a part of his punishment for doing such, and Samuel was relaying God's judgment.

Yes, the passage is in Ezekiel, however, I don't think this is something new that God's just revealing.

It seems more that Samuel is relaying what God already said to him, and then an ominous pronouncement of his impending death.

I might agree if the dead could speak, but I don't think that has been established.

This seems to be stretching it a bit, the Philistines killed his sons and Saul killed himself. If the narrator designates this person as Samuel, when it really isn't, is that not very misleading. Especially if this person were actually a demon.

Not at all, we find this elsewhere in the Scriptures.

NKJ Genesis 18:1 Then the LORD appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre1, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day.
2 So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground,
3 and said, "My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant. (Gen 18:1-3 NKJ)

NKJ Genesis 19:1 Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them, and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground.
2 And he said, "Here now, my lords, please turn in to your servant's house and spend the night, and wash your feet; then you may rise early and go on your way." And they said, "No, but we will spend the night in the open square."
3 But he insisted strongly; so they turned in to him and entered his house. Then he made them a feast, and baked unleavened bread, and they ate.
4 Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house.
5 And they called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally."
6 So Lot went out to them through the doorway, shut the door behind him,
7 and said, "Please, my brethren, do not do so wickedly!
8 "See now, I have two daughters who have not known a man; please, let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you wish; only do nothing to these men, since this is the reason they have come under the shadow of my roof."
9 And they said, "Stand back!" Then they said, "This one came in to stay here, and he keeps acting as a judge; now we will deal worse with you than with them." So they pressed hard against the man Lot, and came near to break down the door.
10 But the men reached out their hands and pulled Lot into the house with them, and shut the door.
11 And they struck the men who were at the doorway of the house with blindness, both small and great, so that they became weary trying to find the door.
12 Then the men said to Lot, "Have you anyone else here? Son-in-law, your sons, your daughters, and whomever you have in the city-- take them out of this place!
13 "For we will destroy this place, because the outcry against them has grown great before the face of the LORD, and the LORD has sent us to destroy it."
14 So Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law, who had married his daughters, and said, "Get up, get out of this place; for the LORD will destroy this city!" But to his sons-in-law he seemed to be joking.
15 When the morning dawned, the angels urged Lot to hurry, saying, "Arise, (Gen 19:1-15 NKJ)

Here these two are clearly angels yet the Scriptures call them men. They even use the word for a mortal man. I think this like the case with Samuel is from a human perspective. If I remember correctly the book of Samuel is an historical record of the kings of Israel. If that is the I'm not surprised that it would be written from the perspective of the king or his historian.

Samuel actually seemed confused as to why he was disturbed, as if someone woke him up from a deep sleep.

As Samuel said:

“Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?”

He didn't know the context or reason for why he was summoned.

OK, if we say he didn't know, thus he didn't obey, don't we have to say that the medium or a similar spirit had power over him?

 

[chessman]

Do you believe that Hades can be empirically verified? If we sent a probe to the center of the earth, would there be people there?

Do you?

The heart of the earth is the center of the earth.

Jesus descended down to the heart of the earth after He was crucified.

Hell is where there is fire.

If you don't believe this, then watch a Volcano erupt.

JLB

How do you decide when a phrase is literal or figutative? And which parts are figurative.

For example, taken literally the phrase "hearth of the Earth" means this planet has a blood pumping muscle and that's where Jesus went. It really doesn't say "center of the Earth". You assume that's what the author meant by the phrase. Probably via the modern usage example like "heart of dixie".

Genesis 8:21 And Yahweh smelled the soothing fragrance, and Yahweh said to himself, “Never again will I curse the ground for the sake of humankind, because the inclination of the heart of humankind is evil from his youth. Nor will I ever again destroy all life as I have done.
​

God doesn't have a nose. Man's emotion is not literally in his heart either. These are idioms (figure of speech). Many are Biblically based still used today. They meant something and still do. But did "heart of the Earth" mean it's molten iron core geographic location? Of course not.

Jesus continues His prophecy about His death "in the heart of the Earth" with a reference to Isaiah:

Matthew 13:15 For the heart of this people has become dull,and with their ears they hear with difficulty,and they have shut their eyes,so that they would not see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them.”
​

"The heart of the Earth" meant death (burial), not the center of the Earth. Just as Jonah's use of "heart of the seas" and "foundations of the mountains" were. They derive their meanings from the reality. The sea in Jonah's case and the Earth in Jesus'.

And to miss His point, is to miss God's Word.

Jonah 2:3 And you threw me into the deep,into the heart of the seas,

... And I said, ‘I am banished from your sight;how will I continue to look on your holy temple?’

I went down to the foundations of the mountains;the Underworld—its bars were around me forever. But you brought up my life from the pit, Yahweh my God.
​

What is the "sign" we have, that we trust in, that Jesus is God? His death/burial/resurrection! That was and still is the most important foundation to being a Christian. Jesus said He would be three days in "the heart of the Earth" was the sign they asked for Him to produce and for them to see. And it was and they saw it. They just didn't get His answer, since they were Pharisees and He was intentionally being obscure.

Matthew 12:38-39 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered him saying, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from you!” But he answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation desires a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah! ​

Matthew 12:40 ..., so the Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.​

This was Jesus' way of telling them he would die and be buried and be raised in three days! (not His teaching about the geography of the Earth or about volcanos).

 

[JLB]

Do you?





How do you decide when a phrase is literal or figutative? And which parts are figurative.

For example, taken literally the phrase "hearth of the Earth" means this planet has a blood pumping muscle and that's where Jesus went. It really doesn't say "center of the Earth". You assume that's what the author meant by the phrase. Probably via the modern usage example like "heart of dixie".

Genesis 8:21 And Yahweh smelled the soothing fragrance, and Yahweh said to himself, “Never again will I curse the ground for the sake of humankind, because the inclination of the heart of humankind is evil from his youth. Nor will I ever again destroy all life as I have done.
​

God doesn't have a nose. Man's emotion is not literally in his heart either. These are idioms (figure of speech). Many are Biblically based still used today. They meant something and still do. But did "heart of the Earth" mean it's molten iron core geographic location? Of course not.

Jesus continues His prophecy about His death "in the heart of the Earth" with a reference to Isaiah:

Matthew 13:15 For the heart of this people has become dull,and with their ears they hear with difficulty,and they have shut their eyes,so that they would not see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them.”
​

"The heart of the Earth" meant death (burial), not the center of the Earth. Just as Jonah's use of "heart of the seas" and "foundations of the mountains" were. They derive their meanings from the reality. The sea in Jonah's case and the Earth in Jesus'.

And to miss His point, is to miss God's Word.

Jonah 2:3 And you threw me into the deep,into the heart of the seas,

... And I said, ‘I am banished from your sight;how will I continue to look on your holy temple?’

I went down to the foundations of the mountains;the Underworld—its bars were around me forever. But you brought up my life from the pit, Yahweh my God.
​

What is the "sign" we have, that we trust in, that Jesus is God? His death/burial/resurrection! That was and still is the most important foundation to being a Christian. Jesus said He would be three days in "the heart of the Earth" was the sign they asked for Him to produce and for them to see. And it was and they saw it. They just didn't get His answer, since they were Pharisees and He was intentionally being obscure.

Matthew 12:38-39 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered him saying, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from you!” But he answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation desires a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah! ​

Matthew 12:40 ..., so the Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.​

This was Jesus' way of telling them he would die and be buried and be raised in three days! (not His teaching about the geography of the Earth or about volcanos).

38 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, "Teacher, we want to see a sign from You." 39 But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Matthew 12:38-40

And Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise." Luke 23:43


Do you believe that the Paradise that Jesus referred to was in His tomb?

Do you believe that Jesus was asleep in His tomb, with the thief?

Only Jesus was buried in the Tomb, yet He said to the thief, today you will be with Me in Paradise.

Jesus descended down into the heart of the earth for three days, before He ascended to Heaven.

9 (Now this, "He ascended"--what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.) Ephesians 4:9-10

He filled all of the lower parts of the earth as He filled the Heavens above, for He filled all things!


JLB

 

[DRS81]

And Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise." Luke 23:43

Jesus answered him, "Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise." What was the thief concerned about, that he would enter into the kingdom today or that he would simply be remembered? (Luke 23:42 Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.") The thief was only concerned about coming into the kingdom, coming into the kingdom today right after he died wasn't on his mind. So Jesus emphasized today to give the thief peace of mind before he died.

 

[JLB]

Jesus answered him, "Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise." What was the thief concerned about, that he would enter into the kingdom today or that he would simply be remembered? (Luke 23:42 Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.") The thief was only concerned about coming into the kingdom, coming into the kingdom today right after he died wasn't on his mind. So Jesus emphasized today to give the thief peace of mind before he died.

Why are you changing what the word of God teaches us?

What is your goal in doing this?

And Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise." Luke 23:43


JLB

 

[DRS81]

Why are you changing what the word of God teaches us?

What is your goal in doing this?

And Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise." Luke 23:43


JLB

I'm not changing anything.
The translators are what changed the word of God.
I'm simply bringing this to your attention because you refuse to acknowledge it.
There were no commas in the original manuscripts.
To understand vs 43 you would have to go to vs 42 and understand what the thief wanted.

 

[DRS81]

Jesus said, Today you will be with Me in Paradise.

Which translation would you like to use?


JLB

In this case, Luke 23:42-43 has nothing to do with translations in regards to the word (today). It has to do with where the comma was placed and the meaning of the text. When you study this scripture you need to keep three things in mind. First, there were no commas in the original manuscripts. Secondly, you need to ask yourself what the thief was asking for in verse 42. Thirdly, you need to ask yourself what the Hebrew and Greek word for Paradise really means. - DRS81

 

[JLB]

In this case, Luke 23:42-43 has nothing to do with translations in regards to the word (today). It has to do with where the comma was placed and the meaning of the text. When you study this scripture you need to keep three things in mind. First, there were no commas in the original manuscripts. Secondly, you need to ask yourself what the thief was asking for in verse 42. Thirdly, you need to ask yourself what the Hebrew and Greek word for Paradise really means. - DRS81

Jesus descended down into the heart of the earth and then after three days ascended to the Heaven.

The thief was with Jesus in Paradise on that day that He was on the cross.

And Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise." Luke 23:43


Which version of the Bible shows this verse as being different than the one I used?


JLB

 

[reba]

Whoa guys.... Remember the TOS. This post not necessarily directed at the last poster..... Some clean up is needed...

2.4: . . . Do not make an inflammatory remark just to get a response. Address issues not personalities. Respect where people are in their spiritual walk, and respect all others in general. Respect where others are in their spiritual walk, do not disrupt the flow of discussion or act in a way that affects others negatively including when debating doctrinal issues, in the defense of the Christian faith, and in offering unwelcome spiritual advice. ADMIN

 

[reba]

Both translations of Luke 23:42,43 are represented lets move on... ADMIN

 

[DRS81]

And Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise." Luke 23:43

Which version of the Bible shows this verse as being different than the one I used?

The original manuscripts where there are no commas...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_codices_Sinaiticus_and_Vaticanus
Punctuation wasn't added until many years later.
The original manuscript reads.........And Jesus said to him Assuredly I say to you today you will be with Me in Paradise

 

[WIP]

Jesus answered him, "Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise." What was the thief concerned about, that he would enter into the kingdom today or that he would simply be remembered? (Luke 23:42 Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.") The thief was only concerned about coming into the kingdom, coming into the kingdom today right after he died wasn't on his mind. So Jesus emphasized today to give the thief peace of mind before he died.

Or perhaps the thief realizing that his fate was deserved, confessed to Jesus and Jesus reply took it a step further in saying, not only will I remember you but you will be with me for I have forgiven you!!

Thank God for Jesus for without Him we are truly lost!

 

[JLB]

The original manuscripts where there are no commas...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_codices_Sinaiticus_and_Vaticanus
Punctuation wasn't added until many years later.
The original manuscript reads.........And Jesus said to him Assuredly I say to you today you will be with Me in Paradise

Which is perfectly clear that Jesus was saying today, not some future day, you will be with Me in Paradise.

Jesus descended down into the heart of the earth where both hell and Abraham's Bosom was located.


JLB

 

[DRS81]

Or perhaps the thief realizing that his fate was deserved, confessed to Jesus and Jesus reply took it a step further in saying, not only will I remember you but you will be with me for I have forgiven you!!

Hi WIP. Correct, the thief became born again right there on the cross. But the thief is dead now in his grave awaiting the first resurrection like the rest of us.

Which is perfectly clear that Jesus was saying today, not some future day, you will be with Me in Paradise.

How is it perfectly clear without adding any comma's in Luke 23:43., please explain. Also explain the word Paradise.

Jesus descended down into the heart of the earth where both hell and Abraham's Bosom was located.

The word hell is actually mythological.
Gehenna is the correct term here,
and nobody is in Gehenna right now not even the devil and his angels.
And Abraham's Bosom is a fictional place.

 

[JLB]

Hi WIP. Correct, the thief became born again right there on the cross. But the thief is dead now in his grave awaiting the first resurrection like the rest of us.



How is it perfectly clear without adding any comma's in Luke 23:43., please explain. Also explain the word Paradise.



The word hell is actually mythological.
Gehenna is the correct term here,
and nobody is in Gehenna right now not even the devil and his angels.
And Abraham's Bosom is a fictional place.

Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." Matthew 25:41,46


Let's see now, olam is not in the original manuscripts.
Hell is not mentioned in these verse.
Gehenna is not mention in this verse.
Abraham's Bosom is not mentioned in this verse.

Your position is all version's of the bible are mistranslated.

or

Jesus teaching about life after the death of the body is fictional.


Not looking good for your position, here Brother!


JLB

 

[chessman]

Do you believe that the Paradise that Jesus referred to was in His tomb?
JLB

No, I don’t. I believe He meant what He said. However, I also believe when he said for three days he would be in the “heart of the Earth”, He meant it to be understood (and it was at the time) to mean He was going to die and His body would spend three days in a tomb (which it did). He was NOT speaking of a geographical location such as the “center of the Earth” where either His body or His spirit went, yet that’s what you said it was. That’s my only debate with you here. I don’t believe in soul sleep any more than I do body sleep during the intermediate state.

My questions and DI’s was about the phrase “in the heart of the Earth”

It is a phrase that was and should be understood similar to how we use the phrase “six feet under” to mean buried. Nothing more, nothing less. Is does not mean that Jesus went to the center of the Earth for three days spiritually speaking.

But regardless, your questions and response here does not answer the questions that were posed to you.

1. Do you believe that Hades can be empirically verified? If we sent a probe to the center of the earth, would there be people there?
2. How do you decide when a phrase is literal or figurative? And which parts are figurative.​

Do you believe that Jesus was asleep in His tomb, with the thief?
JLB

No. Nor do I think either the thief or Jesus were located in the center of the Earth physically or spiritually for three days. You might notice that the Scriptures teach us exactly where Jesus’ body was for those three days (in an Earthen tomb) and it was not in the center of the Earth. And I"m perfectly fine for both Jesus' spirit and the saved theif's spirit being in "paradise" for three days. I can assure you, that being in the center of this planet for three days would be no paradise, however. Luckily, the Bible never says "paridise" is at the center of the Earth.

Jesus descended down into the heart of the earth for three days, before He ascended to Heaven.
9 (Now this, "He ascended"--what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.) Ephesians 4:9-10
JLB

Eph 4 is NOT on the same subject of Matt 12:40 nor is it teaching where Jesus was for three days/three nights, geographically speaking or spiritually speaking. It’s not even the same subject, much less the same phrase.

“The Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth three days and three night” equals
“He descended to the lower regions of the Earth”. That’s atrocious exegesis and hermeneutics! Not to mention that you’ve missed the beautiful point Paul is making in Ephesians 4 if you think the phrase “descended to the lower regions of the earth” is a reference to Jesus’ journeying to the center of the Earth for three days spiritually. Not to mention David would have a very, very hard time singing joyously about God spending three days in Hell.

Also for consistency, you must think David spent time there prior to His birth:
Ps 135:15

My frame was not hidden from you,
when I was created secretly,
and intricately woven
in the depths of the earth. [same Hebrew phrase!]​

The Phrase Paul uses is clearly a reference to Jesus’ incarnation (His time living/breathing/teaching on Earth and yes dying too) as is Ps 68. Where as, the totally different phrase in Matt 12 is a reference to Jesus’ death and time in the tomb.

Wow, God Himself becoming a man (becoming babe in the womb actually as David was in his mother’s womb) then living a sin free life and even dying for us, now that’s Grace! was Paul’s point. And it was David’s (via Ps 68) truth as well. David sang about a God dwelling with man, a thousand years before Christ was born. He was not singing about Jesus going to the center of the Earth for three days.

“[Jesus] Who is over all, and through all, and in all (even becoming human and dying) is victorious over death (not fallen angels) and believers can be too.

You think Paul was using the ascension/descending of Jesus to teach us what Jesus was doing (preaching to fallen angels) and where He was at for those three days? I don’t.

I think Paul was fully aware of what Ps 68 meant and that the resurrection AND the ascension meant Jesus was/is God (Yahweh). Couldn't be more contrastive, I suppse.

Sing to God, sing praises to his name. Lift up a song to the rider on the clouds—his name is Yah—and rejoice before him. Ps 68:4)​

Paul’s point was that Jesus was the God-Man and he used Psalm 68’s reference to God, Yahweh Himself, riding on the clouds to prove that Jesus was God come to Earth (descended) and has now gone back (ascended). I.e. God first had to descend to Earth from above yet He ascended back to Heaven (riding on the clouds) to give gifts to all (including the gift of victory over death). For there to even be an ascension (a riding on the clouds, so to speak) in the first place, God (Yahweh) had to be the one doing it. That’s one of the reasons Paul mentions Ps 68. Preaching to demons in Hell is NOT another reason. And if you go read Psalm 68 with an open mind you can see why it cannot be a reason that these phrases are equal to “in the heart of the Earth”:

Ps 68:
A mountain of God is the mountain of Bashan;
a mountain of many peaks is the mountain of Bashan.​

[There are many gifts from God given to NT Christians, see Eph 4 for details.]

16 Why do you look with hostility, O many-peaked mountains?
This mountain God desires for his dwelling.​

[The incarnation predicted! And BTW God desires a church of many members to dwell with, see Eph 4:11-16 for details.]

Yes, Yahweh will abide in it forever.
17 The chariots of God are twice ten thousand, with thousands doubled.
The Lord is among them at Sinai, distinctive in victory. ​

[The incarnation and Jesus’ victory over death! Who BTW is the only, and I mean only way to be victorious over death.]

18 You have ascended on high; you have led away captives.
You have received gifts from among humankind,​

[Leading Demons away ‘captive’ is NOT in context here. But leading away people (humankind) from the captivity of Death (v20) sure is. David is singing about God coming to Earth, indeed becoming The Son of Man (in the form of Jesus) and defeating death (victorious over it at His resurrection and proclaimed truth at His ascension), some 1,000 years prior to Christ. Amazing! Don’t miss out on it so that you can teach that Jesus preached to angels in Hell which is (or was) located at the center of the Earth for three days/nights. Regardless, I don’t buy it. Why? Read verse 18 well:]

and even from the rebellious, so that Yah God may dwell there.
19 Blessed be the Lord. Daily he loads us with benefits,
the God of our salvation. Selah ​

[Get it? That God may dwell there, is NOT talking about God dwelling in the center of the Earth for three days/nights nor was Paul talking about it when he referenced it, but you sure are.
Once or twice Paul points out in His epistles that Jesus is our salvation (the only way for the Jew or the Gentile), as I recall, to receive salvation from death. In Eph 4, He makes the point that Jesus is God via the texts within of Ps 68 and that God ‘descended to Earth’ in Jesus! God desires to dwell there! To take Paul’s mention of Ps 68 in Eph 4 as a teaching about demons (or fallen angels or whatever you call them) located in Hell (the ‘center of the Earth’, which is not even a phrase used in the Bible) and relate it to Matt 12:40 is an atrocious teaching (in my opinion) of either Matt 12 or Eph 4 or Ps 68.]
Oh, and BTW (God of our salvation, from what?):

20 Our God is a God of deliverances,
and to the Yahweh the Lord belong escapes from death.​

[Except of course those that escape death on your view of what the LoF really means. You know, experiencing a life of eternal conscious torment, not a 2nd death of both the body and the soul. And that is NOT their eternal destruction (but rather a never ending process toward destruction, yet never actually making it to their actual destruction even though the Bible says they (the wicked) will be destroyed and perish in Ps 68 and all over the place (except of course your one verse that’s talking about the Devil and his angels.)]

 

[DRS81]

Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." Matthew 25:41,46


Let's see now, olam is not in the original manuscripts.
Hell is not mentioned in these verse.
Gehenna is not mention in this verse.
Abraham's Bosom is not mentioned in this verse.

1. Olam is a Hebrew Word translated into the Greek word 'Aionion', that's why olam is not in Matt 25:41. The correct translation is.....'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the aiōnios fire prepared for the devil and his angels: And these will go away into aiōnios punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
2. Correct, hell is not mentioned in Matt 25:41. This scripture is referring to Gehenna. Gehenna and hell are the same place. The only difference is that the word Gehenna is what the Bible teaches. The word hell is just another faulty English translation.
3. Gehenna is where the devil and his angels will be after judgment. Gehenna is also the lake of fire in Rev 20:10.
4. That's because Abraham's Bosom is a fictional place.