JohnDB
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I'm sorry,There's no real common ground as we commune at different altars. As a consequence, I'm left with describing how and why the true altar appears in reality. I do not accept what isn't real; it would be like saying we can turn gravity on and off at will - it doesn't describe reality. Whereas Catholics have a single altar, while each non-Catholic has his own altar of reality within himself. This is the non-Catholic's choice to be grounded in himself as an authority whose rule and measure is not in himself. Conversely in Catholicism the "church of the living God" is the "pillar and ground of the truth." [1 Timothy 3:15].
As such, common ground looses all sense of mutual understanding.
This post in and of itself is an example, likely you don't have a clue as to why I would say there is no common ground. The practice of non-Catholics to accept principles not their own insofar as meet some vague image of their own concept of truth, whether it be true or not, i.e. accepting the “the tyranny of tolerance" [Pope Benedict XVI]. That is to say tolerance can be a virtue, however tolerance is its own enemy as it cannot tolerate intolerance.
So, were back to the subject of the thread. Mary should be, must be, for right reasoning in the faith of Jesus Christ a central figure through which God acts for our salvation. She is a singularity in Christology tying Old Testament prophesy with God's New Covenant, without whom Christ remains a mystic - a bad thing.
JosephT
But to be honest many of us are not going to be able to follow these leaps of logic.
Jesus' "true ecclessia/church" is God's. Meaning that it is uncountable and not measurable. Ecclessia means "called out ones". And when you have to include the many different churches in the area that Timothy ministered to (Ephasus, Corinth, Philipi, and etc) there were already factions and divisions in these different cities. (And different things in different cities as evidenced by the letters in Revelation) Some were following bad theological precepts and some good ones as well.
So to say that they were all united in theology and denomination is really stretching things a bit.
And then to include Mary solely because she was the vehicle of Christ's entrance to the Earth because she was mentioned in the Old Testament is stretching things. (Going beyond what is written)
Furthermore you assert that "Protestant" denominations all follow whatever the particular pastor says... again that's stretching things. Many Protestant denominations have a hierchy. (Methodists are a prime example.)
It's not up to an individual pastor. What you assert for the Pastor in Baptist churches may be true but I know that I don't follow the pastor in many of his theological positions he preaches. (I'm not sure he does either)
In short, the Bible (through careful hermeneutics) is the final authority in most Protestant denominations. Not any one individual person.
I understand where you hold dearly to the Catholic Church based on what you have delineated here. But to paint all Protestants with a very broad brush in such a fashion isn't exactly prudent on your part.