Standing With Ukraine: The Blind Leading The Blind

[miamited]

Has the government/military ever lied to the American people in the past?

Hi Phoneman777

So, if the government has ever lied to me, then I'm to believe that soldiers are on the ground in Ukraine and their bodies are just disappearing. Is that the game, here? If the government lied once, then they're always lying! Sorry, that's not how God wired my mind.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Jay G]

Wow, this is really reach8ng. The US also has a nazi party. I guess everyone here in the US is a Nazi now to.

I am neither of those. You need to demonstrate how Ukrain is mostly Nazi.

Do you even know what a Nazi is?

Milk-Drops I am very familiar with Nazi and the spirit of it.
Let's go with the minimization of nazi government in Ukraine. If a person is aware that a minority nazi party exists in a country and that same person supports this country then that person supports nazis in a minor way or is willing to tolerate it. Bottom line it is still support with knowledge of nazism. That by definition is sympathizing. But since you appeared to change your position on having knowledge of nazis in Ukraine it may be more or perhaps fear of what people may think.

Or it could be 'the enemy of my enemy is an ally'. Perhaps you have a hatred for Russia, a Christian nation, so you are willing to wink at it?

Let me ask you a question. There is no right or wrong answer. Do you believe the planet is over populated?

 

[miamited]

Hi Riven

Right now. Even a year after the start of the Ukraine conflict, 65% of Americans support our cause of their defense.

I need to correct one statement that I made. The 65% in support of the Ukraine action was actually December last year. I think that today it has dropped to about 48%.

Here's the link if you want to look at it: https://news.gallup.com/poll/469328/one-year-later-americans-stand-ukraine.aspx

God bless,
Ted

 

[Riven]

hi Riven

Yes, there are a lot of politicians that seem to be self-serving today. Get no argument out of me, but it's also an issue that I know the government has had to deal with for probably the last, what 300 years. Yes, it could be worse and likely will be, depending on who we put in charge over things. While I don't disagree with any of your complaint, I don't think that the issue is something that is new to our government system for at least the last 40 years. So, what do you do? When the presidential election comes up, you vote for whoever you think is the best candidate for the job.

It's not a new problem, but I think it's getting worse.

If your candidate wins...great! But your life still won't be trouble free. If your candidate loses...sorry! But your life still won't be trouble free.

The goal shouldn't be to make my life trouble free by voting for a particular candidate. Instead, it should be to make my life a little bit better.

Yes, and as far as I can tell our issues are being addressed. Now, are they being addressed the way that you or I want them to be addressed?...well, maybe not so much.

They are not. Ukraine's issues are being addressed directly. Why isn't that direct approach not applied to America's issues?

The border. Hey, our southern border has always been a problem and likely always will be.

For the reasons I outlined, yes. They don't want to fix it.

Look we have a sign hanging on our front door: "Give us your huddled masses yearning to be free..." We hoot and holler to the entire world what a great place we have to live and how absolutely rich even our poor people are, comparatively speaking.

It's time to take that sign down. We needed it when the country was just starting out. But now we have 330 million people. It's not necessary anymore.

And again, for me, Jesus compels me to love them. He asks me to love everyone. So, while I certainly believe that we need to have orderly and responsible immigration; for me that just means that we make sure to vet everyone attempting to move here.

Which we cannot do because of the sheer volume of migrants.

Really? And you'd vote for someone who was that ornery?

Yes. I hate beaurocracy.

Yes, and here's where one needs to step back and be a bit more pragmatic about how life works. If you're not 'in' government...no one is ever going to come and ask you how you feel about things.

Then one can't wax poetic about the virtues of democracy over the alternatives. It is just as authoritarian as any dictatorship in practice. They do what they wish once they're in power and they are accountable to no one.

Well, this is where you have to stop and remind yourself that we live in a democratic republic. Right now. Even a year after the start of the Ukraine conflict, 65% of Americans support our cause of their defense.

Despite the fact that they can't find it on a map. The average American supports it because they're told to. You do realize that the average American doesn't even know that their taxes fund the government? Or what the Food & Drug Administration does? Is it any wonder why they're so easily talked into supporting foreign wars and talked out of healthcare?

I know it's a strong compulsion for us to think that everybody else is like me, but that often isn't true. So, as a democratic republic, then the U.S. is doing the right thing in Ukraine according to the will of the people. You don't have to be happy with it, but it is how life works in a democratic republic.

Wouldn't matter even if it wasn't the will of the people. Look at the Vietnam war. How many Americans out of those 65% are even aware that it's their tax dollars being used to fund the continuation the war?

 

[Milk-Drops]

If you are a democrat yes you are a nazi. You can also be a right nazi but nazism historically is a left sided party.

I'm not a Democrat or Nazi. I don't subscribe to National Socialism, which is the ideology that the Jewish people are masterminding the the supression of the German Race. I don't subscribe to that at all. I'm not going to get to right vs left nazi nonsense since you don't seem to understand what a nazi even is.

Now you are asking for proof of nazi in Ukraine? Your trying to back track your confession. But for entertainment I will prove there is nazi in Ukraine. As far as proving there is Nazism in Ukraine here is my proof. You are my proof. Let me quote you, " Look there has been no denial that there is a minority party (one seat) of Neo Nazis. They have no real power."

Wow you are a lying and manipulative weasel. I asked you to demonstrate how Ukrain is mostly Nazi. Anyone can go back and see that was my question to you. Do you have an answer or are you just a Russian bot?

Now I'm going to insist that you explain your statement above. and then when confronted attempt to mislead asking for proof of nazi in Ukraine. Your digging a bigger hole now. Best to come clean. Your not the only one on this portal if that makes you feel better. It's time to have that conversation. Jesus died for nazis too. I love them and want too see them saved.

Is English your first language?

 

[Milk-Drops]

Milk-Drops I am very familiar with Nazi and the spirit of it.
Let's go with the minimization of nazi government in Ukraine. If a person is aware that a minority nazi party exists in a country and that same person supports this country then that person supports nazis in a minor way or is willing to tolerate it. Bottom line it is still support with knowledge of nazism. That by definition is sympathizing. But since you appeared to change your position on having knowledge of nazis in Ukraine it may be more or perhaps fear of what people may think.

Or it could be 'the enemy of my enemy is an ally'. Perhaps you have a hatred for Russia, a Christian nation, so you are willing to wink at it?

Let me ask you a question. There is no right or wrong answer. Do you believe the planet is over populated?

No I don't think the planet is over populated. Let me guess, you are Either a fan of Dugin or Maupin. Probably Dugin since you said the Nazis were left wing. I do not subscribe to malthusianism.

 

[Milk-Drops]

To those following, Extreme right wing Russian nationalists follow Alexsander Dugin. Everyone against Russia is basicly a Nazi/Fascist. Russia wants to stomp out Nazism.


Caleb Maupin is a "Journalist" that worked for Iran and Russia theough their media outlets and identifies as a Marxist Leninist Socialist for American Socialism.

Both have worked with each other and spread Russian Propaghanda against the US government and its ventures. Dugin bring right wing and Caleb left wing.

 

[jasonc]

To those following, Extreme right wing Russian nationalists follow Alexsander Dugin. Everyone against Russia is basicly a Nazi/Fascist. Russia wants to stomp out Nazism.


Caleb Maupin is a "Journalist" that worked for Iran and Russia theough their media outlets and identifies as a Marxist Leninist Socialist for American Socialism.

Both have worked with each other and spread Russian Propaghanda against the US government and its ventures. Dugin bring right wing and Caleb left wing.

I'm not a fan of the Ukraine war but that's rich .freedom in Russia ?

Is that why Russian today are Very cold to strangers , distrustful .it's because of what was done to them by the soviets .
That is told by a man married to a Ukrainian who has family in Russia and having gone to Russia to meet them.

 

[Barbarian]

So this system of government that we have doesn't represent me at all. There was no democratic process with regards to all of these foreign interventions. I was never asked my opinion about Ukraine. Should we intervene? My answer would have been no, because we don't have a defense treaty with them, and they're not part of NATO. Simple as that.

Here's the deal:
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Nearly one year into the war between Russia and Ukraine, Americans’ support for Ukraine holds steady. A stable 65% of U.S. adults prefer that the United States support Ukraine in reclaiming its territory, even if that results in a prolonged conflict. Meanwhile, 31% continue to say they would rather see the U.S. work to end the war quickly, even if this allows Russia to keep its territory.

One Year Later, Americans Still Stand by Ukraine

As the Russia-Ukraine war continues, most Americans support Ukraine in winning back its lost territory, even if that entails a prolonged conflict. Republicans remain more evenly split in their preferences.

news.gallup.com

Putin was far too clumsy in his propaganda campaign. It was obvious, for example, that Tucker Carlson was following the Moscow party line. His internet trolls have been rather obvious and failed to make much of an impact on American opinion. That's just the way it is.

 

[Riven]

Here's the deal:
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Nearly one year into the war between Russia and Ukraine, Americans’ support for Ukraine holds steady. A stable 65% of U.S. adults prefer that the United States support Ukraine in reclaiming its territory, even if that results in a prolonged conflict. Meanwhile, 31% continue to say they would rather see the U.S. work to end the war quickly, even if this allows Russia to keep its territory.

One Year Later, Americans Still Stand by Ukraine

As the Russia-Ukraine war continues, most Americans support Ukraine in winning back its lost territory, even if that entails a prolonged conflict. Republicans remain more evenly split in their preferences.

news.gallup.com

Putin was far too clumsy in his propaganda campaign. It was obvious, for example, that Tucker Carlson was following the Moscow party line. His internet trolls have been rather obvious and failed to make much of an impact on American opinion. That's just the way it is.

What does this have anything to do with what I said? I haven't had cable since 2009. I don't watch Fox News.

 

[Milk-Drops]

I'm not a fan of the Ukraine war but that's rich .freedom in Russia ?

Is that why Russian today are Very cold to strangers , distrustful .it's because of what was done to them by the soviets .
That is told by a man married to a Ukrainian who has family in Russia and having gone to Russia to meet them.

Oh, I'm not saying freedom in Russia. Yeah, I have acquaintances both right and left that have talked about this propaganda. After some digging I found out about Maupin and Dugin.

 

[miamited]

Hi Riven

You do realize that the average American doesn't even know that their taxes fund the government?

Really!? You believe that the average American doesn't know that their taxes fund the government? I'm sorry, but I think you're running just little left of silly with that claim. Got any proof of that?

Or what the Food & Drug Administration does?

Man, you must run with a really, really stupid crowd of Americans.

How many Americans out of those 65% are even aware that it's their tax dollars being used to fund the continuation the war?

I'm really curious. Where do 'Americans' think that the money and arms we are sending to Ukraine comes from? I'm really interested to hear where your crowd thinks the money is coming from.

God bless,
Ted

 

[miamited]

Hi Riven

They do what they wish once they're in power and they are accountable to no one.

Oh I don't know about that. Right now we have several political players that are being held accountable.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Riven]

Hi Riven

Really!? You believe that the average American doesn't know that their taxes fund the government? I'm sorry, but I think you're running just little left of silly with that claim. Got any proof of that?

I don't have anything I can link you to. There was a bit on Bill Maher a while back that covered it. He summed it up with, "some of this sh*t you should know simply by being alive." Lol.

Man, you must run with a really, really stupid crowd of Americans.

I live in Florida.

I'm really curious. Where do 'Americans' think that the money and arms we are sending to Ukraine comes from? I'm really interested to hear where your crowd thinks the money is coming from.

Honest to God, many of them think the government uses money that it prints to fund everything independent of taxes. They think taxes are just used for roads and bridges.

Maybe it's just the people I know, but it makes me want to drink afterwards. Lol.

 

[Riven]

Hi Riven

Oh I don't know about that. Right now we have several political players that are being held accountable.

God bless,
Ted

No, we have one that they're going after and that's only because they want to prevent him from running again.

 

[jasonc]

I don't have anything I can link you to. There was a bit on Bill Maher a while back that covered it. He summed it up with, "some of this sh*t you should know simply by being alive." Lol.


I live in Florida.


Honest to God, many of them think the government uses money that it prints to fund everything independent of taxes. They think taxes are just used for roads and bridges.

Maybe it's just the people I know, but it makes me want to drink afterwards. Lol.

Most don't know the difference of cr,Sr,and u.s. road signs and why .

Ie sr5 ,a1a,and u.s. 98.
I know where you live has a county road without looking it up Idk.
I know that sr5 and us,1 are there and us98( southern Blvd ) and sr5,us1 are one and the same as the Dixie became us1 and was designated Sr 5 when the Dixie was returned to the state .I'm sure us 98 has a state designation

 

[Riven]

I just asked a friend about it and he replied, "the answer to our problems is cheeseburger."

Welcome to Florida. Lol.

 

[jasonc]

I don't have anything I can link you to. There was a bit on Bill Maher a while back that covered it. He summed it up with, "some of this sh*t you should know simply by being alive." Lol.


I live in Florida.


Honest to God, many of them think the government uses money that it prints to fund everything independent of taxes. They think taxes are just used for roads and bridges.

Maybe it's just the people I know, but it makes me want to drink afterwards. Lol.

We had one lady swear flint water was provided to her in my town .

I have had people despite my uniform I was working for fpl ..argue with me who went inside a former cng steam plant that it was a nuke plant.

Argue with me as I read their meter that they are on the county water .I'm not a county employee and yes we serve the county area .call is asking and even sending old fpl payments despite we no longer have an electric grid and get mad when we can't help them.

 

[jasonc]

I dont get the intense lantana and lake Worth rivalry despite there is no city of lantana though it did have po ,school and rr stop and existed before lake Worth the city of .

 

[Riven]

I dont get the intense lantana and lake Worth rivalry despite there is no city of lantana though it did have po ,school and rr stop and existed before lake Worth the city of .

I didn't even know there was a rivalry. Lol.