Strong Delusion

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Just a study I wanted too share

Part 1


We're going to talk about strong delusion. Our Father, a God of love, is the one that sends this strong delusion upon certain people. What does that mean? It means they don't have eyes to see and ears to hear. They're in a stupor or asleep spiritually and they will believe almost anything some man would say. Why would God do this? Is it fair that He puts strong delusion on people? Well we'll find out in His Word. We will begin in the Book of 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2.
The subject being discussed in both I and 2 Thessalonians is our gathering back to Christ at the 2nd Advent. Not before, in some fly away rapture.
2 Thess 2:1

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

The Greek is very specific and strict as to the subject. Again, what is the subject? The coming of Jesus Christ and our gathering to Him. Not very difficult is it?
2 Thess 2:2

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

Paul doesn't want you to be confused by some man's or evil spirit. Nor by word by a so-called teacher or even by letter from Paul concerning the return of Christ.
2 Thess 2:3

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

This is the beginning of a number of events that MUST take place first. A falling away or apostasy will occur. What is apostasy? Apostasy is a giving up of one's professed belief. For example worshipping a false messiah thinking he is the True One.
The son of perdition will be revealed upon the earth. Now, there is only one son of perdition, only one at this time is sentenced to perish in the lake of fire. That entity is none other than Satan himself.
2 Thess 2:4

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

He will exalt himself above Christ and God, even those who worship in another religion. He will sit in the temple of God claiming to be God. Where is this? It is in Jerusalem, God's most favorite place which he has made a covenant with in Ezekiel 16. This is the antichrist or better said the instead of Christ. For he will call himself Christ. Many who don't read God's Word but rather listen to men who say "Don't worry, just have faith your going to be gone anyway" are going to be deceived believing he is the True Christ.
2 Thess 2:5

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

I'm sure Paul went over this in detail with them before. Paul wrote this second letter to them because man and the first one confused them.
2 Thess 2:6-7

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

Now many so-called "scholars" say this is the Holy Spirit. No it isn't. The verb here is transitive, which means you have to transfer it back to the subject being discussed. What is the subject? The son of perdition sitting in the seat of God as savior.
Where is Satan now? According to Revelation 12:7 he is in heaven. Not free though but held in chains. The archangel Michael will cast him out onto the earth and the angels will rejoice, but woe unto you on earth. This hasn't happened yet friends. Sure, his evil spirit has free reign on the earth but he's not here de facto, in person yet.
What is the iniquity that is already working? You already know if you understand the four hidden dynasties of religion, education, political, and the economy.
2 Thess 2:8

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Then is after the tribulation of antichrist. There are two tribulations; antichrist's and God's. Both will not harm God's children. The Lord shall consume him with his mouth. What is in His mouth? A sharp two-edged sword (Revelation 1:16). Antichrist will also be consumed at the True Christ's return.
2 Thess 2:9

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

He will be all-powerful and supernatural performing miracles in the sight of men bringing down lightning at the snap of his fingers (Rev. 13:13). People will believe he is Christ and this when the delivering up to death, who is the devil (Heb. 2:14), happens. Believing he is Christ people will deliver their loved ones up to be "Saved".
2 Thess 2:10

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

They loved not God's Word enough to study it. They are spiritually dead until they are tested again and at that point if they do not straighten up shall perish.
2 Thess 2:11

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Here is your reason for God sending strong delusion. YHVH shall do it because they deserve it. If they do not study to understand these things God will let them be deceived. It may also be that they could not stand against antichrist and have the knowledge without worshipping antichrist. That would be the unforgivable sin. After being repeatedly warned in the Bible again and again then they must learn the hard way.

 

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Strong delusion part 2

Is this written anywhere else in God's Word? Yes, in the Book of Romans. Turn there and go to chapter 11.
Rom 11:1

1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Paul was a Benjamite. He was a Roman by birth but a Benjamite by seed.
Rom 11:2-3

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, 3 "Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life."

Jezebel was having the priests killed and sought Elijah's life also.
Rom 11:4

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

All through the years God has had a remnant. A remnant that would always be faithful. God has reserved 7,000 men, no gender intended there. Seven means spiritual completeness. There will be many more than that of God's election here when antichrist appears including the kings and queens of the ethnos or ethnic peoples. But whatever number it is that is the number, it is a perfect number.
Rom 11:5

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

There has always been a remnant that understands.
Rom 11:6

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

This is confusing not knowing the difference between election and free will. The elect were chosen before the foundation of this earth age (Eph. 1:4) at the time of the overthrow of Satan. God will intercede in their lives and those with free will He will not unless they ask. The elect are not perfect however and were not chosen because they are better than anyone else. But because they stood against Satan in the age before this one.
Rom 11:7-8

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded Israel couldn't cut it by the law and commandments of God. 8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

I say even unto this very day. When God has sent this slumber or stupor, upon one no matter how hard the Elect try to make them see they cannot see the truth. Why? They asked for it. As Paul said in 2 Cor. 11 they like to be deceived and swallow it hook, line, and sinker. Look at the people today. They don't know what to believe or even believe there is a God and with what is taught today, they haven't got a chance against antichrist. They will have that chance during the Millennium.
This is not just a New Testament teaching it is also spoken of in the Old Testament. Let's turn to the Book of Isaiah. Chapter 29 is one of the woe or warning chapters.
Isa 29:1

1 Woe to Ariel, to Ariel, the city where David dwelt! add ye year to year; let them kill sacrifices.

Ariel means lion of God. This word is in the Moabite stone line 12. It is an Egyptian name for Jerusalem. Year in and year out you sacrifice animals to Me.
Isa 29:2

2 Yet I will distress Ariel, and there shall be heaviness and sorrow: and it shall be unto me as Ariel.

This will happen in the same location that we spoke of earlier, in the temple of God.
Isa 29:3

3 And I will camp against thee round about, and will lay siege against thee with a mount, and I will raise forts against thee.

God will come against them with power because they worshipped antichrist and gave honor to him.
Isa 29:4

4 And thou shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust.

Who was it that was cursed to crawl in the dust all his days figuratively? Satan of course. When those who have been deceived and do for him will have a familiar or evil spirit and they shall be as low as the serpent in the dust.
Isa 29:5

5 Moreover the multitude of thy strangers shall be like small dust, and the multitude of the terrible ones shall be as chaff that passeth away: yea, it shall be at an instant suddenly.

They shall be as dust in the wind and in confusion. God will not be pleased at this point. He will come suddenly.
Isa 29:6

6 Thou shalt be visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire.

Our God is a consuming fire (Heb. 12:12). This is the second tribulation which happens at the return of Jesus Christ.
Isa 29:7

7 And the multitude of all the nations that fight against Ariel, even all that fight against her and her munition, and that distress her, shall be as a dream of a night vision.

When those who have been deceived open there eyes to what they've done, it will be as a nightmare to them at His coming.
Isa 29:8

8 It shall even be as when an hungry man dreameth, and, behold, he eateth; but he awaketh, and his soul is empty: or as when a thirsty man dreameth, and, behold, he drinketh; but he awaketh, and, behold, he is faint, and his soul hath appetite: so shall the multitude of all the nations be, that fight against mount Zion.

The people shall be filled in a false manner but shall be empty souls. They fight against the True Throne of Zion.
Isa 29:9

9 Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink.

They are in a stupor. They would rather traditions taught in their churches and receive the milk. When Christ raised the twelve year old girl He didn't say give her milk, He said give her MEAT. As it is written in Amos 8, the famine is not for bread but for the words of the Lord. There are good churches and if your in one thank God for it.
Isa 29:10

10 For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.

Who poured out this spirit of deep sleep? God did. It will come upon the biblically illiterate.
Isa 29:11

11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:

To them it sealed and they don't understand it. How many of you have been told the Book of Revelation isn't supposed to be understood, "It is sealed, just have faith"? Faith in what? To be raptured out? The very word "revelation" means to reveal or make known.
Isa 29:12

12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

 

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Strong Delusion part 3

Again it is the deep sleep that no matter what they can't see the truth of God's Word.
Isa 29:13

13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

The heart is removed form God's Wisdom. Instead they are taught the precepts and traditions of men and church systems. Where they say it's always been done this way. Does your tradition line up with the Word of God?
Isa 29:14

14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

You won't be deceived for you understand.
Isa 29:15

15 Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?

This is another warning. This politics in dark rooms and politicians that lie and use trickery to fool the people. Many of them today promote socialism and communism which this country and others have fought against. Be aware friends. Christ said to fish out of the right side of the boat.
Isa 29:16

16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

Nothing is hidden from The Potter. They say, "There is no God" or if there is "He didn't know what He was doing".
Isa 29:17

17 Is it not yet a very little while, and Lebanon shall be turned into a fruitful field, and the fruitful field shall be esteemed as a forest?

Lebanon means white mountain. They were supposed to remain pure. But the desolation or Delator shall overcome the fruitful fields.
Isa 29:18

18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

This is the Lord's Day and on that day the truth will be realized.
Isa 29:19

19 The meek also shall increase their joy in the LORD, and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel.

Jesus Christ is returning.
Isa 29:20-21

20 For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed, and all that watch for iniquity are cut off: 21 That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.

Judgment occurs at the gate. They would rather be in confusion than listen to one who speaks the truth.
Isa 29:22-23

22 Therefore thus saith the LORD, who redeemed Abraham, concerning the house of Jacob, Jacob shall not now be ashamed, neither shall his face now wax pale. 23 But when he seeth his children, the work of mine hands, in the midst of him, they shall sanctify my name, and sanctify the Holy One of Jacob, and shall fear the God of Israel.

All shall sanctify God's Name, YHVH not the antichrist's.
Isa 29:24

24 They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine.

Those who learned not the truth or heard it shall. When? On the first day of the Millennium when every knee shall bow to Jesus Christ.
God will allow them that want to be ignorant, to be ignorant if they so choose.
In conclusion we're going the last chapter of Isaiah and read the first four verses. Turn to Isaiah 66.
Isa 66:1

1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

Here God asks, "Are you going to be build Me a house?" He is putting you in place. God doesn't need a house for heaven is His throne and the earth His footstool. Is that not humbling?
Isa 66:2

2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

Anything you use to build a house for God He has made. He will bless the humble and those who revere Him and the Word.
Isa 66:3

3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

God mentions a few abominations that they might as well commit. He doesn't want their sacrifices. They have gone their own way with church. So "religious and Godly" and yet it is so false they shall worship antichrist. Do things God's way and you will be blessed.
Isa 66:4

4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

Choosing their own false teachings that God shall bring a paralyzing fear upon them. Can you now understand why Christ would say to those who come to Him saying, "We've cast out demons and done wonderful works in Thy Name" and Christ will say, "I never knew you!"? Because they have worshipped the wrong savior, antichrist and were doing his works.
Now we understand that God does and will send the delusion and slumber. For they are not taught and do not want to learn God's Word. Tradition and religious things will get you into trouble and away from His Word.
Do not receive the mark of deception in your mind, but be sealed or marked with God's Truth and gain knowledge. Some already have the mark of the beast in their minds and are in a deep sleep and don't even know it. Study God's Word and don't be deceived by the false messiah when he appears on this earth ready to "rapture" you out.

Written by Phil Najera​

 

[warfrog]

Greetings,

First i must tell you, I did not read almost anything you posted, this so you know beforehand from what i am about to say and it is strictly regarding the title of the thread and that i know by the title you are reffering to 2 Thessalonians.
I will review it at the appropriate time tomorrow, forgive me for not doing so now and posting based off the title, its 4:30 in the morning and im restless, i have an early morning, but i will take full attention to all the thread at an appropriate given time tomorrow, God willing.

The strong delusion is the mortal wound, the deadly wound that is healed. We are shown right away that the world marvels and follows the beast after the mortal wound the deadly wound is healed.
They then worship the beast and say "Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?"
Why would they say that?
Because through the strong delusion it appears this particular head is immortal and cannot be killed, if you cant be killed who can war againts you?

(This is an edit:seems i cannot sleep, there is a very loud ringing in my ear or head.)
Add this also to the last sentences above what i said in ( ) he, the beast, the man of lawlessness recieves power, throne and great authority from Satan, and will exalt himself above God and will declare in his heart he is God, and those not written in the Book of the Life of the Lamb slain will worship him as God through the strong delusion, this is the lie, that he is God.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[warfrog]

Just a study I wanted too share

Part 1


We're going to talk about strong delusion. Our Father, a God of love, is the one that sends this strong delusion upon certain people. What does that mean? It means they don't have eyes to see and ears to hear. They're in a stupor or asleep spiritually and they will believe almost anything some man would say. Why would God do this? Is it fair that He puts strong delusion on people? Well we'll find out in His Word. We will begin in the Book of 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2.
The subject being discussed in both I and 2 Thessalonians is our gathering back to Christ at the 2nd Advent. Not before, in some fly away rapture.
2 Thess 2:1

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

The Greek is very specific and strict as to the subject. Again, what is the subject? The coming of Jesus Christ and our gathering to Him. Not very difficult is it?
2 Thess 2:2

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

Paul doesn't want you to be confused by some man's or evil spirit. Nor by word by a so-called teacher or even by letter from Paul concerning the return of Christ.
2 Thess 2:3

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

This is the beginning of a number of events that MUST take place first. A falling away or apostasy will occur. What is apostasy? Apostasy is a giving up of one's professed belief. For example worshipping a false messiah thinking he is the True One.
The son of perdition will be revealed upon the earth. Now, there is only one son of perdition, only one at this time is sentenced to perish in the lake of fire. That entity is none other than Satan himself.
2 Thess 2:4

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

He will exalt himself above Christ and God, even those who worship in another religion. He will sit in the temple of God claiming to be God. Where is this? It is in Jerusalem, God's most favorite place which he has made a covenant with in Ezekiel 16. This is the antichrist or better said the instead of Christ. For he will call himself Christ. Many who don't read God's Word but rather listen to men who say "Don't worry, just have faith your going to be gone anyway" are going to be deceived believing he is the True Christ.
2 Thess 2:5

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

I'm sure Paul went over this in detail with them before. Paul wrote this second letter to them because man and the first one confused them.
2 Thess 2:6-7

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

Now many so-called "scholars" say this is the Holy Spirit. No it isn't. The verb here is transitive, which means you have to transfer it back to the subject being discussed. What is the subject? The son of perdition sitting in the seat of God as savior.
Where is Satan now? According to Revelation 12:7 he is in heaven. Not free though but held in chains. The archangel Michael will cast him out onto the earth and the angels will rejoice, but woe unto you on earth. This hasn't happened yet friends. Sure, his evil spirit has free reign on the earth but he's not here de facto, in person yet.
What is the iniquity that is already working? You already know if you understand the four hidden dynasties of religion, education, political, and the economy.
2 Thess 2:8

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Then is after the tribulation of antichrist. There are two tribulations; antichrist's and God's. Both will not harm God's children. The Lord shall consume him with his mouth. What is in His mouth? A sharp two-edged sword (Revelation 1:16). Antichrist will also be consumed at the True Christ's return.
2 Thess 2:9

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

He will be all-powerful and supernatural performing miracles in the sight of men bringing down lightning at the snap of his fingers (Rev. 13:13). People will believe he is Christ and this when the delivering up to death, who is the devil (Heb. 2:14), happens. Believing he is Christ people will deliver their loved ones up to be "Saved".
2 Thess 2:10

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

They loved not God's Word enough to study it. They are spiritually dead until they are tested again and at that point if they do not straighten up shall perish.
2 Thess 2:11

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Here is your reason for God sending strong delusion. YHVH shall do it because they deserve it. If they do not study to understand these things God will let them be deceived. It may also be that they could not stand against antichrist and have the knowledge without worshipping antichrist. That would be the unforgivable sin. After being repeatedly warned in the Bible again and again then they must learn the hard way.

Greetings,

Ok so im incappable of sleeping so i started to read the first post you posted.

So ill start with what you said regarding Satan being the only one at this time being sentenced to perish in the lake of fire and as i addressed earlier, the man of lawlessness and the beast are one and the same, the beast is actually cast into the fire with the false prophet before Satan is.

Where really is the temple of God? Is it in Jerusalem or is it the hearts of men?
God dwells in men through the Holy Spirit, therefore His temple is our hearts.
The man of lawlessness will dwell as God in the hearts of men (those not written in the Book of Life of the Lamb) men will worship and believe he is God, because of the strong delusion that God allows for the lie.

Satan isnt in chains in heaven, he sits before the throne right now as the accuser.
When Satan is cast out it is the third woe.
Rev 8:13 for the declaration of the 3 woes
Rev 9:1-12 for the first woe
Rev 11:11-14 for the second woe
Rev 12:7-12 for the third woe, which is when Satan is kicked out
What is holding the man of lawlessness back? The Word of God, he must be revealed in his time according to the Word of God for all scripture must be fullfilled according to Gods Word, which is the Holy Spirit.


God's wrath will be poured out on the wicked, but the saints shall be permitted to be overcome, in other words they will kill the saints they get.

The one you qouted for Rev 13:13 isnt the man of lawlessness, he serves the man of lawlessness and in his presence is granted all the authority the man of lawlessness is granted, which the man of lawlessness was given to from Satan.
They are 2 different people.
He works for the man of lawlessness and works deciet that he causes people to worship the man of lawlessness with lying wonders, and causes them to make an image to the beast and to worship it or be killed, and causes them to take the mark of the beast.
His work is for the man of lawlessness.
The man of lawlessness is given Satans power, throne and great authority and the false prophet is granted in the presence of the man of lawlessness great authority in which he causes deciet.

I cant agree with you regarding the studying of the bible, you dont learn because you study the bible, you learn because the Holy Spirit teaches you, its not something you earn, its something you recieve and its conditioned on the heart.
People can study forever and know nothing, they may think they know alot because of thier studies but if the teaching isnt coming through the Holy Spirit your not going to learn and that is done through the condition of the heart.
Those who are decieved by the strong delusion are indeed people who do not love the truth because they have not accepeted the truth so they are sent a strong delusion that they may believe the lie and the lie is that the man of lawlessness, the beast, is God, which will be revealed in his time.

I'll continue on the next page tomorrow, God willing.

Grace to you, peace from God Almighty and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Prince]

Warfrog

So ill start with what you said regarding Satan being the only one at this time being sentenced to perish in the lake of fire and as i addressed earlier, the man of lawlessness and the beast are one and the same, the beast is actually cast into the fire with the false prophet before Satan is.

Hello 2morrow I will be able to go into detail on this - please read the following and later we can perhaps take it a step further, anyhow I feel most of your points have been addressed here..

"In Revelation 20:10, the devil is cast into the lake of fire where the
beast and the false prophet ARE. This makes a total of 'three' cast into the
lake of fire, instead of 'two'. How can this be if the false prophet is
satan?"​

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You refer to:​

Revelation 19:20-21
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. KJV

and:

Revelation 20:10
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
KJV​

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The answer to the quandary is found in rightly dividing according to time.

Rev 20:10 is in the millennium; at the very of it, in fact. In the millennium there is no more flesh, all are in spiritual bodies. In Rev 19:20 we are still in the flesh, before the millennium (actually right at the Second Advent). All are still in flesh and are being either transformed into their spiritual bodies by the grace of God (for the overcomers, as per 1st Thes 4:17), or, are being driven into their spiritual bodies by death, as they are killed by Christ in Rev 19:21 (those who do not overcome). Either way, there is no more flesh after Rev 19 closes.

In Rev 19, the beast (the one world system of satan) and the false prophet (the antichrist/satan) is cast into the Lake of Fire. They are gone, done away with. But then you might say, "How can antichrist/satan be destroyed in the Lake of Fire in Rev 19, and then satan is later sent into that Lake in Rev 20?" That, I believe, is your question.

Antichrist is satan manifested on this Earth in a body, just as Jesus Christ was God manifest into the flesh. You have to be able to understand the difference between flesh and spiritual bodies. We all were in spiritual bodies before we were born into this flesh body that we now inhabit. but we (our soul) is eternal unless God blots us out in the Lake of Fire, the death of a soul, the second death. But our flesh body dies and is cast off and men bury it in the ground where it decomposes back into the elements whence it was taken. But this is not so for the unique bodies of the serpent/antichrist, and the fallen angels. These had a different body than we flesh humans have, but they could operate in our realm. Those bodies must be collected up to Heaven to destroy, they cannot decompose into dirt because they are not formed of the dirt of the earth--they are spiritual, but are not the same as the spiritual bodies like we all have within us. They underwent a transformation when entering this flesh world, but they are different than our flesh bodies, as they are from above, not formed here below from the dust of the earth. Jesus on the other hand, was formed from the dust of the Earth in the womb of the human woman, Mary of Nazareth. That is the difference between Jesus' body and the body of the serpent in the Garden, the antichrist of the tribulation, and the fallen angels of Gen 6.

Jesus was God in the flesh. the serpent and antichrist were/are to be satan in the flesh, and the fallen angels of Gen 6 and their fellows who return in Rev 9 are evil spirits manifest into bodies that can stride both the flesh and the spiritual realm. The later (the evil angels) are not quite flesh, and not quite spirit, but are a perversion of both. So that what we have is:​

• God fully in the flesh, born of woman, as Jesus Christ;
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• satan in a supernatural body given to operate in the flesh realm, but never born of woman, as the serpent and again as the antichrist;
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• and the evil spirits devoted to satan, in supernatural bodies given to operate in the flesh realm, but never born of woman, as the fallen angels (sons of God) of Gen 6, and the locust army in Rev 9.​

We will be covering this in-depth in our up-coming study titled The Five Supernatural Agencies of Satan., where much more will be spoken of regarding angels, evil spirits, demons, humans, etc. If you are on the mailing list you receive notification when it is ready to be presented.

Satan will not be "possessing" anyone, he will not be a "reincarnation" of anyone, as many surmise. He will have his own body, just like Jesus Christ had His own body which died and was buried, yet as God He is eternal; the body however, was not eternal, it was a "container" so to speak. that is why we do not see Jesus Christ the man in Heaven, we see the Lamb; for, Jesus Christ was/is God. The Trinity (Triune Godhead) having been made One in Revelation 21ff, and hinted at in:​

1 Corinthians 15:23-28
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet . But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. KJV​

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[Prince]

Back to satan: Satan, as the antichrist will have his own body like the fallen angels of Gen 6 had bodies (and were able to impregnate flesh women, as seen in Gen 6:4. He will have a body like he had in the Garden of Eden (as the serpent). It is that which is cast into the Lake of Fire in Rev 19. In Rev 20 we see satan himself, his soul, the entity, being cast into the Lake of Fire. Everything and everyone cast into that lake of Fire is extinguished eternally. "Eternally" goes both forward in time and backwards in time. "Eternity" has no beginning and no end. Therefore, those souls and entities, and principalities, and offices, etc., which are to be cast into that Lake of Fire, are so completely extinguished as that they will at that time have never had existed. This is eternal perdition, the death of a soul, called in Rev 20 the "second death," which is the eternal repository for every entity that does not overcome, and it extinguishes the future as well as the past. Deep, I know.

So, the three which you speak of as being cast into the Lake of Fire are really one; call it an "unholy trinity" if you will. Just as there is (1) God the father, (2) Jesus the Son, and (3) the Holy Spirit, conversely you have: (1) satan, (2) the antichrist/serpent, and (3) the spirit of antichrist. Having a problem making that connection? Ponder on "...and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." (1 John 4:3b). Anyway, the three cast in the Lake of Fire BEFORE Judgement Day are:
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1. The beast of Rev 19:20 is the principality of satan, the one world system which is to be his short lived kingdom. This beast is often referred to as a "he" in Rev 13, etc. But there are two beasts in Rev 13, and care must be used discerning which is spoken of respectively--great error and confusion arises out of not understanding that there are two beasts in the Tribulation (Rev 13).
   
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2. The false prophet of Rev 19:20 is satan as the antichrist;
   
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3. The devil of Rev 20:10 is satan himself, known by many names including the devil. (see his other names in Rev 12:9)

These all are cast into the Lake of Fire forever, both forwards in time and backwards in time—i.e., eternally.

And you also asked:
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"If the first beast of Revelation 13 is an organization (such as the NWO),

how can a 'conceptual entity' be cast into the lake of fire?"​

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I think that I may have answered this question somewhat in the above. Let me just add that "conceptual entities," as you call them, are ever the enemy to be put down. In the bible these 'conceptual entities" are referred to as "principalities." We see them being spoken of many times. Observe;

We are to know of them, therefore they exist (and if they exist, they must be reckoned with):
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Ephesians 3:10

10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, KJV​

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We are given armor to withstand them (resist them), therefore they are a danger to us:

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Ephesians 6:11-13

11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. KJV​

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Christ triumphed over them, therefore they are an organized enemy of our Lord:

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Colossians 2:14-15

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. KJV​

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Their goal is to separate us from the Lord, therefore they are our dangerous enemies:

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Romans 8:35-39

35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. KJV​

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They are called "he", therefore they are an entity (a corporate entity), and must be disposed of in the end:

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Revelation 13:1-9

13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast [the 1st beast-the corporate entity-the "NWO" if you will] rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast [the 1st beast] which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon [the 2nd beast (antichrist/satan), introduced in Rev 13:11] gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his [the 1st beast] heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast [the 1st beast].
4 And they worshipped the dragon [the 2nd beast (antichrist/satan)] which gave power unto the beast [the 1st beast]: and they worshipped the beast [the 1st beast], saying, Who is like unto the beast [the 1st beast]? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him [the 1st beast] a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months [Note: satan/antichrist only has 5 months (Rev 9:5,10), but this beast has 42 months].
6 And he [the 1st beast] opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him [the 1st beast, not the 2nd beast satan/antichrist] to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. KJV​

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How will the whole world worship this corporate entity, the first beast? Observe how the 2nd beast (satan/antichrist) shall demand it:

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[warfrog]

Warfrog



Hello 2morrow I will be able to go into detail on this - please read the following and later we can perhaps take it a step further, anyhow I feel most of your points have been addressed here..

"In Revelation 20:10, the devil is cast into the lake of fire where the​

beast and the false prophet ARE. This makes a total of 'three' cast into the
lake of fire, instead of 'two'. How can this be if the false prophet is
satan?"​

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You refer to:

Revelation 19:20-21

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. KJV​

and:​

Revelation 20:10
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
KJV​

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The answer to the quandary is found in rightly dividing according to time.

Rev 20:10 is in the millennium; at the very of it, in fact. In the millennium there is no more flesh, all are in spiritual bodies. In Rev 19:20 we are still in the flesh, before the millennium (actually right at the Second Advent). All are still in flesh and are being either transformed into their spiritual bodies by the grace of God (for the overcomers, as per 1st Thes 4:17), or, are being driven into their spiritual bodies by death, as they are killed by Christ in Rev 19:21 (those who do not overcome). Either way, there is no more flesh after Rev 19 closes.​

In Rev 19, the beast (the one world system of satan) and the false prophet (the antichrist/satan) is cast into the Lake of Fire. They are gone, done away with. But then you might say, "How can antichrist/satan be destroyed in the Lake of Fire in Rev 19, and then satan is later sent into that Lake in Rev 20?" That, I believe, is your question.​

Antichrist is satan manifested on this Earth in a body, just as Jesus Christ was God manifest into the flesh. You have to be able to understand the difference between flesh and spiritual bodies. We all were in spiritual bodies before we were born into this flesh body that we now inhabit. but we (our soul) is eternal unless God blots us out in the Lake of Fire, the death of a soul, the second death. But our flesh body dies and is cast off and men bury it in the ground where it decomposes back into the elements whence it was taken. But this is not so for the unique bodies of the serpent/antichrist, and the fallen angels. These had a different body than we flesh humans have, but they could operate in our realm. Those bodies must be collected up to Heaven to destroy, they cannot decompose into dirt because they are not formed of the dirt of the earth--they are spiritual, but are not the same as the spiritual bodies like we all have within us. They underwent a transformation when entering this flesh world, but they are different than our flesh bodies, as they are from above, not formed here below from the dust of the earth. Jesus on the other hand, was formed from the dust of the Earth in the womb of the human woman, Mary of Nazareth. That is the difference between Jesus' body and the body of the serpent in the Garden, the antichrist of the tribulation, and the fallen angels of Gen 6.​

Jesus was God in the flesh. the serpent and antichrist were/are to be satan in the flesh, and the fallen angels of Gen 6 and their fellows who return in Rev 9 are evil spirits manifest into bodies that can stride both the flesh and the spiritual realm. The later (the evil angels) are not quite flesh, and not quite spirit, but are a perversion of both. So that what we have is:​

• God fully in the flesh, born of woman, as Jesus Christ;
  
• satan in a supernatural body given to operate in the flesh realm, but never born of woman, as the serpent and again as the antichrist;
  
• and the evil spirits devoted to satan, in supernatural bodies given to operate in the flesh realm, but never born of woman, as the fallen angels (sons of God) of Gen 6, and the locust army in Rev 9.

We will be covering this in-depth in our up-coming study titled The Five Supernatural Agencies of Satan., where much more will be spoken of regarding angels, evil spirits, demons, humans, etc. If you are on the mailing list you receive notification when it is ready to be presented.​

Satan will not be "possessing" anyone, he will not be a "reincarnation" of anyone, as many surmise. He will have his own body, just like Jesus Christ had His own body which died and was buried, yet as God He is eternal; the body however, was not eternal, it was a "container" so to speak. that is why we do not see Jesus Christ the man in Heaven, we see the Lamb; for, Jesus Christ was/is God. The Trinity (Triune Godhead) having been made One in Revelation 21ff, and hinted at in:

1 Corinthians 15:23-28
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23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet . But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. KJV​

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You say in the millenium there is no more flesh, but yet fire from God out of heaven consumes all that is with Satan and He is cast into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are.​

Also again i refer you over to where the false prophet himself has nothing unless he is in the presence of the beast, which recieves all power, throne and authority from Satan, the beast is both a kingdom and a king, there is both ruling and a ruler in the beast, it is a ruler that runs all the others involved with the kingdom which makes up the beast which is the whole word (all not written in the Book of Life of the Lamb)
Satan is not either the beast or the false prophet, but attains worship through the beast which he gives power,a throne and great authority.
These two are cast into the fire and Satan is bound until the end of the thousand years, when he is released he goes out and decieves those in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, and when they surround the camp of the saints (those who are resurrected to Jesus at His second coming)) and the beloved city (where Jesus reigns and also those who are resurrected at His second coming dwell) fire consumes them from God out of heaven, Satan is cast into the fire where the beast and false prophet are and the judgement of the dead begins and the last enemy, Death, is destroyed, completely, forever.
Then we move into the inheritance of the new heaven and earth, New Jerusalem, the Son is subject Himself to the Father that He may be all in all and we dwell together forever and ever.Amen.​

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.​

 

[Prince]

You say in the millenium there is no more flesh, but yet fire from God out of heaven consumes all that is with Satan and He is cast into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are.​

Also again i refer you over to where the false prophet himself has nothing unless he is in the presence of the beast, which recieves all power, throne and authority from Satan, the beast is both a kingdom and a king, there is both ruling and a ruler in the beast, it is a ruler that runs all the others involved with the kingdom which makes up the beast which is the whole word (all not written in the Book of Life of the Lamb)
Satan is not either the beast or the false prophet, but attains worship through the beast which he gives power,a throne and great authority.
These two are cast into the fire and Satan is bound until the end of the thousand years, when he is released he goes out and decieves those in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, and when they surround the camp of the saints (those who are resurrected to Jesus at His second coming)) and the beloved city (where Jesus reigns and also those who are resurrected at His second coming dwell) fire consumes them from God out of heaven, Satan is cast into the fire where the beast and false prophet are and the judgement of the dead begins and the last enemy, Death, is destroyed, completely, forever.
Then we move into the inheritance of the new heaven and earth, New Jerusalem, the Son is subject Himself to the Father that He may be all in all and we dwell together forever and ever.Amen.​

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.​

You say in the millenium there is no more flesh, but yet fire from God out of heaven consumes all that is with Satan and He is cast into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are.​

There is no flesh is the millenium..

When Christ returns He is bringing the Kingdom of God with Him...

Daniel 2:44

"And in those days the God of Heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever." Daniel 2:44

Flesh and blood cannot enter this kingdom

1 Corinth 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Jesus returns on the 7th trump the final trump, when that trump sounds we all will be changed

1 Corinth 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

When we are changed we shall no longer have flesh.......

The lake of fire is not some pit to throw bodies in, the lake of fire is God, God made souls and he is the only one who can destroy them, have you not read?


Hebrews 12:29 For our God [is] a consuming fire.

 

[n2thelight]

Thanks Prince for covering that ,exactly what I would have said.....

Originally Posted by warfrog

You say in the millenium there is no more flesh, but yet fire from God out of heaven consumes all that is with Satan and He is cast into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are.​

Adding to what Prince posted

The 7th trump starts the Day of the Lord,which is the start of the milinnium...

I Corinthians 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."


Everyone is going to enter into the only dimension whereby any soul can be judged. This change from the flesh body into your new spiritual or incorruptible has nothing to do with the condition of your soul. If you were lost before, you still will be lost, and if you have received Jesus Christ and are under His shed blood, you will be in that same spiritual condition. What is happening is at the sounding of the seventh which is the last trumpet all flesh will be done away with, and all souls will now exist in their spiritual bodies.


Those who are in Christ at this time will have immortal souls,with no fear of the second death,those who are not,will still be changed,however their souls are mortal,meaning they stand a chance to die the second death....This second death depends on if they follow satan at the end of the milenium.That's why they are judged according to their works


Revelation 20:12"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."


Notice there are two sets of books here. The first called "The Books" is to judge the unsaved. The second is the "Book of Life" where only the names of the saved are recorded. The saved have had their sins removed from God's judgment and booted out. Though they were committed, the blood of Christ has covered them from being used against us.


Notice how all souls are judged "according to their works". Does it talk about faith here after the Millennium? No. The "great white throne judgment" will not take faith into consideration. The first resurrection takes faith into consideration. That was back on "the Lord's day". That was Jesus Christ's "great day". On the last day of the Millennium age souls are judged by works only.


Why are you judged for works only? Faith is something hoped for but unseen. You don't see Jesus Christ on earth today, you will see his wonderful works, and be led by Him and His Spirit in the Millennium age. Today He is in heaven and not walking on this earth. However, in the millennium, He will be on earth, and all will have full intelligence, with full recall and will be taught. The Heavenly Father honors all those with grace, that have accepted His Son by faith through repentance without Christ's physical presence here on earth, if you believed in His Word.


To those who are not under grace in the Millennium, their salvation will be only through and by their works. For faith doesn't exist to them. There will be no ignorance, physical handicap, for you will see, know, and experience Our Lord first hand.

If you follow the Antichrist, the first Christ to appear, you will have forfeited your salvation in this earth age. You will not be under the grace of God, and your works will be the only thing that matters on the last day of the Millennium, the day of judgment. They will be judged by works alone, for they have seen Jesus Christ, and are without excuse.

 

[Hitch]

Thanks Prince for covering that ,exactly what I would have said.....




Adding to what Prince posted

The 7th trump starts the Day of the Lord,which is the start of the milinnium...

I Corinthians 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."


Everyone is going to enter into the only dimension whereby any soul can be judged. This change from the flesh body into your new spiritual or incorruptible has nothing to do with the condition of your soul. If you were lost before, you still will be lost, and if you have received Jesus Christ and are under His shed blood, you will be in that same spiritual condition. What is happening is at the sounding of the seventh which is the last trumpet all flesh will be done away with, and all souls will now exist in their spiritual bodies.


Those who are in Christ at this time will have immortal souls,with no fear of the second death,those who are not,will still be changed,however their souls are mortal,meaning they stand a chance to die the second death....This second death depends on if they follow satan at the end of the milenium.That's why they are judged according to their works

24Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Revelation 20:12"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."


Notice there are two sets of books here. The first called "The Books" is to judge the unsaved. The second is the "Book of Life" where only the names of the saved are recorded. The saved have had their sins removed from God's judgment and booted out. Though they were committed, the blood of Christ has covered them from being used against us.


Notice how all souls are judged "according to their works". Does it talk about faith here after the Millennium? No. The "great white throne judgment" will not take faith into consideration. The first resurrection takes faith into consideration. That was back on "the Lord's day". That was Jesus Christ's "great day". On the last day of the Millennium age souls are judged by works only.


Why are you judged for works only? Faith is something hoped for but unseen. You don't see Jesus Christ on earth today, you will see his wonderful works, and be led by Him and His Spirit in the Millennium age. Today He is in heaven and not walking on this earth. However, in the millennium, He will be on earth, and all will have full intelligence, with full recall and will be taught. The Heavenly Father honors all those with grace, that have accepted His Son by faith through repentance without Christ's physical presence here on earth, if you believed in His Word.


To those who are not under grace in the Millennium, their salvation will be only through and by their works.

To find an older lie I reckon you need to go clear back to the Garden.

For faith doesn't exist to them. There will be no ignorance, physical handicap, for you will see, know, and experience Our Lord first hand.

If you follow the Antichrist, the first Christ to appear, you will have forfeited your salvation in this earth age. You will not be under the grace of God, and your works will be the only thing that matters on the last day of the Millennium, the day of judgment. They will be judged by works alone, for they have seen Jesus Christ, and are without excuse.

PGE

 

[AKJVReader]

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

He will be all-powerful and supernatural performing miracles in the sight of men bringing down lightning at the snap of his fingers (Rev. 13:13). People will believe he is Christ and this when the delivering up to death, who is the devil (Heb. 2:14), happens. Believing he is Christ people will deliver their loved ones up to be "Saved".
2 Thess 2:10

See this studies about strong delusion and lying signs etc.

Mars, Lord Maitreya, The Ascended Masters & Strong Delusion:

http://pdf.cftresources.com/2007_04-29__Mars,%20Lord%20Maitreya,%20The%20Ascended%20Masters%20&%20Strong%20Delusion.pdf

Strong Delusion - ETs, Aliens, UFOs, Nephilum, Grenada Treaty:

http://pdf.cftresources.com/2008_07...s, Aliens, UFOs, Nephilum, Grenada Treaty.pdf

 

[n2thelight]

24Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. To find an older lie I reckon you need to go clear back to the Garden. PGE

Hitch,how about this,instead of telling me what the verse dosn't mean,how about telling me what it does...

Rev 20:12

 

[Hitch]

Hitch,how about this,instead of telling me what the verse dosn't mean,how about telling me what it does...

Rev 20:12

How about this, you tell me which part you cant understand. ?

 

[warfrog]

Thanks Prince for covering that ,exactly what I would have said.....




Adding to what Prince posted

The 7th trump starts the Day of the Lord,which is the start of the milinnium...

I Corinthians 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."


Everyone is going to enter into the only dimension whereby any soul can be judged. This change from the flesh body into your new spiritual or incorruptible has nothing to do with the condition of your soul. If you were lost before, you still will be lost, and if you have received Jesus Christ and are under His shed blood, you will be in that same spiritual condition. What is happening is at the sounding of the seventh which is the last trumpet all flesh will be done away with, and all souls will now exist in their spiritual bodies.


Those who are in Christ at this time will have immortal souls,with no fear of the second death,those who are not,will still be changed,however their souls are mortal,meaning they stand a chance to die the second death....This second death depends on if they follow satan at the end of the milenium.That's why they are judged according to their works


Revelation 20:12"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."


Notice there are two sets of books here. The first called "The Books" is to judge the unsaved. The second is the "Book of Life" where only the names of the saved are recorded. The saved have had their sins removed from God's judgment and booted out. Though they were committed, the blood of Christ has covered them from being used against us.


Notice how all souls are judged "according to their works". Does it talk about faith here after the Millennium? No. The "great white throne judgment" will not take faith into consideration. The first resurrection takes faith into consideration. That was back on "the Lord's day". That was Jesus Christ's "great day". On the last day of the Millennium age souls are judged by works only.


Why are you judged for works only? Faith is something hoped for but unseen. You don't see Jesus Christ on earth today, you will see his wonderful works, and be led by Him and His Spirit in the Millennium age. Today He is in heaven and not walking on this earth. However, in the millennium, He will be on earth, and all will have full intelligence, with full recall and will be taught. The Heavenly Father honors all those with grace, that have accepted His Son by faith through repentance without Christ's physical presence here on earth, if you believed in His Word.


To those who are not under grace in the Millennium, their salvation will be only through and by their works. For faith doesn't exist to them. There will be no ignorance, physical handicap, for you will see, know, and experience Our Lord first hand.

If you follow the Antichrist, the first Christ to appear, you will have forfeited your salvation in this earth age. You will not be under the grace of God, and your works will be the only thing that matters on the last day of the Millennium, the day of judgment. They will be judged by works alone, for they have seen Jesus Christ, and are without excuse.

So then Pauls a liar through the Holy Spirit?
1 Corinthians 15 22:23 Those who are Christ's at His coming, not all the dead, those who are Christ's.

And Johns vision in Revelation was also false directly from the Lord?

Rev 20:4-5
Christ's are raised but the rest of the dead are not untill the thousand years are finished.
Both arnt raised, Christ's only.

Also when Christ raises you, you are given a spiritual body, just like He was, and they couldnt even tell the difference when they saw Him after He rose Him.
The difference? the flesh is corruptible, we are corruptible, the spiritual is incorruptible, we will not be corruptible.
1Corinthians 15: 35-49

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[n2thelight]

How about this, you tell me which part you cant understand. ?

I have no problem with my understanding,you do,so as I said,tell me what it means

 

[n2thelight]

So then Pauls a liar through the Holy Spirit?
1 Corinthians 15 22:23 Those who are Christ's at His coming, not all the dead, those who are Christ's.

And Johns vision in Revelation was also false directly from the Lord?

Rev 20:4-5
Christ's are raised but the rest of the dead are not untill the thousand years are finished.
Both arnt raised, Christ's only.

Also when Christ raises you, you are given a spiritual body, just like He was, and they couldnt even tell the difference when they saw Him after He rose Him.
The difference? the flesh is corruptible, we are corruptible, the spiritual is incorruptible, we will not be corruptible.
1Corinthians 15: 35-49

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Revelation 20:4 "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

Revelation 20:5 "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

Revelation 20:5 "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."
If you are saved and make a stand against the Antichrist and his deceptions, you will reign with Christ 1,000 years.

Those who did take the "mark of the beast", their souls will not, I repeat, will not have eternal spiritual live, and live again until the Millennium age is over and finished. I Corinthians 15:50-52 describes the mystery of the two bodies. The physical and spiritual bodies are two separate entities.

What are we talking about when it says "the rest of the dead"? The difference in taking part in the first resurrection or not taking part is whether, is hinged on whether or not they were deceived by the Antichrist. Remember, John has been taken in the spirit to the last day before Christ's return. Revelation 20 is talking about that specific day when the last trump sounds, and Jesus Christ our Lord is returning with His saints to earth. This verse is not addressing those who died 50, 100, or any time of any century prior to the sound of the seventh trump. It is addressing the generation (our generation) who will live in the time of the seven seals, and take Satan's mark (the mark of the beast) and give service to him. It is those who will be held in confinement in the place of the lost souls, waiting for the final judgment at the end of the millennium.

I Corinthians 15:52 "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."
The kingdom of God is wherever Jesus Christ is, and flesh and blood cannot exist in that kingdom. When Christ returns for the Millennium age here on earth, flesh and blood bodies will not exist.

I Corinthians 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"

This is a mystery that Paul is going to reveal to us that had been hidden until Paul writing. This mystery concerns what happens at a particular point in time, for at that instant, there will be no more death. "Sleep" as used here, is # 2838 in the Strong's Greek Dictionary; "Koimesis, koy'-may-sis; from 2837, to put to sleep." We read in # 2837; "Koimao, Koy-mah'-o; to put to sleep, to decease, to be dead."
So a time is coming when all the people on the face of the earth will never see death in their flesh bodies again. This is the mystery that Paul is going to tell us; when this event shall take place.

I Corinthians 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

On the first day of the Millennium age, the "Kingdom of Heaven" will be with us on earth. You cannot enter that kingdom age in a flesh body. Therefore, it is written in verse 52 that all will be changed, in the wink of an eye, and at the last trump (seventh trump). When that seventh trump sounds, everyone on earth will be changed to an incorruptible body.

That doesn't have anything to do with your soul, or its condition. Your physical body and your spiritual body (soul) have nothing to do with the condition of one another. Your soul is your inner man that will exist in your current flesh body, and either at death or at the seventh trump, will be changed and enter into a new body (spirit body) which will not be subject to the decay this flesh body is subject to.

So, to understand what will occur in the Millennium age, you must understand that instantly following the seventh trump, all flesh bodies simply do not have life. Not one person will exist in the flesh. Every person will have the same capabilities and all will have the understanding to be taught without Satan's influence.

However, only those saints of God who have died in the flesh, or who lived and stood against Satan will take part in the first resurrection. By that I mean, will have an active part with Jesus Christ in His kingdom and reign, as he rules and teaches the earth for one thousand years, and live in their immortal soul bodies.

I Corinthians 15:53 "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

The word "mortal" as used here in the Greek manuscripts never applies to a physical body, but it applies to your soul. So we see our physical bodies are gone at the seventh trump, and the mortal (soul) must put on immortality. That soul becomes your existence in the Millennium age. When the time of judgment comes at the end of the Millennium, you will enter eternity with Christ, or you will cease to exist -- you will be destroyed. At that time even the memory of your existence will be eliminated. This is serious business, my friend, and you know it.
If you enter the Millennium with a mortal (liable to die) soul, by following the Antichrist in ignorance, you must be an overcomer in the Millennium, or your soul will not put on immortality, and it will die.

Revelation 20:6 "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

Those who took part in the first resurrection were those who died in the Lord, and those who did not yield to Satan, the Antichrist during his "one world" reign. Those who did not take the Antichrist's "mark of the beast", these are the blessed and holy ones. All of these people already will possess an immortal soul during the Millennium.

The "second death" is the second time of testing at the end of the Millennium age after Satan is released for a short season. The saints of Christ, and overcomers of the Antichrist's reign in this earth age of the flesh will not go through the second testing, or resurrection, with those mortal souls living in the Millennium age.

 

[warfrog]

Revelation 20:4 "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

Revelation 20:5 "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

Revelation 20:5 "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."
If you are saved and make a stand against the Antichrist and his deceptions, you will reign with Christ 1,000 years.

Those who did take the "mark of the beast", their souls will not, I repeat, will not have eternal spiritual live, and live again until the Millennium age is over and finished. I Corinthians 15:50-52 describes the mystery of the two bodies. The physical and spiritual bodies are two separate entities.

What are we talking about when it says "the rest of the dead"? The difference in taking part in the first resurrection or not taking part is whether, is hinged on whether or not they were deceived by the Antichrist. Remember, John has been taken in the spirit to the last day before Christ's return. Revelation 20 is talking about that specific day when the last trump sounds, and Jesus Christ our Lord is returning with His saints to earth. This verse is not addressing those who died 50, 100, or any time of any century prior to the sound of the seventh trump. It is addressing the generation (our generation) who will live in the time of the seven seals, and take Satan's mark (the mark of the beast) and give service to him. It is those who will be held in confinement in the place of the lost souls, waiting for the final judgment at the end of the millennium.

I Corinthians 15:52 "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."
The kingdom of God is wherever Jesus Christ is, and flesh and blood cannot exist in that kingdom. When Christ returns for the Millennium age here on earth, flesh and blood bodies will not exist.

I Corinthians 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"

This is a mystery that Paul is going to reveal to us that had been hidden until Paul writing. This mystery concerns what happens at a particular point in time, for at that instant, there will be no more death. "Sleep" as used here, is # 2838 in the Strong's Greek Dictionary; "Koimesis, koy'-may-sis; from 2837, to put to sleep." We read in # 2837; "Koimao, Koy-mah'-o; to put to sleep, to decease, to be dead."
So a time is coming when all the people on the face of the earth will never see death in their flesh bodies again. This is the mystery that Paul is going to tell us; when this event shall take place.

I Corinthians 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

On the first day of the Millennium age, the "Kingdom of Heaven" will be with us on earth. You cannot enter that kingdom age in a flesh body. Therefore, it is written in verse 52 that all will be changed, in the wink of an eye, and at the last trump (seventh trump). When that seventh trump sounds, everyone on earth will be changed to an incorruptible body.

That doesn't have anything to do with your soul, or its condition. Your physical body and your spiritual body (soul) have nothing to do with the condition of one another. Your soul is your inner man that will exist in your current flesh body, and either at death or at the seventh trump, will be changed and enter into a new body (spirit body) which will not be subject to the decay this flesh body is subject to.

So, to understand what will occur in the Millennium age, you must understand that instantly following the seventh trump, all flesh bodies simply do not have life. Not one person will exist in the flesh. Every person will have the same capabilities and all will have the understanding to be taught without Satan's influence.

However, only those saints of God who have died in the flesh, or who lived and stood against Satan will take part in the first resurrection. By that I mean, will have an active part with Jesus Christ in His kingdom and reign, as he rules and teaches the earth for one thousand years, and live in their immortal soul bodies.

I Corinthians 15:53 "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

The word "mortal" as used here in the Greek manuscripts never applies to a physical body, but it applies to your soul. So we see our physical bodies are gone at the seventh trump, and the mortal (soul) must put on immortality. That soul becomes your existence in the Millennium age. When the time of judgment comes at the end of the Millennium, you will enter eternity with Christ, or you will cease to exist -- you will be destroyed. At that time even the memory of your existence will be eliminated. This is serious business, my friend, and you know it.
If you enter the Millennium with a mortal (liable to die) soul, by following the Antichrist in ignorance, you must be an overcomer in the Millennium, or your soul will not put on immortality, and it will die.

Revelation 20:6 "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

Those who took part in the first resurrection were those who died in the Lord, and those who did not yield to Satan, the Antichrist during his "one world" reign. Those who did not take the Antichrist's "mark of the beast", these are the blessed and holy ones. All of these people already will possess an immortal soul during the Millennium.

The "second death" is the second time of testing at the end of the Millennium age after Satan is released for a short season. The saints of Christ, and overcomers of the Antichrist's reign in this earth age of the flesh will not go through the second testing, or resurrection, with those mortal souls living in the Millennium age.

Actually it is addressing all of the rest of the dead from the beggining of time to the end, all dead go to the same places, the sea, Death and Hades according to thier deaths.

Furthermore its even addressed in Daniel 7:12
"As for the rest of the beasts, they had thier dominion taken away, yet thier lives were prolonged for a season and a time."

I'm not going to argue about the soul part/ mortal its not said soul, its said mortal, but it isnt not said either so im not for it and im not againts it, im not really concerned what body those that will be decieved will have, im quite sure it will be a flesh body but all He raises will never be seperated from Him so that means none of His will be decieved at the end of the thousand years.

No, I cant agree with you, the second death mentioned in those verses isnt speaking of a testing, when Christ raises His at His coming, we will stand before the thrones and give account of the good and bad done in the body, each one of us, those who reign with Him for a thousand years will never be seperated.
What is mentioned in those scriptures you posted is the testing of people and the devour of fire from God out of heaven, that is the end of it which leads to the judgement of the dead, in the sea, in Death and Hades, which the second death has power over and finally Death is cast into the lake of fire and we move to the full inheritance of th new heaven and earth, New Jerusalem and dwell with God and the Lord Jesus Christ forever and ever. Amen.

It is not speaking of a testing, it is speaking of the actual judgement, the fire from God out of heaven is the destruction of all of those decieved by Satan at the end of the thousand years, they will satnd before the judgement throne before God with all of the rest of the dead. Satan wont, he will be cast into the lake of fire just like the beast and false prophet were at the coming of Christ.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Elijah674]

If 'i' tell the forum what I have found to be 'one of' the strongest delusions, they almost all might disagree? So, if I am correct, it seems that they must be deluded, huh? (tongue in cheek)

But in Gen. 3 satan in bottom/line call's God a Liar, and most of the created beings of today still TEACH that God did indeed lie & that satan told the truth!

And the question of DELUSION??? We have been around for well past any pre/flood STRIVINGS OF THE HOLY GHOST, even with the Dan. 12:4's INCREASED Knowledge.. and we still see this delusion 'taught' that God is a liar.

--Elijah

 

[Sinthesis]

To those who are not under grace in the Millennium, their salvation will be only through and by their works.

Talk about irony! This actually is/was/will be the 'strong delusion'; that anyone can work their way to salvation. Bravo!