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Strong Delusion

Talk about irony! This actually is/was/will be the 'strong delusion'; that anyone can work their way to salvation. Bravo!:thumbsup

Hi, you best read 2 Cor. 4:2 and see where this above 'post' of yours stands in the Eccl. 12:13-14 accurate RECORD BOOKS!And, it sure seems to have found a whole 'bunch' as LOVELESS Laodicean's who will be SPEWED OUT, huh?

--Elijah
 
There are some confusions here.

First there will be flesh during the millenium. The first resurrection is only for the saints. The survivors of the sons of men will continue to pro-create and populate the world into the millenium. The saints will rule with Christ with a rod of iron over the nations. These same nations will rebel against the Lamb and His saints AFTER the devil is let back out at the close of the millenium.

Rev.2:26And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.



The unregenerate people that live during the millenium are not inheritors of the kingdom. They are NOT of the family of God. They live and die...and rebel when satan is released from his prison.


Revelation 20

1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 
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There are some confusions here.

First there will be flesh during the millenium. The first resurrection is only for the saints. The survivors of the sons of men will continue to pro-create and populate the world into the millenium. The saints will rule with Christ with a rod of iron over the nations. These same nations will rebel against the Lamb and His saints AFTER the devil is let back out at the close of the millenium.

Rev.2:26And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.



The unregenerate people that live during the millenium are not inheritors of the kingdom. They are NOT of the family of God. They live and die...and rebel when satan is released from his prison.
So Christ with a 'Rod of Iron' is as ineffective as the GirlScouts against the Taliban?
 
The saints rule along side because we are His Body.

What do we rule Rockie? What are the outcomes of our rulings? Who /what gets broken with the rod of Iron? What is the purpose of ruling?
 
What do we rule Rockie? What are the outcomes of our rulings? Who /what gets broken with the rod of Iron? What is the purpose of ruling?

The nations, to get rid of the rebellious opposition (that which is broken), to bring in the millennium.
 
The nations, to get rid of the rebellious opposition (that which is broken), to bring in the millennium.
I thought that was the Millennium? So we rule with Him and get ride of opposition ? then what?
 
It doesn't, it's simply part of the plan - why would you suggest God's plan is a failure?
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There are some confusions here.

First there will be flesh during the millenium. The first resurrection is only for the saints. The survivors of the sons of men will continue to pro-create and populate the world into the millenium. The saints will rule with Christ with a rod of iron over the nations. These same nations will rebel against the Lamb and His saints AFTER the devil is let back out at the close of the millenium.
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Revelation 20:4 "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

Revelation 20:5 "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

Revelation 20:5 "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."
If you are saved and make a stand against the Antichrist and his deceptions, you will reign with Christ 1,000 years.

Those who did take the "mark of the beast", their souls will not, I repeat, will not have eternal spiritual live, and live again until the Millennium age is over and finished. I Corinthians 15:50-52 describes the mystery of the two bodies. The physical and spiritual bodies are two separate entities.

What are we talking about when it says "the rest of the dead"? The difference in taking part in the first resurrection or not taking part is whether, is hinged on whether or not they were deceived by the Antichrist. Remember, John has been taken in the spirit to the last day before Christ's return. Revelation 20 is talking about that specific day when the last trump sounds, and Jesus Christ our Lord is returning with His saints to earth. This verse is not addressing those who died 50, 100, or any time of any century prior to the sound of the seventh trump. It is addressing the generation (our generation) who will live in the time of the seven seals, and take Satan's mark (the mark of the beast) and give service to him. It is those who will be held in confinement in the place of the lost souls, waiting for the final judgment at the end of the millennium.

I Corinthians 15:52 "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."
The kingdom of God is wherever Jesus Christ is, and flesh and blood cannot exist in that kingdom. When Christ returns for the Millennium age here on earth, flesh and blood bodies will not exist.

I Corinthians 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"

This is a mystery that Paul is going to reveal to us that had been hidden until Paul writing. This mystery concerns what happens at a particular point in time, for at that instant, there will be no more death. "Sleep" as used here, is # 2838 in the Strong's Greek Dictionary; "Koimesis, koy'-may-sis; from 2837, to put to sleep." We read in # 2837; "Koimao, Koy-mah'-o; to put to sleep, to decease, to be dead."
So a time is coming when all the people on the face of the earth will never see death in their flesh bodies again. This is the mystery that Paul is going to tell us; when this event shall take place.

I Corinthians 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

On the first day of the Millennium age, the "Kingdom of Heaven" will be with us on earth. You cannot enter that kingdom age in a flesh body. Therefore, it is written in verse 52 that all will be changed, in the wink of an eye, and at the last trump (seventh trump). When that seventh trump sounds, everyone on earth will be changed to an incorruptible body.

That doesn't have anything to do with your soul, or its condition. Your physical body and your spiritual body (soul) have nothing to do with the condition of one another. Your soul is your inner man that will exist in your current flesh body, and either at death or at the seventh trump, will be changed and enter into a new body (spirit body) which will not be subject to the decay this flesh body is subject to.

So, to understand what will occur in the Millennium age, you must understand that instantly following the seventh trump, all flesh bodies simply do not have life. Not one person will exist in the flesh. Every person will have the same capabilities and all will have the understanding to be taught without Satan's influence.

However, only those saints of God who have died in the flesh, or who lived and stood against Satan will take part in the first resurrection. By that I mean, will have an active part with Jesus Christ in His kingdom and reign, as he rules and teaches the earth for one thousand years, and live in their immortal soul bodies.

I Corinthians 15:53 "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

The word "mortal" as used here in the Greek manuscripts never applies to a physical body, but it applies to your soul. So we see our physical bodies are gone at the seventh trump, and the mortal (soul) must put on immortality. That soul becomes your existence in the Millennium age. When the time of judgment comes at the end of the Millennium, you will enter eternity with Christ, or you will cease to exist -- you will be destroyed. At that time even the memory of your existence will be eliminated. This is serious business, my friend, and you know it.
If you enter the Millennium with a mortal (liable to die) soul, by following the Antichrist in ignorance, you must be an overcomer in the Millennium, or your soul will not put on immortality, and it will die.

Revelation 20:6 "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

Those who took part in the first resurrection were those who died in the Lord, and those who did not yield to Satan, the Antichrist during his "one world" reign. Those who did not take the Antichrist's "mark of the beast", these are the blessed and holy ones. All of these people already will possess an immortal soul during the Millennium.

The "second death" is the second time of testing at the end of the Millennium age after Satan is released for a short season. The saints of Christ, and overcomers of the Antichrist's reign in this earth age of the flesh will not go through the second testing, or resurrection, with those mortal souls living in the Millennium age.

I would be interested to read where mankind that [are, when joined together living souls] with a body, can become alive when seperated? And 'i' am not talking of having the Holy Spirit INSIDE OF ME. Or the ones devil posessed.

--Elijah
 
So Christ with a 'Rod of Iron' is as ineffective as the GirlScouts against the Taliban?


Actually the flesh always wars against the Spirit. The flesh is untameable! So even with Christ ruling in the world, the flesh still goes it's own way!

The flesh does NOT want to die. Enter satan promising life to the flesh...and voila...instant rebellion!
 
Actually the flesh always wars against the Spirit. The flesh is untameable! So even with Christ ruling in the world, the flesh still goes it's own way!

The flesh does NOT want to die. Enter satan promising life to the flesh...and voila...instant rebellion!
It appears you agree the so-called 'Rod of Iron' rule will be ineffective. Correct?
 
It appears you agree the so-called 'Rod of Iron' rule will be ineffective. Correct?


Yes! Those who survive from mankind will have given themselves over to the anti-Christ...albeit through ignorance. I just wonder if ANY will resist the temptation of the devil's return to seeming power! What a time that will be!

Blessings to you! <><
 
Yes! Those who survive from mankind will have given themselves over to the anti-Christ...albeit through ignorance. I just wonder if ANY will resist the temptation of the devil's return to seeming power! What a time that will be!

Blessings to you! <><
I appreciate your honesty.


Do you have a theory as to why God planned this , assuming you believe He knows it will fail?
 
I appreciate your honesty.


Do you have a theory as to why God planned this , assuming you believe He knows it will fail?

Because the end will come when He puts all things under Him and He subjects Himself to Him who put all things under Him.

(note: He does rule all nations with an iron rod and noone rebels for a thousand years, but at the end of that prophecy, the word of God must be fulfilled, therefore they will surround the camp of the saints and the beloved city in rebellion, so its really not ineffictive in the way your thinking, the purpose is completely fulfilled)

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
Because the end will come when He puts all things under Him and He subjects Himself to Him who put all things under Him.

(note: He does rule all nations with an iron rod and noone rebels for a thousand years, but at the end of that prophecy, the word of God must be fulfilled, therefore they will surround the camp of the saints and the beloved city in rebellion, so its really not ineffictive in the way your thinking, the purpose is completely fulfilled)

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Is there salvation for these folks?
 
Because the end will come when He puts all things under Him and He subjects Himself to Him who put all things under Him.

(note: He does rule all nations with an iron rod and noone rebels for a thousand years, but at the end of that prophecy, the word of God must be fulfilled, therefore they will surround the camp of the saints and the beloved city in rebellion, so its really not ineffictive in the way your thinking, the purpose is completely fulfilled)

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Dont you know the resurrection is at the last day?
 
Is there salvation for these folks?
nope, these choose to reject christ as during that time they can VISIBLY see christ if they so choose by choosing to go to jerusalem.

he reigns from that city during that time. sorry i dont buy enternal security. and that kinda undoes that one.
 
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