Submissive women

[Sparkey]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say through emoticons there, Classik.
Would you care to actually express a question? Or will my response:

":eeeekkk :o " do well enough for you?

 

[Classik]

I was trying to reconcile your post with the thread topic.

 

[Sparkey]

I was trying to reconcile your post with the thread topic.

Oh. Just read the last paragraph first.

 

[Classik]

Sapphire!
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I like this. reba and handy may not feel comfortable with it:

Submission (yielding) isn't for women only.

Another interesting point is:

We are told to submit (yield) to each other.

 

[reba]

Eph 5:21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

 

[Classik]

Eph 5:21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

Good to hear.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I think that probably most Christian women in the Body heed the need to be submissive...

I'm not trying to be contentious at all, but my personal experience, particularly in 'community' type churches is not this at all. Many married woman argue for the 50/50 rule, and they can, because as Classik points out, they have careers of their own and really don't need a man for anything. And the belief that woman can lead in the church is often very close behind this belief.

Now that's a very interesting and enlightening perspective. I've often wondered exactly what were the ramifications of this particular text and really have never heard any solid teaching on the subject. Thanks for sharing this.

My pleasure.

I found there's a really different understanding in the OT of what it means to be 'sanctified' compared to how we commonly think about it in the church. The OT insight into it helps us to know what Paul meant by someone being 'sanctified'. We tend to think of it in terms of salvation and the process of becoming clean. A valid understanding, but not the complete one.

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to share your appreciation. It's encouraging. Is God cool, or what?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

When I hear people say to win anyone over with the Light of Christ, I think the is much easier with people you know, the less you "know" them. The more they truly know you, the more flaws they will see. As with business or anywhere in life, skeptical people will magnify the flaws and weight them against a list of selfless acts.

A truth that even Jesus recognized:

Luke 6:4 (NIV)
"Only in his hometown, among his relatives and his own house is a prophet without honor."

If this was true even for our perfect Savior, how much more true is this for the flawed and imperfect people we are who try to live for, and witness the gospel in our homes?

I have always wondered why my wife can't/won't give me the same respect, and patience, and compassion, etc. that she gives outsiders. I pointed out in a Bible study how we tend to treat the members of our own families the worst, and the pastor, well, got a little upset at the suggestion.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Eph 5:21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

Women submit to the husband's lead. Men submit to the woman's need.

But somehow some people think this means the woman can take authority over the husband. This is no more true than a man can take authority over Christ.

 

[Classik]

Men submit to the woman's need.

The woman's need. That's the goliath most men can't defeat or don't want to defeat.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

The woman's need. That's the goliath most men can't defeat or don't want to defeat.

Lol, that might be true.

If there's one thing I've learned, every criticism I've had about my wife concerning our relationship is what I myself have been guilty of regarding my relationship with Christ. You name it; intimacy, faithfulness, respect... I've failed Christ in all these things. Being well aware of this kind of takes the steam out of my own disappointment with my bride.