[__ Science __ ] Sweden Shuts Historic Churches for Winter to Meet Climate Goals

[hawkman]

I wonder if the Night Clubs in Sweden will close down for the winter ?

Sweden Shuts Historic Churches for Winter to Meet Climate Goals

 

[WIP]

People don't have to meet in a separate building. They can get together in smaller groups at various homes that are heated already.

 

[hawkman]

People don't have to meet in a separate building.

Separate from what ?

They can get together in smaller groups at various homes that are heated already.

But will they is the question .
That will present it's own set of logistics too . Such as , is there enough parking (don't want to get stuck in a yard ) , is it handicap accessible , bathroom included (church should be ) , are the instruments of musical worship there ( piano , organ ,hymn books etc .) , feel uncomfortable meeting in John Doe's house and imposing on them , I am sure I left some out .
Point is things are already in order with minimal prep at the church for service .

 

[Milk-Drops]

Separate from what ?

But will they is the question .
That will present it's own set of logistics too . Such as , is there enough parking (don't want to get stuck in a yard ) , is it handicap accessible , bathroom included (church should be ) , are the instruments of musical worship there ( piano , organ ,hymn books etc .) , feel uncomfortable meeting in John Doe's house and imposing on them , I am sure I left some out .
Point is things are already in order with minimal prep at the church for service .

Why not attend the 3493 other church if sweden build8ngs still open?

 

[WIP]

Separate from what ?

A church building that is closed anyway.

But will they is the question .
That will present it's own set of logistics too . Such as , is there enough parking (don't want to get stuck in a yard ) , is it handicap accessible , bathroom included (church should be ) , are the instruments of musical worship there ( piano , organ ,hymn books etc .) , feel uncomfortable meeting in John Doe's house and imposing on them , I am sure I left some out .
Point is things are already in order with minimal prep at the church for service .

Sounds like some excuses to me. A church worship service doesn't have to be some kind of production. It is a time of fellowship and worship of our Creator God.

In our country Lutheran church a number of years ago, our church decided to start a men's Bible study group that would meet once a month and we would do it in someone's home. Each month someone else volunteered to open their home for the meeting. There were about 15-20 men that attended these meetings. If there was someone that needed special help such as a wheelchair, we would just help them. Word got around and it didn't take long for men to come from all over the area and representing many various denominations including Lutheran, Baptist, Catholic, Presbyterian, Mennonite, and Amish. There may have been others, but I don't recall. We did this for quite a few years until the pandemic in 2020.

Since about 1995 I have been involved with a men's Bible chorus. Two of the three fellows that started the group, one of them being our director, as well as others have since passed and for the past five years or so, we don't meet regularly but we still get requests to sing from time-to-time for special occasions. When we were doing this regularly, we would meet once a month at our director's home. Fortunately, his wife is a wonderful pianist, and she would provide the accompaniment for us. At our peak there were around 35 members.

My point is, if there's a will, there's a way.

 

[jasonc]

A church building that is closed anyway.


Sounds like some excuses to me. A church worship service doesn't have to be some kind of production. It is a time of fellowship and worship of our Creator God.

In our country Lutheran church a number of years ago, our church decided to start a men's Bible study group that would meet once a month and we would do it in someone's home. Each month someone else volunteered to open their home for the meeting. There were about 15-20 men that attended these meetings. If there was someone that needed special help such as a wheelchair, we would just help them. Word got around and it didn't take long for men to come from all over the area and representing many various denominations including Lutheran, Baptist, Catholic, Presbyterian, Mennonite, and Amish. There may have been others, but I don't recall. We did this for quite a few years until the pandemic in 2020.

Since about 1995 I have been involved with a men's Bible chorus. Two of the three fellows that started the group, one of them being our director, as well as others have since passed and for the past five years or so, we don't meet regularly but we still get requests to sing from time-to-time for special occasions. When we were doing this regularly, we would meet once a month at our director's home. Fortunately, his wife is a wonderful pianist, and she would provide the accompaniment for us. At our peak there were around 35 members.

My point is, if there's a will, there's a way.

I get your point but corporate worship requires a worship team an minister to read the word .

My church simply wouldn't last doing that .we lost members during COVID .

They simply found a reason not to attend any church . My church has four that can teach .pastor and the two elders and one other who the session agreed to as he has lead a Bible study .we do have a retired pastor but often because of his health isn't asked as much .


As far as worship ,well off key can be done but the session picks and grooms what is it to be sung .it must be solidly biblical . Much of modern music that is Christian radio isn't .

We have used hymns when the power went out .

The worship team used the piano which never needs a microphone and the acoustic guitar was used .

I just can't see fifty people meeting in a single home here without violation of a code unless it's the homes like the bar code house .

Or outside but well in that element it wouldn't happen .

 

[jasonc]

I wonder if the Night Clubs in Sweden will close down for the winter ?

Sweden Shuts Historic Churches for Winter to Meet Climate Goals

Of course not ! They need that tax revenue

Taxes from that alcohol ,nicotine and also permits for concerts plus that and the hotel taxes etc .


To put this in context .

A concert even a baseball game at night ,two of them at times can use slot of power .demand kwh at about five grand .that's a few games a week !

The local AMC on the mall route paid 50000 dollars for power at the most ,average was 230000.

One demand meter of 240 !

 

[jasonc]

Of course not ! They need that tax revenue

Taxes from that alcohol ,nicotine and also permits for concerts plus that and the hotel taxes etc .


To put this in context .

A concert even a baseball game at night ,two of them at times can use slot of power .demand kwh at about five grand .that's a few games a week !

The local AMC on the mall route paid 50000 dollars for power at the most ,average was 230000.

One demand meter of 240 !

But this wasn't a state shutdown

 

[jasonc]

The average house here .doesn't use over 1000 kwh even in the summer .

There are homes on the old grid that had demand usage and used 10000 kwh .

The govt will ration you to about nothing then cry for money as they just cut their own hands .

There was that California grid that asked people to use more water because they simply were struggling .

They use tier billing .the more you use the more the rate per thousand gallons goes up.

 

[WIP]

My church simply wouldn't last doing that .we lost members during COVID .

We lost a few that way too, but there's very little we can do about that. We just hope they found another church and didn't just stop altogether.