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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join Hidden in Him and For His Glory for discussions on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/become-a-vessel-of-honor-part-2.112306/
Taking a look at the Statement of Faith
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Glad to meet you forhisglory and thanks for the welcome. I appreciate your reply, but my understanding is that a creed attempts to state only the bare essentials of the content of faith that is necessary to believe at least implicitly in order to be saved, whereas a SOF includes secondary doctrines, such as biblical inspiration, that I'm sure you agree is complicated and not understood by many young Christians. My interest is to weed out the secondary stuff but compile a comprehensive elaboration of what is implied by Paul's answer to the jailer, and this is what I have pulled together for your evaluation, if you care to share it:Hi Groovy and welcome to CF
I can agree that with each statement made should have written scripture to back up each one made. Those of us who are seasoned in the word of God already know and agree with that which has been written as we have read the scriptures. Below is a website that includes many scriptures from which the Christian statement of faith derives from. Hope it helps.
Statement of Faith
Statement of Faith Samaritan's Purse bases its ministry on the following statement of faith: 1. We believe the Bible to be the inspired, the only infallible, authoritative Word of God revealing the love of God to the world. 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; John 3:16. 2. We believe...www.samaritanspurse.org
The normative way of stating the kerygma/GRFS in the NT is “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in 2Cor. 4:5 & Col. 2:6). The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in this statement can be explained or elaborated as follows:
- There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (Deut. 6:4, John 3:16, 2Thes. 1:6), who is both able (2Tim. 1:12) and willing (1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
- Human beings are selfish or sinful (Rom. 3:23, 2Tim. 3:2-4, Col. 3:5), miserable (Gal. 5:19-21), and hopeless (Eph. 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (Matt. 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (John 3:18, Rom. 2:5-11).
- Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31, Phil. 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (Rom. 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1Cor. 15:14-28).
- Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s grace or justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (Luke 2:11, John 14:6, Acts 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (Matt. 22:37-40, John 13:35, Rom. 13:9)—forever (Matt. 10:22, Psa. 113:2).
- Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with all who truly accept/love Him (Rev. 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven after Christ returns when by means of persevering in learning Truth/God’s Word/sanctification everyone cooperates fully with His will (John 14:6, 17&26, Rom. 8:6-17, Gal. 6:7-9, Eph. 1:13-14, Heb. 10:36, 12:1, Jam. 1:2-4).
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What might help you is to take each statement that is written and search scripture for that statement as it will give you a better understanding of the full context of each statement made. It's more about what Christians believe as in faith and salvation.
Not sure you understood my saying that my interest is in a minimal creed rather than in a broad statement of faith,
and I also am more interested in what you believe about each point of the 5-point creed I shared. If some
part of your book on Revelation is relevant to this creed, please share and discuss it here. Thanks.
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Can you go to the “Topical Studies” area of “Forums”.
Then click on it.
From there go to Soteriology.
There you will find the thread.
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In preferences you may have to allow him to access.
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It was set up that way back in the day.
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There are three clauses. What is self-contradictory?
We should be careful in using words like "roles," as that is what is used in Modalism. The Trinity is that the three persons are eternally distinct, being coequal and coeternal; "one in essence and three in person." There has never been a time when all three did not exist.
What creed? It's a statement of faith.
Again, it's just a statement of faith, a statement of beliefs.
I wouldn't say that "desire for heaven is the biblical reason for faith God," but what detail should be added, and why? These aren't meant to be exhaustive.
Why elaboration?
Why the need for clarification if its biblical?
1Co 12:13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit. (ESV)
Greetings in the Lord, Free, and thanks for your trouble-shooting help.
I will answer your questions, numbering them for easier reference.
1. There are three clauses. What is self-contradictory? [["in the original autographs" and "a complete and final written revelation from God", because we do not have the originals--which would be the finals.
2. We should be careful in using words like "roles," [[True, and I am, which I can share with you if desired]]
3. What creed? It's a statement of faith. [[Yes, but IMU one which attempts to state God's minimum requirement, (which I attempt to do in the 5-point creed I will share if desired), whereas a SOF is broader and includes some secondary doctrines]]
4. I wouldn't say that "desire for heaven is the biblical reason for faith God," but what detail should be added, and why? These aren't meant to be exhaustive. [[heaven = salvation from hell, and mention of eternal love, joy and peace could be added]]
5. Why elaboration? (re the Holy Spirit) [[Because "filled and empowered" is too vague and could be clarified by citing Scripture teaching that the purpose of the HS is to teach GW, and the presence of the HS is manifested by the fruit of the Spirit summarized as love (cf. Rom. 5;5, Gal. 5:22-23, John 13:35).
6. Why the need for clarification if its biblical? [[ My comment refers to the baptism of the Holy Spirit, but was this added by the poster? I did not discover the official CF SOF until later, and wish I had used that as the basis for my reply, but if 1Cor. 12:13 is what you have in mind, then it could be cited for clarity.]]
Hope this helps us become oner.
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The Christian statement of faith fans from the book of Genesis to the book of Revelation as here is where you will find the statement of faith in all the scriptures. Hope this is what you are looking for.
Bless you FHG, but I already pulled together the Scriptures needed to support the Christian creed I shared in post #45. At this point I would be more interested in you copying and pasting passages from your book that you think are related to the five points of the creed for us to discuss.on this thread. Thanks.
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You are putting way to much thought in a simple statement of the Christian faith in Christ Jesus as to what we believe that He has taught all of us. Jesus is that gift of God's grace, Ephesians 2:8, that whosoever will believe in Him will have eternal life with Him, John 3:17-17.
The book of Revelation emphasizes the importance of unwavering faith in Christ Jesus, especially during times of persecution and tribulation. It's our allegiance to Christ Jesus and His kingdom rather than to the powers of this world. It's all about our loyalty to Christ above all else. Revelation highlights the need of perseverance as an active commitment to living out one's faith in the face of opposition. Revelation presents a clear choice between two paths. One being our allegiance to Christ and His kingdom and the other path that leads us to allegiance with the forces of evil. From Genesis to the book of Revelation has always taught us about faith, especially in the book of Hebrews chapter 11.
This is why you have to have the full context of scripture to understand what faith is all about and not just a couple of scriptures. It's a statement of our faith in Christ Jesus and what He has done for every one if they would only come boldly to His throne of grace. Faith consist of all those scriptures I posted from the Bible as faith has many aspects to it, but mainly our faith that is our belief in Christ Jesus.
Perhaps I need to explain better that belief in the simple answer of Paul to the jailer and in the command of Jesus to seek are sufficient for satisfying GRFS. The 5-point elaboration is implied by the simple statement and should be understood for a mature faith, but a child or new convert might not realize it until they learn more of God's Word.
I might point out that the continuation of saving faith toward eternal life is implied in Ephesians 2:10, so I always cite the fuller context, because you are correct to note how important that is for rightly understanding Scripture.
That is why I cite so many Scriptures in the elaborated creed.
I agree that the main emphasis of Revelation is perseverance, as in RV 2:10, “Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.”
I note that you associated faith with choice, which indicates that faith and will are essentially synonymous. I led a sheltered Baptist life and only recently encountered those who choose to believe in the TULIP dogma, and have been amazed at their failure to realize how it makes a mockery of the Bible history of salvation.
Finally, we should note how Hebrews 11 assumes OT believers had faith equivalent to NT belief in Christ,
even without knowing his name would be Jesus.
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Groovy
A Christian statement of faith is a concise declaration of core beliefs held by Christians. These statements often outline beliefs about God, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, salvation, and the Bible. They serve as a summary of essential Christian doctrines and are used by churches and denominations to express their shared faith.
Here's a breakdown of common elements found in Christian statements of faith:
1. God:
Belief in one God, existing eternally in three persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit.
These three persons are co-equal, co-eternal, and of one substance.
God is the Creator and Sustainer of all things.
2. Jesus Christ:
Jesus is the Son of God, fully God and fully human.
He was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary.
He lived a sinless life, performed miracles, died on the cross as a sacrifice for the sins of humanity, was resurrected bodily, ascended to heaven, and will return again.
3. Holy Spirit:
The Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity, co-equal with the Father and the Son.
He convicts the world of sin, regenerates believers, indwells them, guides them into all truth, and empowers them for service and witness.
4. Salvation:
Salvation is a gift from God, received through faith in Jesus Christ.
It involves repentance from sin and belief in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus.
Salvation leads to forgiveness of sins, reconciliation with God, and eternal life with Him.
5. The Bible:
The Bible, consisting of the Old and New Testaments, is the inspired, inerrant, and authoritative Word of God.
It is the ultimate guide for faith and practice.
6. The Church:
The Church is the body of Christ, composed of all believers.
It is called to worship God, proclaim the gospel, and care for others.
The Church is manifest in local congregations.
7. The Future:
Belief in the bodily resurrection of the dead, both of the saved and the unsaved.
Belief in the final judgment, where the saved will inherit eternal life and the unsaved will face eternal punishment.
Belief in the ultimate victory of God's kingdom.
A Christian statement of faith is a concise declaration of core beliefs held by Christians. These statements often outline beliefs about God, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, salvation, and the Bible. They serve as a summary of essential Christian doctrines and are used by churches and denominations to express their shared faith.
Here's a breakdown of common elements found in Christian statements of faith:
1. God:
Belief in one God, existing eternally in three persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit.
These three persons are co-equal, co-eternal, and of one substance.
God is the Creator and Sustainer of all things.
2. Jesus Christ:
Jesus is the Son of God, fully God and fully human.
He was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary.
He lived a sinless life, performed miracles, died on the cross as a sacrifice for the sins of humanity, was resurrected bodily, ascended to heaven, and will return again.
3. Holy Spirit:
The Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity, co-equal with the Father and the Son.
He convicts the world of sin, regenerates believers, indwells them, guides them into all truth, and empowers them for service and witness.
4. Salvation:
Salvation is a gift from God, received through faith in Jesus Christ.
It involves repentance from sin and belief in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus.
Salvation leads to forgiveness of sins, reconciliation with God, and eternal life with Him.
5. The Bible:
The Bible, consisting of the Old and New Testaments, is the inspired, inerrant, and authoritative Word of God.
It is the ultimate guide for faith and practice.
6. The Church:
The Church is the body of Christ, composed of all believers.
It is called to worship God, proclaim the gospel, and care for others.
The Church is manifest in local congregations.
7. The Future:
Belief in the bodily resurrection of the dead, both of the saved and the unsaved.
Belief in the final judgment, where the saved will inherit eternal life and the unsaved will face eternal punishment.
Belief in the ultimate victory of God's kingdom.
It is helpful that you posted that SOF, so we can compare it to my elaboration of the Christian creed, keeping in mind that the latter attempts to pare down the former so that in includes only content that is necessary to believe (the Gospel kerygma) at least implicitly in order to make a valid profession of faith.
1. This attempts to explain the Trinity, which is not requisite but rather can be learned following belief in the Gospel. The term "Creator" is implied but missing from my #1, so I will add it.
2. This attempts to explain Christ's birth and two natures, which like the Trinity is a complex doctrine that can be learned subsequent to believing the Gospel. The last sentence is good and essentially parallels what I say.
3. The HS is cited in my #5, because He indwells believers as the result of #3 & 4. Again, there is no need to explain the Trinity, but the description of His role is good.
4. This is true enough but rather watered down compared to my mention of misery and hell.
5. Like the Trinity, Biblical Inspiration is a secondary (didachaic) doctrine that does not need to be understood until after a person believes the NT Gospel, so it is not properly included in a creedal statement.
6. Ditto regarding the doctrine of the church.
7. This is relevant to the creed insofar as it expresses the reason salvation is needed: from what and to where.
Gotta go run some errands now, so TTYL.
