Tasted Death for every Man !

[Butch5]

He guys, the "world" in world to come is actually the age to come. It's not the world as in this planet we live on

 

[brightfame52]

None taken, brightframe52 and thanks for your reply.
No, you're correct, the world to come didn't need to be saved from sin (as though it was already there and judged) --
it needed to be protected from the law of sin and death If I implied otherwise, then I didn't state very well what I intended to. The law of sin and death was to not be permitted reign over it . The law of Christ is what denied it.
God decreed the law of Christ; Christ's offering brought it to fruition - just as Adam's and Eve's transgression brought to fruition the law of sin and death.

[Rev 21:27
KJV] 27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.


It seems to me they became "dead to the law" - the law of sin and death- through Christ's sacrifice as the Lamb of God in heaven and by His offering on the cross, which placed then under the auspices of law of life in Christ. They were taken out from reign of one law (the bad one), and placed under the reign of another one (the good one).
Please see Rom 8:2 following

[Rom 7:4 KJV]
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, [even] to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

[Rom 8:2 KJV] 2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

But.. then again I could be completely wrong about all of this

You have lost me friend.

 

[rogerg]

You have lost me friend.

[Rev 21:27 KJV] 27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

 

[rogerg]

He guys, the "world" in world to come is actually the age to come. It's not the world as in this planet we live on

Sorry Butch5, is this for me, someone else, or a general comment?

 

[Butch5]

Sorry Butch5, is this for me, someone else, or a general comment?

I was just putting it out there. I noticed you guys were talking about the heaven and earth passing and the world to come. I was just pointing that the passage actually says that age to come.

 

[rogerg]

was just putting it out there. I noticed you guys were talking about the heaven and earth passing and the world to come. I was just pointing that the passage actually says that age to come.

Okay thanks

 

[GodsGrace]

Hi wondering


I think "world" is a different Greek word than either heaven or earth, so it might represent something else but couldn't find it defined anywhere (could have missed it). Not sure what else would be left. I could speculate but rather be certain (if possible). What do you think it means?

Yes, world is different than heaven...however it CAN mean earth.
World can have different meanings in scripture...this is why it's important to read the entire context of a verse to understand which meaning of world is being spoken of.

For example, in John 3:16 the word world clearly means all the people that inhabit earth.
John 3:16
16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son,...


In other verses it could mean the world system...how the unsaved live for only THIS life...for example in
Romans 12:2
2And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind...



It could also mean a period of time...
1 Timothy 6:17
17Instruct those who are rich in this present world not to be conceited or to fix their hope on the uncertainty of riches, but on God,....

2 Peter 2:5
5and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah,...

I think "loved" is in the Aroist tense (not that I'm expert in Greek) but my understanding is that it is typically rendered in the past tense even when no tense has actually been established.

Well, kudos to you! You're the first person that spoke about the aorist tense and mentioned that it is not a period of time, or a tense as we English speakers understand.

I know a teacher of Greek and reads the bible in Greek and taught it and he told me to forget about trying to understand it for these purposes. The bible was translated correctly by those that DO understand Greek and we can trust how the Greek was translated. I know that a slant can be given to a verse, but this will only happen to one or two versions of the bible and the rest will have the correct translation. If something is very important, I check different versions.

Sorry, you kind of lost me on this one - I'm not sure what you mean? God wrote the Bible because He want's us to think, I think - He reasons with us through His word. Don't forget His admonition that to come to a proper interpretation of the Bible, we are to compare the spiritual with the spiritual and also that no prophecy of scripture is of any private interpretation. There are many other admonitions of this type.
If we just take the Bible's verses individually or just at face value, we run the very great risk of coming to an incorrect interpretation
Thinking and reasoning are sometimes necessary in order to do that - so I think God is telling us to think because He doesn't always say everything explicitly.

I agree with all you've said. In your previous post you stated that maybe God was "thinking" something.
My point is not to take the verses beyond what they say...
Whatever God wants us to know will be clearly stated - we don't need to wonder what He may have been "thinking".

Regarding thinking in understanding the Bible:
[Phl 2:13 KJV] 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.

Regarding biblical interpretation
[2Pe 1:20 KJV] 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
[1Co 2:13 KJV] 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Don't you think that the heavens and earth are to be destroyed and the next world will replace this world ? Were there no sin in them, why would He do this? Why would God destroy them if He loves them?

Earth is to be destroyed and the New Jerusalem will be established to replace this world. Yes, I believe this.
Why would God do this? I mean end this world?
This is a good question and one I haven't thought about.
It would make a good thread.
You can start it or I will.
It would be in THEOLOGY.
(let me know in your reply).

God gave up this earth to men. In a sense, this earth is no longer His earth.
[Psa 115:15-16 KJV]
15 Ye [are] blessed of the LORD which made heaven and earth.
16 The heaven, [even] the heavens, [are] the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

Satan is its prince:
[Jhn 12:31 KJV] 31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

Agreed again. This world belongs to the prince of the air.

Ephesians 2:2
2In which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience—

Ephesians 6:12
12For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

John 12:31
31Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out.

I think Romans 5:8,9,10 are referring to true believers, or to those who will become true believers, but not to everyone, or then everyone would become saved.

Romans 5:8-10
8But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
10For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

The above is speaking about believers.
But WHEN did Jesus die for us?
WHILE WE WERE YET SINNERS, Christ died for us.
Christ died for sinners...not for saved persons.
God loves everyone created...even sinners, enough to send His only begotten Son to die as the final sacrifice.
God wishes that none should perish...but alas, not everyone will accept His love for them.

1 Timothy 2:3-4
3This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

God does not love the unrighteous and the unrighteous are those not justified by Christ.

[Jhn 17:9 KJV]
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

The bible teaches that God loves everyone but hates sin and will eventually lose patience with evil and wicked men.
Can you find a bible verse that shows that God hates persons and not their evil deeds?
I can't think of any....

Two "world"(s) are referenced in the Bible: 1) the current world and,2) the world to come. Maybe I misunderstand your point, but it seems like you're saying all references are to the world to come - they're not - many are to the current world. Spiritually speaking then, 18 (above) is saying those of the unsaved hate those of the saved and who are of the next world.

No, not all references are to the world to come.
As stated above, WORLD has different meanings and we must know the context of the verse.

Sorry should probably stop here due to the restriction. I might try to finish tonight but probably tomorrow. Thanks

Thank you!

 

[GodsGrace]

He guys, the "world" in world to come is actually the age to come. It's not the world as in this planet we live on

The verse you're referring to does say "age".
But rogerg and I are just referring to THIS world and the new world to come...
the New Jerusalem...the New Earth.
And I do believe the new World will be this planet...I believe God will take it back from satan.
I can't think of any verse right now to support this...
if anyone else can,,,I hope they post it.

 

[Butch5]

The verse you're referring to does say "age".
But rogerg and I are just referring to THIS world and the new world to come...
the New Jerusalem...the New Earth.
And I do believe the new World will be this planet...I believe God will take it back from satan.
I can't think of any verse right now to support this...
if anyone else can,,,I hope they post it.

Hi Wondering,

I agree. That's why I posted it. Often people think of new as different. Example, I'm going to get a new car. That implies a different one. By using age, we can see that it is this current world at a different time.

 

[rogerg]

The verse you're referring to does say "age".
But @rogerg and I are just referring to THIS world and the new world to come...
the New Jerusalem...the New Earth.
And I do believe the new World will be this planet...I believe God will take it back from satan.
I can't think of any verse right now to support this...
if anyone else can,,,I hope they post it.

[Isa 65:17 KJV]
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

 

[rogerg]

I agree. That's why I posted it. Often people think of new as different. Example, I'm going to get a new car. That implies a different one. By using age, we can see that it is this current world at a different time.

[2Pe 3:10-11 KJV]
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 [Seeing] then [that] all these things shall be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation and godliness,

 

[brightfame52]

[Rev 21:27 KJV] 27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Okay, so I have no problem with that verse. Why are you quoting it?

 

[Butch5]

[2Pe 3:10-11 KJV]
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt withThe fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 [Seeing] then [that] all these things shall be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation and godliness,

Hi Roger,


the current system will be pass away. That doesn't mean the planet will. In verse 11 the word translated "dissolve" is a poor translation. The word actually mean to loose, as in to loose that which is bound. That leads to the question, what is Peter saying will be loosed? Paul tells us that the creation is going to be loosed or set free of the curse. Remember, in Genesis God cursed the ground.

19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. (Rom. 8:1 KJV)

This is what Peter is referring to. The earth isn't going to be destroyed, it's going to be renewed. Peter tells us this in Acts 3.

18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled. 19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. (Acts 3:1 KJV)

Peter speaks of the restoration of all things. He's telling us that Christ will remain in Heaven until it's time for the creation to be restored. We also see this kind of language in Revelation.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. (Rev. 21:5 KJV)

Notice He said, "I make all things new", He didn't say I make all new things.

 

[rogerg]

Hi Butch5

until the times of restitution of all things

Sorry, don't understand your point regarding restitution.

1. restoration
   1. of a true theocracy
   2. of the perfect state before the fall
      
      "before the fall": restoration of all things as they were before Adam's and Eve's fall/transgression: spiritual death no longer for the saints

19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. (Rom. 8:1 KJV)

This is what Peter is referring to. The earth isn't going to be destroyed, it's going to be renewed. Peter tells us this in Acts 3.

Gotta disagree with you on this, Butch5 - it is as clear as clear can be that the current heavens, earth (world?), will be gone forever - not coming back.

In addition to my prior:

[Isa 24:19 KJV] 19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.

[Isa 34:4 KJV] 4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling [fig] from the fig tree.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. (Rev. 21:5 KJV)

Notice He said, "I make all things new", He didn't say I make all new things.

I think that distinction is one of your own choosing. I can see that the verses support that kind of an interpretation, The Bible CLEARLY tells us the current earth will "melt with fervent heat", So, that statement doesn't leave much wiggle room.

When He said He makes all things new, I believe He was referring to the new heavens and new earth, not this one - it will be dissolved/ rolled together as a scroll.

This earth is under God's judgement and curse. We can get a sense of that in John 17

[Jhn 17:9 KJV]
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

[Jhn 17:14-16, 20 KJV]
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. ...

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

 

[rogerg]

Okay, so I have no problem with that verse. Why are you quoting it?

Hello brightfame52,
I thought you had said that I lost you. I was trying to demonstrate that the law of the spirit of life in Christ, will
deny sin from entering into the new earth, Jerusalem, ETC - unless, that is, I misunderstood your point,

 

[rogerg]

Yes, world is different than heaven...however it CAN mean earth.

Hi wondering,

If it's okay with you, since your post is kind of lengthy, I'll try to reply to it tomorrow - thx

 

[Butch5]

Hi Butch5


Sorry, don't understand your point regarding restitution.

1. restoration
   1. of a true theocracy
   2. of the perfect state before the fall
      
      "before the fall": restoration of all things as they were before Adam's and Eve's fall/transgression: spiritual death no longer for the saints

Gotta disagree with you on this, Butch5 - it is as clear as clear can be that the current heavens, earth (world?), will be gone forever - not coming back.

In addition to my prior:

[Isa 24:19 KJV] 19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.

[Isa 34:4 KJV] 4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling [fig] from the fig tree.






I think that distinction is one of your own choosing. I can see that the verses support that kind of an interpretation, The Bible CLEARLY tells us the current earth will "melt with fervent heat", So, that statement doesn't leave much wiggle room.

When He said He makes all things new, I believe He was referring to the new heavens and new earth, not this one - it will be dissolved/ rolled together as a scroll.

This earth is under God's judgement and curse. We can get a sense of that in John 17

[Jhn 17:9 KJV]
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

[Jhn 17:14-16, 20 KJV]
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. ...

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

Hi Roger,

As I pointed out, the word dissolve is a poor translation. The word means to be loosed or set free. Paul said that the creation was going to be delivered or loosed into the hands of the children of God. The creation is Jesus' inheritance.

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. (Ps. 2:4-8 KJV)

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; (Heb. 1:1-3 KJV)

Paul said that Jesus is the heir of all things. The creation is His inheritance. Surely God is not going to destroy it.

God also promised the land to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Christ.

14 And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:
15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever. (Gen. 13:14-15 KJV)

The land was promised to Abraham. He never received it. The only way he can receive it is through the Resurrection. Luke records these words from Stephen.

2 And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran,
3 And said unto him, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall shew thee.
4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.
5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child. (Acts 7:2-5 KJV)

Stephen tells us that God promised Abraham an inheritance in that land, yet He never gave it to Abraham. That means either Abraham gets it in the Resurrection or God doesn't fulfill the promise. The Bible tells us that God's promises are certain, that can only leave Abraham receiving that land in the Resurrection. However, Abraham can't receive that land if it is totally destroyed.

And there was a famine in the land, beside the first famine that was in the days of Abraham. And Isaac went unto Abimelech king of the Philistines unto Gerar.
2 And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of:
3 Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father; (Gen. 26:1-3 KJV)

Here God promises the land to Isaac.

10 And Jacob went out from Beersheba, and went toward Haran.
11 And he lighted upon a certain place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took of the stones of that place, and put them for his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep.
12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.
13 And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed; (Gen. 28:10-13 KJV)

Here the land is promised to Jacob.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. (Gal. 3:16 KJV)

Here, Paul tells us that the land that was promised to Abraham and his seed, the See was Christ.

Surely God didn't go and promise this land to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Jesus, and believers who are joint heirs with Christ, if the whole plan was to ultimately destroy it. Especially seeing the none of them have yet inherited it.

 

[rogerg]

Hi Roger,

As I pointed out, the word dissolve is a poor translation. The word means to be loosed or set free. Paul said that the creation was going to be delivered or loosed into the hands of the children of God. The creation is Jesus' inheritance.

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. (Ps. 2:4-8 KJV)

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; (Heb. 1:1-3 KJV)

Paul said that Jesus is the heir of all things. The creation is His inheritance. Surely God is not going to destroy it.

God also promised the land to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Christ.

14 And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:
15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever. (Gen. 13:14-15 KJV)

The land was promised to Abraham. He never received it. The only way he can receive it is through the Resurrection. Luke records these words from Stephen.

2 And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran,
3 And said unto him, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall shew thee.
4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.
5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child. (Acts 7:2-5 KJV)

Stephen tells us that God promised Abraham an inheritance in that land, yet He never gave it to Abraham. That means either Abraham gets it in the Resurrection or God doesn't fulfill the promise. The Bible tells us that God's promises are certain, that can only leave Abraham receiving that land in the Resurrection. However, Abraham can't receive that land if it is totally destroyed.

And there was a famine in the land, beside the first famine that was in the days of Abraham. And Isaac went unto Abimelech king of the Philistines unto Gerar.
2 And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of:
3 Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father; (Gen. 26:1-3 KJV)

Here God promises the land to Isaac.

10 And Jacob went out from Beersheba, and went toward Haran.
11 And he lighted upon a certain place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took of the stones of that place, and put them for his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep.
12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.
13 And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed; (Gen. 28:10-13 KJV)

Here the land is promised to Jacob.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. (Gal. 3:16 KJV)

Here, Paul tells us that the land that was promised to Abraham and his seed, the See was Christ.

Surely God didn't go and promise this land to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Jesus, and believers who are joint heirs with Christ, if the whole plan was to ultimately destroy it. Especially seeing the none of them have yet inherited it.

I'll try to reply to your points more fully tomorrow, but for now allow me to say there are two types of promises God made to Abram: for the land of this earth( among other things) , and for the land of the new earth(among other things) so it's easy to confuse the two: I do so easily, however, what helps me is if you look for the word "everlasting" in God's promises. Some have it, some don't

 

[Butch5]

I'll try to reply to your points more fully tomorrow, but for now allow me to say there are two types of promises God made to Abram: for the land of this earth( among other things) , and for the land of the new earth(among other things) so it's easy to confuse the two: I do so easily, however, what helps me is if you look for the word "everlasting" in God's promises. Some have it, some don't

Roger,

There is no new earth. God told Abraham to look around. All the land that he could see was his inheritance. He didnt see some earth created in the future. It was the land around him.

 

[daninthelionsden]

I know a teacher of Greek and reads the bible in Greek and taught it and he told me to forget about trying to understand it for these purposes. The bible was translated correctly by those that DO understand Greek and we can trust how the Greek was translated. I know that a slant can be given to a verse, but this will only happen to one or two versions of the bible and the rest will have the correct translation. If something is very important, I check different versions.

If I may humbly ask a quick side question...which Bible version(s)/translation(s) do you like?