Tasted Death for every Man !

[JLB]

Yes, it indicates marriage... but not of the marriage of those who have become married to the Lamb. Instead, it is of those who were/are "put away" by God

Please show me where the text says they were put away by God.


Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. James 4:4

• Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

The text plainly says that those who want to be friends with the world, make themselves an enemy of God.


Nothing at all about God “putting them away”, just the opposite in fact.


Each born again ChristIan who has the Spirit “in them” must make the choice whether or not to have friendship with the world or not.


Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, “The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously”? James 4:5





JLB

 

[rogerg]

Please show me where the text says they were put away by God.

Okay, "had put her away", meaning Israel. You didn't read my post. Israel was put away for adultery.
If the Chruch were to be adulterous through the following false gods (which it didn't and couldn't), as Israel was, then it would have to be put away too with divorce - but it can't be adulterous. Neither can those of the Church (those saved), individually or collectively, be adulterous -- that too is an impossibility.

My point with this was that James 4:4 is referring to the unsaved, not to the saved.

[Jer 3:8 KJV] 8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

 

[GodsGrace]

Okay, "had put her away", meaning Israel. You didn't read my post. Israel was put away for adultery.
If the Chruch were to be adulterous through the following false gods (which it didn't and couldn't), as Israel was, then it would have to be put away too with divorce - but it can't be adulterous. Neither can those of the Church (those saved), individually or collectively, be adulterous -- that too is an impossibility.

My point with this was that James 4:4 is referring to the unsaved, not to the saved.

[Jer 3:8 KJV] 8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

See post 1421.

You should follow what the bible teaches....
No matter where it leads you.

 

[rogerg]

See post 1421.

You should follow what the bible teaches....
No matter where it leads you.

I did. you didn't see the verses I included in my post? Where didn't I follow it?

 

[for_his_glory]

I think that all of the "are saved" below are in the present tense.

[1Co 1:18 KJV] 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
[2Co 2:15 KJV] 15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:
[Eph 2:5 KJV] 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

I can see it that way for if we are walking in the Spirit and not fulfilling the lust of the flesh then yes, by God's grace we are saved from the torments of the lake of fire in final judgement,

 

[rogerg]

I can see it that way for if we are walking in the Spirit and not fulfilling the lust of the flesh then yes, by God's grace we are saved from the torments of the lake of fire in final judgement,

Sorry for_his_glory, but not sure that I understand your post. Wouldn't it be that if we have been saved,
then we're saved, period, with no further qualifications or strings to it? If it could be lost,
then we couldn't have been saved to begin with, correct?

 

[for_his_glory]

Sorry for_his_glory, but not sure that I understand your post. Wouldn't it be that if we have been saved,
then we're saved, period, with no further qualifications or strings to it? If it could be lost,
then we couldn't have been saved to begin with, correct?

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

We are saved by God's grace through Christ Jesus who is our faith as we follow in His footsteps staying on that narrow path developing that personal relationship with Him. Only those who truly are Hos own will hear Hos voice and follow after Him and no principality can snatch us out of His hands. Those who are truly His own can never be lost.

The only qualification to be Christ own is by God's grace through faith believing in whom He said He is and being obedient to His commands.

 

[rogerg]

The only qualification to be Christ own is by God's grace through faith believing in whom He said He is and being obedient to His commands.

I think I see it in the reverse - that believing, and obeying is as a result or a byproduct of salvation, not cause.
If salvation is dependent upon anything we have to do, then our salvation is dependent upon us and
we are our own saviour, not Christ.

 

[for_his_glory]

I think I see it in the reverse - that believing, and obeying is as a result or a byproduct of salvation, not cause.
If salvation is dependent upon anything we have to do, then our salvation is dependent upon us and
we are our own saviour, not Christ.

Sorry, but there are no byproducts of salvation. but according to these below scriptures believing comes first from the moment we heard the word preached to us and by faith in believing what the word says about who Jesus is then we confess Him as our Lord and Savior as from that moment we learn what His commands are and walk in obedience to them as we begin to develop that personal relationship with Jesus.

Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.


John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

 

[rogerg]

Sorry, but there are no byproducts of salvation. but according to these below scriptures believing comes first from the moment we heard the word preached to us and by faith in believing what the word says about who Jesus is then we confess Him as our Lord and Savior as from that moment we learn what His commands are and walk in obedience to them as we begin to develop that personal relationship with Jesus.

Guess we'll have to disagree then.

 

[for_his_glory]

Guess we'll have to disagree then.

There are five requirements to Salvation, but yet all done at the same time. These are not by-products of salvation, but what is required in order to be called a child of God.

1. Confession - Acts 2:21; Romans 10:9, 10

2. Repentance - Mark 1:14, 15

3. Faith - John 3:14-18

4. Regeneration - John 3:3-8

5. Holy Scripture - 2 Timothy 3:15


Could you explain what these so called by-products are that you speak about as maybe I am misunderstanding you.

 

[rogerg]

There are five requirements to Salvation, but yet all done at the same time. These are not by-products of salvation, but what is required in order to be called a child of God.

1. Confession - Acts 2:21; Romans 10:9, 10

2. Repentance - Mark 1:14, 15

3. Faith - John 3:14-18

4. Regeneration - John 3:3-8

5. Holy Scripture - 2 Timothy 3:15


Could you explain what these so called by-products are that you speak about as maybe I am misunderstanding you.

that which you listed above are gifts that come from salvation, but they do not bring salvation.

[Heb 6:9 KJV]
9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

The "so-called" by-products are the fruit of the Spirit. You can look it up in the Bible for specifics. That fruit is given to someone when the Spirit is given from the new birth, not for the new birth.

Also, please notice that faith is one of the fruits

 

[brightfame52]

rogerg

I think I see it in the reverse - that believing, and obeying is as a result or a byproduct of salvation, not cause.

And you see it correctly ! Gospel obedience is the fruit of Salvation, not the cause !

If salvation is dependent upon anything we have to do, then our salvation is dependent upon us and
we are our own saviour, not Christ.

Amen, that would be salvation by works, which is totally against the Truth !

 

[brightfame52]

The Captain of our Salvation !

The every man in Heb 2:9 who Jesus tasted death for, are the same by His taste of death in Vs 10 became to them and them only, the Captain of their Salvation!

Heb 2:9-10

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings [His Death].

To be the Captain of their Salvation also describes the fact that He was and is 100% responsible for their Salvation. God made it His responsibility to save them and consequently bring them to Glory.

This coincides with Jesus words in Jn 17:2

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

It also fulfills what Isaiah wrote Isa 9:6

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

The government of the Salvation of His People is upon His shoulders!

This speaks of His Spiritual rule, prince hood. In fact that word Captain in Heb 2:10 also means Prince Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

So His tasting Death was for the Salvation of His People, you can't separate His Death from Salvation !2

 

[brightfame52]

We know that the every man in Heb 2:9 that Christ by the Grace of God, tasted death for, wasn't every individual without exception, because His death was a manifestation of Gods Grace towards them, and so by His death they are Justified by His Grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Heb 2:9

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Those He died for are Justified by His Death/Blood Rom 5:9 !
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood or Death, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

And we know everyman individually is not Justified !

 

[electedbyhim]

rogerg



And you see it correctly ! Gospel obedience is the fruit of Salvation, not the cause !



Amen, that would be salvation by works, which is totally against the Truth !

Well said.

 

[brightfame52]

By Death delivered from Death.

We know that Christ didnt taste Death for all individuals without exception since those He tasted Death for are by His Death delivered from Death and the fear of Death Heb 2:9,14-15

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

Those who Christ tasted death for have been set free from the death the devil brought about!2

 

[brightfame52]

The death of Christ for those He tasted death for Heb 2:9 it delivered them from #1 Death, #2 the Devil, #3 Hell, #4 Gods Wrath. So how can we testify to the death of Christ and its accomplishments, if any for He tasted death for die in their sins and experience for eternity Gods Wrath ?

 

[brightfame52]

Yes Christ did taste death for every man just as Heb 2:9 states, and for every man He tasted death for, by it He became the Captain of their Salvation Heb 2:9-10

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

The every man in Vs 9 is the their in Vs 10 !

Christ is the Captain of their Salvation via His suffering unto death for them. See the death of Christ effects the full Salvation of all for whom He died or tasted death for. This means if any man is never saved or comes into the realization of their Salvation, then its impossible for Christ to have tasted death for them, lest we conclude that His death was ineffectual to that end.3

 

[brightfame52]

If we would understand the ramifications of Christ having tasted death, we would understand that it could not have been for every man without exception. Heb 2:9

But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

The word taste

1. to taste, to try the flavour of
2. to taste
   1. i.e. perceive the flavour of, partake of, enjoy
   2. to feel, make trial of, experience
3. to take food, eat, to take nourishment, eat

See He experienced death in behalf of every man He died for. The death He experienced is the death they incurred as the wages of their sins Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Rom 5:12

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

So these whom He tasted / experience death in their behalf, are fully exonerated/discharged from having to experience it for themselves, as the wages for their sins. Death for them has been abolished 2 Tim 1:10

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Thats a key element in constituting Him Our Saviour, abolishing death for us by tasting death for us.

Its not possible for Christ to have tasted death for an individual and it didn't for that individual abolish death. That would be a detriment to His accomplishment and Him being the Saviour.

Many will have to go into the second death Rev 21:8

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death

Therefore Christ could not have tasted death and abolished death on their behalf.