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Tattoos 'just part of our society'; among Christians 'it is open'.

farouk said:
Grazer: Oh okay; Jeffrey Bethke isn't you, then...

I guess the same passage in Leviticus also says about men not shaving the corners of their beards. Ceremonial law for Jews?
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No but I am looking to do similar videos just need a computer that works lol
 
farouk said:
questdriven:

Okay.

I wondered, what did you mean about her not being 'open to it'? You mean, not open to the idea of her getting one herself?

Or did you mean, not open to you getting one? because she must know you are an adult, and over 18s technically don't need a parental signature at the parlor, right?

(But anyway you might want a temp as opposed to doing it with a real machine with an inking needle for reasons other than your mom.)

Blessings.
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I know she's against tattoos. Or used to be, anyway. I guess it's possible her opinion has changed somewhat.
I don't think I need anything to cause further division between me and her right now, anyway.

I'd prefer a temporary one because most of the things I can think of I wouldn't want on my skin permanently. If I came up with something totally awesome, then maybe. Pain would also be a factor.
Also, some employers don't like tattoos, so that might make it harder to get a job.


Tattoos do seem to be largely accepted now, in any case. Some of my friends and even some of the people at my church have a tattoo or two.
 
Grazer said:
Possibly, depends on what the questions are
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Grazer:

I think, for example: placements; the potentials of faith based designs in witness; the improving quality of tattoo inks; gender distribution & history; would all be important and worthwhile aspects for you to analyze and discuss.

(Sounds good?)

They are a very big subject, with all sorts of avenues and subsections, really.

If you do go further into the topic, you may find it becomes very absorbing and interesting from both aesthetic and also historic point of views.
 
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questdriven said:
I know she's against tattoos. Or used to be, anyway. I guess it's possible her opinion has changed somewhat.
I don't think I need anything to cause further division between me and her right now, anyway.

I'd prefer a temporary one because most of the things I can think of I wouldn't want on my skin permanently. If I came up with something totally awesome, then maybe. Pain would also be a factor.
Also, some employers don't like tattoos, so that might make it harder to get a job.


Tattoos do seem to be largely accepted now, in any case. Some of my friends and even some of the people at my church have a tattoo or two.
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Hi questdriven:

Okay ty.

Well, you must know your mom best, but anyway, you may find that for a variety of reasons (including the fact that you're the age when you no longer need to ask her permission) she might have either, like you say, changed her opinion somewhat about tattoos, or else, altered the way she would have discussed the matter with you when you were a kid, compared to now that you are a woman. (I guess, comparably, she also changed a bit about Christian hard rock, since she was willing to buy you a Stryper CD, or whatever the band was.)

"If I came up with something totally awesome, then maybe." Sounds like you haven't closed your mind to doing a permanent one eventually, anyway, and like you say there may be one among the awesome and cool designs that there are, that you will know that you like.

It's a bit like self-discovery, really. Learning what you really, really like. (As you discovered with Christian hard rock, really, I suppose.)

Pain: well, these days there are numbing agents, so this aspect need not put you off. You could look up drnumb dot com , for example or other sites.

Sounds like you want to consider placements that you would be able to cover, maybe, if the job aspect might be relevant. (Actually even people who work in local banks have visible tattoos, in our area, so I guess employers are getting more flexible.)

'Tattoos do seem to be largely accepted now, in any case.' Well, exactly. And maybe you yourself will get to accept the idea as well, as far as you are concerned, if like you say an awesome design, maybe tastefully faith related, appeals to you.

'Some of my friends and even some of the people at my church have a tattoo or two.' Sounds like some of them have more than one. Be warned; they can be addictive in a very nice and benign way. Like, do your friends tell you how they feel about theirs?

Blessings.
 
farouk said:
Grazer: Oh okay; Jeffrey Bethke isn't you, then...

I guess the same passage in Leviticus also says about men not shaving the corners of their beards. Ceremonial law for Jews?
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This law was about the practice of mourning over the loss of a loved one in a violent, self abusive manner that was characteristic of the pagan nations at that time. It was common to cut themselves in grief, pull out their beards and hair during the mourning period, and get tattoo's in the dead's honor. That is what the passage is speaking about. Most people when they say you observe the "Law" why don't you grow a beard and your hair then and mockingly use that as an example of one commandment one should follow then if they are doing so. The problem with that argument is one could always cut their hair or shave their beards. If one took a Nazirite vow, they could not take a razor to their head during the course of the vow. After the vow was done, they could then shave their heads according to the instructions on Nazirite vows. So by implication, one could choose to cut their hair or beards. It just couldn't be done in a manner that reflected the pagan traditions in that day. That's my understanding anyways. The Levitical Laws were meant to completely set apart the Israelites from all the pagan customs and traditions of that day. They were not to be of the world. Which takes me to tattoo's...

There are instances of God "marking" man in the bible beginning with Cain. What kind of a mark was it? I don't know. God also instructed for Abraham and his descendants to be circumcised. Is that a cut, or cutting? Yes, but it is God's instructions. I have not come across of any type of tattooing or cutting that is instructed by God, other then the ones he directs.

Tattooing has pagan origins and was never accepted as a common practice amongst any believers until very recently. I believe tattoo's are an attempt to still have that one foot into the door of the world, yet saying no, no, no I'm set apart and I do this as an expression of my faith. God calls us to be set apart from the world, but how can this occur when one gets tattoo's that is clearly a practice of the world? I believe there are to many question marks in the bible about this practice for it to be OK with for other believers to support other believers in doing so. Even excluding Leviticus 19. Is this a practice that will set apart a believer from the rest of the believing world? God calls us to be set apart.

Romans 12:2 "And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect."

...but maybe that is the old fashioned morals that is still ingrained in me.
 
farouk said:
Hi questdriven:

Okay ty.

Well, you must know your mom best, but anyway, you may find that for a variety of reasons (including the fact that you're the age when you no longer need to ask her permission) she might have either, like you say, changed her opinion somewhat about tattoos, or else, altered the way she would have discussed the matter with you when you were a kid, compared to now that you are a woman. (I guess, comparably, she also changed a bit about Christian hard rock, since she was willing to buy you a Stryper CD, or whatever the band was.)

"If I came up with something totally awesome, then maybe." Sounds like you haven't closed your mind to doing a permanent one eventually, anyway, and like you say there may be one among the awesome and cool designs that there are, that you will know that you like.

It's a bit like self-discovery, really. Learning what you really, really like. (As you discovered with Christian hard rock, really, I suppose.)

Pain: well, these days there are numbing agents, so this aspect need not put you off. You could look up drnumb dot com , for example or other sites.

Sounds like you want to consider placements that you would be able to cover, maybe, if the job aspect might be relevant. (Actually even people who work in local banks have visible tattoos, in our area, so I guess employers are getting more flexible.)

'Tattoos do seem to be largely accepted now, in any case.' Well, exactly. And maybe you yourself will get to accept the idea as well, as far as you are concerned, if like you say an awesome design, maybe tastefully faith related, appeals to you.

'Some of my friends and even some of the people at my church have a tattoo or two.' Sounds like some of them have more than one. Be warned; they can be addictive in a very nice and benign way. Like, do your friends tell you how they feel about theirs?

Blessings.
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Haven't really asked my friends about that. Just noticed them, or saw them.

When I went to the doctor the other day (for an ear ache), one of the EMT students who checked my vital signs had tattoos on one of his arms. So likely employers are becoming more open about visible tattoos.
 
questdriven said:
Haven't really asked my friends about that. Just noticed them, or saw them.

When I went to the doctor the other day (for an ear ache), one of the EMT students who checked my vital signs had tattoos on one of his arms. So likely employers are becoming more open about visible tattoos.
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questdriven:

Hope you are feeling better now, btw.

As Debbie, qu. in the OP, said, tattoos are 'just part of our society' now, right? If not absolutely fully, then very increasingly.

You are right as well when you say 'likely employers are becoming more open about visible tattoos'. So is this trend among employers something you would kind of welcome? :)

Blessings.
 
farouk said:
questdriven:

Hope you are feeling better now, btw.

As Debbie, qu. in the OP, said, tattoos are 'just part of our society' now, right? If not absolutely fully, then very increasingly.

You are right as well when you say 'likely employers are becoming more open about visible tattoos'. So is this trend among employers something you would kind of welcome? :)

Blessings.
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I suppose so.

I'd think an employer's objections with tattoos would be largely connected to the public's general perception of them. So, if tattoos are likely to deter business, they might not accept someone with tattoos as an employee.
But as this becomes more socially acceptable, this is not as big an issue.
 
Ryan:

Romans 12.2 is a great and vitally important verse. I guess from a cultural and geographical and historical point of view, how this exactly relates to specific people at specific times is likely to vary.

For example, a lot of Christians get tasteful faith related tattoos with the definite and intended wish for them to a witness talking point.

Blessings.
 
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questdriven:

Re. employers, I'm sure you're right.

Anyway, if you check out the ref. to the site about the numbing agent, you'll see that the pain issue need no longer be an issue (if this assures you a little?)

Blessings.
 
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farouk said:
Grazer:

I think, for example: placements; the potentials of faith based designs in witness; the improving quality of tattoo inks; gender distribution & history; would all be important and worthwhile aspects for you to analyze and discuss.

(Sounds good?)

They are a very big subject, with all sorts of avenues and subsections, really.

If you do go further into the topic, you may find it becomes very absorbing and interesting from both aesthetic and also historic point of views.
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Sounds very good :)
 
farouk said:
Grazer:

Maybe you have a few ideas already about some of these aspects of the subject?

(Another sub-section could be hygiene and cleanliness in parlors.)
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It's not something I've given that much thought to until now beyond possibly getting one myself :)
 
PS, from previously

AirDancer said:
Tatts on all age groups & both genders isn't surprising at all. Socially and culturally in the US, getting ink no longer is such the taboo as it once was. There was a great-grandmother at a former church who had a delightful butterfly on her ankle; she was in her late 80s, still sharp & driving, and was talking about getting additional tatts. A delightful and dedicated Christian woman, she was remarkable.
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AD:

Yes, well, like you say, many Christian women do feel going under the tattoo machine for some tasteful ink is indeed a delightful thing to do, anyway.
 
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