Temple of God

[Titus]

There is only one Messiah in Islam, and he is Jesus. I doubt you would believe him false.

But the problem is , just as many within christedom preach another jesus
so too does the muslim religion .
And another jesus cannot save you or anyone .
YE must BELEIVE in the ONE TRUE CHRIST JESUS
and that JESUS would have us to follow no other religion and no other jesus .
JUST HE ALONE .

 

[Titus]

Muslims only see Muhammad as their Messiah and Jesus only as a prophet. Here are the differences between the two of them.

Differences Between Muhammad and Jesus​
Muhammad...​	Jesus...​
Said Allah hates those who don't accept Islam. (Qur'an 30:4, 3:32, 22:38)​	Said God loves everyone. (John 3:16)​
"I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah" (Muslim 1:33)​	"He who lives by the sword will die by the sword." (Matthew 26:52)​
Stoned women for adultery. (Muslim 4206)​	"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." (John 8:7)​
Permitted stealing from unbelievers. (Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)​	"Thou shalt not steal." (Matthew 19:18)​
Permitted lying. (Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)​	"Thou shalt not bear false witness." (Matthew 19:18)​
Owned and traded slaves. (Sahih Muslim 3901)​	Neither owned nor traded slaves.​
Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys. (Sahih Muslim 4390)​	Beheaded no one.​
Murdered those who insulted him. (Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)​	Preached forgiveness. (Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)​
"If then anyone transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him" (Qur'an 2:194)​	"If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." (Matthew 5:39)​
Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold. (Muslim 4645)​	"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called Sons of God" (Matthew 5:9)​
Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves. (Bukhari 5:268, Qur'an 33:50)​	Was celibate.​
Slept with a 9-year-old child. (Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)​	Did not have sex with children.​
Ordered the murder of women. (Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)​	Never harmed a woman.​
"O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness." (Qur'an 9:123)​	"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth." (Matthew 5:5)​
Ordered 65 military campaigns and raids in his last 10 years. (Ibn Ishaq )​	Ordered no military campaigns, nor offered any approval of war or violence.​
Killed captives taken in battle. (Ibn Ishaq 451)​	Never took captives. Never killed anyone.​
Encouraged his men to rape enslaved women. (Abu Dawood 2150, Qur'an 4:24)​	Never encouraged rape. Never enslaved women.​
Demanded captured slaves and a fifth of all other loot taken in war. (Qur'an 8:41)​	"The Son of Man came not to be served, but to serve." (Matthew 20:28)​
Was never tortured, but tortured others. (Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764)​	Suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.​
"And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah" (Qur'an 8:39)​	"Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" (Matthew 5:44)​
Blessed the brutal murder of a half-blind man (al-Tabari 1440)​	Healed a blind man (Mark 8:28)​
Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit from which he preached Islam. (Bukhari 47:743)​	Washed his disciple’s feet. (John 13:5)​
What are the Greatest Commandments? "Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause" (Muslim 1:149)​	What are the Greatest Commandments? "Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself." (Matthew 22:34-40)​
Demanded the protection of armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship (Qur'an 4:102)​	Chastised anyone attempting to defend him with force. (John 18:10-12)​
Died fat and wealthy from what was taken from others in war or demanded from others in tribute.​	Demanded nothing for himself Died without possessions.​
Advocated crucifying others. (Qur'an 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)​	Was crucified himself.​
According to his followers: Had others give their lives for him. (Sahih Muslim 4413)​	According to his followers: Gave his life for others. (John 18:11 and elsewhere)​

and thus its another jesus they follow as does many even within christedom .
WHEN DID JESUS ever teach the prosperity name and claim it and heap and store it up . We have us many preaching another jesus.

 

[Niblo]

But the problem is , just as many within christedom preach another jesus
so too does the muslim religion .
And another jesus cannot save you or anyone .
YE must BELEIVE in the ONE TRUE CHRIST JESUS
and that JESUS would have us to follow no other religion and no other jesus .
JUST HE ALONE .

My sole purpose here is merely to point out that Islam identifies only Jesus as the Messiah. Peace and blessings be upon him.

In Islam - as you know - Jesus has no power to save anyone. That power belongs only to God (Exalted is He); and Jesus is not God.

That you disagree is perfectly understandable; after all, you are not a Muslim!

 

[Niblo]

Then allow me to ask you this , if you claim JESUS as only the messiah
then why follow the muslim religon and why not learn JESUS and follow HIM .
Just as in our own christain religion most folks can claim HIM as messiah
but their heart is far , far from HIM . They love money , power , wealth
and this false version of an all inclusive love which no longer states
that one must confess JESUS as LORD to be saved.
Many nations have not changed their gods , yet christendom
has turned the glory of GOD into something else .
My advice is , learn JESUS well . Flee the muslim religion and simply
pick up the bible for yourself , cause woe woe woe many of our own leaders
will decieve you , and you just learn JESUS for yourself .

I was a Christian for more than sixty years. I began to study Islam when my son became a Muslim, some sixteen years ago. Moving away from Christianity was a very difficult, and painful, process. I remember, only too well, speaking to Jesus, and apologising (in tears) that I could no longer - in all conscience - think of him as once I did. It was, as I say, very hard to move away; but - for me - it was the right thing to do.

I follow Islam because I believe it to be true. Most of my family remain Christians - of various denominations - because they believe that Christianity is true. In the course of my 76 years I have known - and loved - many fine Christians; folk who were living examples of what it is to be a Christian. I have no doubt that they will have their reward; after all, the Beloved - in the Qur'an - promises Heaven to those Christians (and Jews) who believe in Him, and who do good works. This is the Beloved's promise, and He does not renege on His promises.

Peace and blessings be on you.

 

[Titus]

My sole purpose here is merely to point out that Islam identifies only Jesus as the Messiah. Peace and blessings be upon him.

In Islam - as you know - Jesus has no power to save anyone. That power belongs only to God (Exalted is He); and Jesus is not God.

That you disagree is perfectly understandable; after all, you are not a Muslim!

We cant follow another jesus . I fear for your soul .
The absolute most fearful thing to hear said on the last day
will be , depart from ME i never knew you .
Come to Christ my friend and get dug into that bible . I will pray for you .

 

[Titus]

I was a Christian for more than sixty years. I began to study Islam when my son became a Muslim, some sixteen years ago. Moving away from Christianity was a very difficult, and painful, process. I remember, only too well, speaking to Jesus, and apologising (in tears) that I could no longer - in all conscience - think of him as once I did. It was, as I say, very hard to move away; but - for me - it was the right thing to do.

I follow Islam because I believe it to be true. Most of my family remain Christians - of various denominations - because they believe that Christianity is true. In the course of my 76 years I have known - and loved - many fine Christians; folk who were living examples of what it is to be a Christian. I have no doubt that they will have their reward; after all, the Beloved - in the Qur'an - promises Heaven to those Christians (and Jews) who believe in Him, and who do good works. This is the Beloved's promise, and He does not renege on His promises.

Peace and blessings be on you.

The testimony that GOD himself gives is of His SON CHRIST JESUS .
You are not saved my friend , but in grave danger .
Come to the glorious light of the gospel and believe in Christ .

 

[Niblo]

We cant follow another jesus . I fear for your soul .
The absolute most fearful thing to hear said on the last day
will be , depart from ME i never knew you .
Come to Christ my friend and get dug into that bible . I will pray for you .

And I will pray for you. That you remain true to your Faith; and that the Beloved will continue to bless you - and all you love - and to bring you, and them, ever closer to Himself.

 

[Titus]

And I will pray for you. That you remain true to your Faith; and that the Beloved will continue to bless you - and all you love - and to bring you, and them, ever closer to Himself.

I have a strong suspiscion you believe in what is known as the all inclusive religion .
That means all paths lead to God and so long as one has good works
it dont matter what religion they followed they are saved .
That comes and came right from Rome itself and second vatican .
It is false . I notice that it seems that many are going in this direction .
Its like an end time delusion that is to gather all to find common ground and be as one
But its false . They all are uniting under what they think is the will and plan of GOD
only really they are gathering under the very delusion spoken of that was to come .
You aint the only muslim i have talked too . I talked to one in person
and was telling him about Christ and all he said was , We are worshipping the same
GOD in different ways . This is not true at all .
But it is the fastest growing religon i have ever seen .
You would be amazed at how many christains so called
even now believe this lie , as well as buddists , new agers
muslims , jews . This is one fast moving delusion .
The only way to come to GOD is by Faith in Christ . That is it my friend .
FAITH IN CHRIST . God draws us to the SON and the SON reveals
GOD unto us . THERE is no other plan or hope of salvation .

 

[Niblo]

I have a strong suspiscion you believe in what is known as the all inclusive religion .
That means all paths lead to God and so long as one has good works
it dont matter what religion they followed they are saved .
That comes and came right from Rome itself and second vatican .
It is false . I notice that it seems that many are going in this direction .
Its like an end time delusion that is to gather all to find common ground and be as one
But its false . They all are uniting under what they think is the will and plan of GOD
only really they are gathering under the very delusion spoken of that was to come .
You aint the only muslim i have talked too . I talked to one in person
and was telling him about Christ and all he said was , We are worshipping the same
GOD in different ways . This is not true at all .
But it is the fastest growing religon i have ever seen .
You would be amazed at how many christains so called
even now believe this lie , as well as buddists , new agers
muslims , jews . This is one fast moving delusion .
The only way to come to GOD is by Faith in Christ . That is it my friend .
FAITH IN CHRIST . God draws us to the SON and the SON reveals
GOD unto us . THERE is no other plan or hope of salvation .

If this is what you believe, then live accordingly. Nothing more can be asked of you.

 

[for_his_glory]

My sole purpose here is merely to point out that Islam identifies only Jesus as the Messiah. Peace and blessings be upon him.

In Islam - as you know - Jesus has no power to save anyone. That power belongs only to God (Exalted is He); and Jesus is not God.

That you disagree is perfectly understandable; after all, you are not a Muslim!

Maybe you would like to start a new thread on this in the Theology forum as none of this has anything to do with the OP. I would look forward to discussing this with you.

 

[for_his_glory]

Let us get back to the topic of the OP. Niblo please start a new thread on this in the Theology forum as further post on this will be deleted as being off topic. Thank you.

 

[DavidT]

The thread is asking a trick question.

There are two types of temples mentioned in God's Word.

The first was about the temple built in Solomon's day, the 1st temple. The 2nd temple was the rebuild after a remnant of the house of Judah returned to Jerusalem post-Babylon captivity. A 3rd temple is pointed to in Bible prophecy for the end of this world, per Revelation 11:1-2 and 2 Thessalonians 2:4. Both of those future temple examples is about rebuilt literal Jewish temple in Jerusalem when the orthodox Jews start up sacrifices again for the end.

The spiritual temple with Christ as it's Cornerstone, with the Apostles and prophets in its foundation, and us, Christ's Church as lively stones in it, is the other 'type' of temple per The New Testament. DO NOT ALLOW MAN TO DECEIVE YOU ABOUT THIS SPIRITUAL TEMPLE, BECAUSE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANYONE TO CORRUPT.

If the 'spiritual temple' with Christ as its Cornerstone could be corruption by the Antichrist, then it would mean our Lord Jesus has no real power against the devil, and can easily lose to the devil. Is that the kind of idea we read in God's Word? No! of course not.

Why do some then falsely teach that there will be no physical temple built again in Jerusalem for false worship? It because the devil does not want the world to know that is exactly what he is planning for Jerusalem at the very end, thus deceiving the unbelieving Jews. Today's orthodox Jews still reject Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ, so they still believe they are under the Old Covenant, and a temple and sacrifices are still required. And... they already have all the materials ready to build their 3rd temple in Jerusalem.

 

[for_his_glory]

The thread is asking a trick question.

I am not asking a trick question, but speaking about a literal Temple and a Spiritual Temple. There is no deception when you understand what Rev 11:1-2 is talking about.

This temple is not a literal temple that John is to measure as there never will be a third one built as the temple mount will never be given back to the Jews and here is the reason why. Jerusalem has been destroyed twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times all because Israel never repented of their sin of idolatry when they were allowed back into their land again in 538 BC after their seventy year Babylonian exile and the land fell under the leader of the Roman Empire that still has diplomatic ties with Jerusalem today.

When the second temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. by the Romans other Roman temples were built there and destroyed during various revolts up to the fourth century. From the fourth century the temple mount laid undeveloped until the Muslim Siege of Jerusalem in 637 CE. Between 689-691 CE the Muslims built the Dome of the Rock which stands today, but now under renovations that have to do with the prophecy of the son of perdition in 2 Thessalonians 2:2-4 and the great falling away before the return of Jesus.

John was to measure the Spiritual temple of God as being those who are truly in Christ through the Spiritual rebirth that worship Him in all truths, John 3:3-7, which make up the temple of God as being the body of Christ. The symbolic here represents God separating and protecting His people. The temple of God is no longer made by hand since the veil of the temple was torn from top to bottom, Matthew 27:50, 51; Acts 7:48-51. The temple of God is within man that has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that keeps himself undefiled before the Lord, Matthew 27:51; Mark 7:15-23; 1 Corinthians 3:16, 17.

The outer court represents that of the control the Gentiles (Revived Roman Empire) will once again have over the Holy city like that of 70AD as they take full control over Jerusalem and trampled it for 3 ½ years at the sounding of the seventh trumpet as we will see history repeat itself. Matthew 24:21 Jesus said this will be the worst tribulation there has ever been nor will ever be again.

During this time once again the Roman Empire will take control of the temple mount in Jerusalem as a New World Order is even now being set up that will be one single world government of economic, political and religious power. They will bring back the sacrifices in the last part of the three and a half years or at the end of Daniels seventy week vision in Daniel chapter 9.

This sacrifice they make is not the sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin, but will be a sacrifice in that of persecuting Christians to death as they refuse to bow down to this Nebuchadnezzar type system. It’s like that of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego in Daniel Chapter 3 as they refused to bow down and worship the idols of Baal and God rescued them from the fire. The fulfillment of the times of the Gentile is that of the Gentiles that will not repent as they fulfill the prophecy of the beast and the false prophet that are thrown into the lake of fire with Satan at Gods final judgment.


Daniels first half of the 70 weeks:

First Advent of Messiah:

From rebuilding the Temple to Messiah birth. This was Ezra rebuilding the literal Temple, but also prophetic of the Spiritual Temple making it ready for Messiah to return.

Daniels sixty nine weeks are four hundred and eighty three Solar years (Daniel 9:25). Seven weeks of years was forty nine years rebuilding Jerusalem around 457B.C. (Ezra 7:11-26; 9:9). Sixty two weeks of years was the period of time leading up to Messiah the Prince in the beginning of his ministry in 27A.D. up to the crucifixion in 31A.D, (Daniel 9:26). From the cross to the second advent of Messiah’s return was a prophetic gap being the present Church age (Gentiles) which was a mystery not revealed to Daniel, Ephesians 3:4-10.

Daniel's second half of the 70th week:

The second advent of Messiah is from the time of Christ ministry to the cross. There are seven Lunar years of great tribulations as described in Daniel 7:13, 14; 9:26, 27;

12:1 and the outline of Matthew Chapter 24. A peace treaty between Israel and the one who is to come (son of perdition) will fall in the last week of Daniels seventy weeks.


This is just a small summary that explains the temple and the holy city. It’s an in-depth study that is very relevant to the end times before Christ returns.

Daniel gives six major events that characterize the four hundred ninety years.

1. To finish the transgression - Israel's rejection of Messiah (Jesus) as Israel is brought to restoration at the time of the second coming.

2. To put an end to sin - The sins of National Israel will not be forgiven until the deliver comes out of Zion and a new covenant is given to them.

3. Made reconciliation for iniquity - Life, death an Resurrection we are now reconciled through the blood of Christ as the final sacrifice

4. To bring in everlasting righteousness - This is when the Lord Jesus Christ returns to the earth and set up His kingdom.

5. Seal up the vision and prophecy - This will be the time when all prophecy is fulfilled and the Lord Jesus Christ will be Lord of Lord and King of Kings.

6. Anoint the Most Holy - The Lord Jesus Christ will be anointed when the temple is cleansed at the end of the 2520 days when He returns.


Daniel 8:14 and he said unto me, unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

This is the full 70 weeks which end with the return of Christ when the kingdoms of this world will finally be the kingdoms of our Lord, Revelation 11:14, 15. (Notice the second woe is past and all events that take place during the seventh trumpet come quickly)​

 

[DavidT]

I am not asking a trick question, but speaking about a literal Temple and a Spiritual Temple. There is no deception when you understand what Rev 11:1-2 is talking about.

Well, yes, the one who began this thread and set only 2 options results in it being a trick question.

The reason, is because in God's Word the idea of the 'temple' is spoken of in the literal building sense, and also by Christ in the metaphorical sense about His 'human' body.

So to pick one, you'd be denying the other, creating a Biblical conundrum.

 

[for_his_glory]

Well, yes, the one who began this thread and set only 2 options results in it being a trick question.

The reason, is because in God's Word the idea of the 'temple' is spoken of in the literal building sense, and also by Christ in the metaphorical sense about His 'human' body.

So to pick one, you'd be denying the other, creating a Biblical conundrum.

I'm sorry, but I am the one who created this thread. In the poll I asked whether the Temple of God was a literal building or is it within man. If you would have read my OP you would see where I described the literal and Spiritual temples as I do not believe in a third literal Temple to be built before the return of Christ on the last day.

 

[DavidT]

I'm sorry, but I am the one who created this thread. In the poll I asked whether the Temple of God was a literal building or is it within man. If you would have read my OP you would see where I described the literal and Spiritual temples as I do not believe in a third literal Temple to be built before the return of Christ on the last day.

I do believe there will be a 3rd literal Jewish temple built in Jerusalem for the end, because the prophecy in Daniel 9:27 and Daniel 11 about the "vile person" (i.e, Antichrist) requires it. And Lord Jesus' warning of a coming pseudo-Christ at the end placing that "abomination of desolation" involves a standing temple in Jerusalem per the Book of Daniel. Also Revelation 11:1-2 is showing a standing temple in Jerusalem when God's two witnesses prophesy for 1260 days against the beast at the end.

Thus I see God's written Word overwhelmingly pointing to a 3rd built Jewish temple in Jerusalem for the end of this world prior to Christ's 2nd coming.

 

[for_his_glory]

I do believe there will be a 3rd literal Jewish temple built in Jerusalem for the end, because the prophecy in Daniel 9:27 and Daniel 11 about the "vile person" (i.e, Antichrist) requires it. And Lord Jesus' warning of a coming pseudo-Christ at the end placing that "abomination of desolation" involves a standing temple in Jerusalem per the Book of Daniel. Also Revelation 11:1-2 is showing a standing temple in Jerusalem when God's two witnesses prophesy for 1260 days against the beast at the end.

Thus I see God's written Word overwhelmingly pointing to a 3rd built Jewish temple in Jerusalem for the end of this world prior to Christ's 2nd coming.

First, what would be the purpose of a third Temple as God no longer dwells in Temples made by hand as the Temple of God is within us who are indwelled with His Holy Spirit, 1 Corinthians 3:16, Acts 7:49.

Second, the Muslims will never give over the Doom of the Rock to the Jews.

 

[DavidT]

First, what would be the purpose of a third Temple as God no longer dwells in Temples made by hand as the Temple of God is within us who are indwelled with His Holy Spirit, 1 Corinthians 3:16, Acts 7:49.

Second, the Muslims will never give over the Doom of the Rock to the Jews.

I have seen that line of reasoning many times before, and it does not come from God's written Word. I have already referred to the several Scripture examples that gives evidence for a 3rd final Jewish temple that must be built to fulfill prophecy for the end, prophecy that Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse, and that linked to prophesy in Daniel about the "abomination of desolation" that Lord Jesus quoted for the end, and also Revelation 11:1-2 which reveals a standing temple in Jerusalem during the time of God's two witnesses. But you failed to address any of that.

So really, who are you?

 

[eddif]

First, what would be the purpose of a third Temple as God no longer dwells in Temples made by hand as the Temple of God is within us who are indwelled with His Holy Spirit, 1 Corinthians 3:16, Acts 7:49.

I agree.

Of course you sometimes think I am a little ( lot? ) off course. We can use some of the physical aspects of the physical temple to understand the temple we are, but the little posting about that has not been accepted very well.. No complete shut down. Maybe if I sealed what I have to say in symbolism? So hidden it just sounds like gibberish? No that is not it. Do we have a forum for way out there thoughts? Not that I think the thoughts are extreme, but others seem to think they are. Disclaimer area?

We are the temple. The hidden man of the heart is very precious to God.

eddif

 

[for_his_glory]

I agree.

Of course you sometimes think I am a little ( lot? ) off course. We can use some of the physical aspects of the physical temple to understand the temple we are, but the little posting about that has not been accepted very well.. No complete shut down. Maybe if I sealed what I have to say in symbolism? So hidden it just sounds like gibberish? No that is not it. Do we have a forum for way out there thoughts? Not that I think the thoughts are extreme, but others seem to think they are. Disclaimer area?

We are the temple. The hidden man of the heart is very precious to God.

eddif

I would never think you are off course as you are one who questions and gathers information as you present in your own thoughts and understandings as this makes for healthy discussions. Physical and symbolic go hand in hand in order to understand the literal things in the Temple made by hand and now represent the Spiritual Temple within us.