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Temporal Salvation?
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I think the word "received" is the determining factor whether or not one merely received the knowledge of the Gospel or also that which it imparts (salvation). If we continue to willfully sin it confirms we only heard (received) the knowledge but did not believe it.
Gill - "After that we have received the knowledge of the truth; either of Jesus Christ, or of the Scriptures, or of the Gospel, or of some particular doctrine, especially the principal one, salvation by Christ; of which there may be a notional knowledge, when there is no experimental knowledge; and which is received not into the heart, but into the head."
Hebrews 10 Bible Commentary - John Gill’s Exposition of the Bible
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Who is the writer speaking to in this chapter?
Is not "to stand your ground" a warning not to fall as others have?
In the final verse of the chapter, the writer says "But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who believe and are saved"
In the beginning, chapter 2, he talks about not to drift away, no mention of losing one's salvation.
So, in the beginning he says we are not to drift away and in the end he says we are the ones who believe and are saved.
In the middle you find a chapter that you think tells us we can lose our salvation.
I say that is what happens to unbelievers who pose as believers.
Those who are saved in the end are not part of the same people who are falling into hell in the middle.
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It does not say they were saved for a while.
You just added that because your reasoning is weak.
Many people have believed in Jesus in various degrees and it never went past the head, it never reached their hearts.
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why the name of this post is temporary salvation is beyond me. for one he promised us ETERNAL LIFE not temporary. our salvation is very secure it is kept by the power of God . for one to be in a place that there eternity was a t stake. they would have to become a apostate
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amazing how we take a scripture and turn it into a doctrine
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Let me make sure I understand you.
Here Paul is addressing people who are under grace.
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? Romans 6:15-16
Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey,
- whether of sin leading to death,
- or of obedience leading to righteousness?
Are you saying a person who is under grace, a Christian who is struggling with sin is unregenerate?
Please help me to understand what you believe.
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Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:12-13
Jesus teaches us the condition for being saved is to believe.
- lest they should believe and be saved.
Do you agree or disagree with Jesus ?
JLB
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Willingly is not in either verse.
It just says sin.
Struggle is the ongoing battle the born again believer who has the indwelling Spirit, engages in to live their life patterned after the desire or will of the Spirit, rather than the lustful desire of the flesh.
For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. Galatians 5:17
For we naturally love to do evil things that are just the opposite from the things that the Holy Spirit tells us to do; and the good things we want to do when the Spirit has his way with us are just the opposite of our natural desires. These two forces within us are constantly fighting each other to win control over us, and our wishes are never free from their pressures. Galatians 5:17 TLB
The way we are instructed to refrain from practicing the works of the flesh, is to walk according to the Spirit.
I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:26-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are:
adultery,
fornication,
uncleanness,
lewdness,
idolatry,
sorcery,
hatred,
contentions,
jealousies,
outbursts of wrath,
selfish ambitions,
dissensions,
heresies,
envy,
murders,
drunkenness,
revelries,
and the like;
This is just a short list of the things your flesh, your physical body desires to gratify itself with.
The WAY Paul instructs us to avoid practicing these sinful works is to walk according to the Spirit.
Only Christians who have the indwelling Holy Spirit can walk in the Spirit.
JLB
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You're talking about a mind belief...
but that is something we Westerners know about.
When the N.T.was written, and when Jesus spoke about BELIEVING in HIM,,,, BELIEVE meant with the heart.
Why would JESUS say that someone believed for a while?
Why would that person receive the word with JOY?
Believing with the mind only does not create joy.
Jesus and John said we must believe to be saved (and all the writers).
Do you think they meant believe with the mind only?
In Luke 8:13 Jesus said they believed FOR A WHILE,,,,
and then fell away.
Fell away from what?
You cannot fall away from something you do not have.
YOU also are bringing your preconceived ideas to this verse.
If you read it simply, you'll find that Jesus is saying we could fall away from believing.
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how do you know they was truly saved?
there is the key there is no indication in the parable they was saved to start with . a word seed cant grow in a stony heart or take root nor can it grow or take root in a hard heart --wayside or among the thorns the worldly trying make believe..but those on the good ground brought forth fruit
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Willingly is just inferred for specificity, because all sins are either willful out of our desire to sin, or unwillful out of a desire not to sin, exemplified by the Paul's use of the word "captive," which is against his desire (Rom 7:23). Thus unbelievers sin willfully and believers unwillfully; none can avoid sinning itself.
I like how you put this, and I have the understanding that our struggle ("wrestle" - Eph 6:12) has nothing to do with being saved, but to that of our peace and growth in Christ, which the "principalities, powers, the rulers of the darkness of this world, and spiritual wickedness in high places" (our old man the most, being the closest enemy) ever attempt to interfere with and delay the strengthening of our faith. The believer cannot loose in salvation, but can be weak in faith and therefore be rendered less useful.
Though we still possess the sin nature (Ro 7:17, 20) we are no longer after (desire) it (Ro 8:9). We are not our sin nature but its opposition keeps us exercised in our faith, esp. concerning the fact that nothing can come between us and God's hand in keeping us. The old man opposes the Spirit and He opposes it, but we are "not in" it, thus He is not opposing us in the new man, which we are.
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Demons believe that Jesus is God .
Are they saved?
Are they saved for a while?
Were they never saved?
You don't have the answers.
So what are you talking about?
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this has become a pick and chose thread. same thing keeps being used no new scriptures . on one hand there seems to be agreement . that belief has to be from the heart beyond that its a go no where post. if you dont play by the rules your ignored lol
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The Gospel message.
Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:12-13
Jesus teaches us the condition for being saved is to believe.
- lest they should believe and be saved.
Do you agree or disagree with Jesus ?
JLB
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I never inferred that Ephesians 6:12 has anything to do with being saved.
Born again Christians you choose to live their life according to the flesh, by practicing the works of the flesh, will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21
- those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Do you agree or disagree with what Paul states here?
The way Paul instructs us to avoid practicing the works of the flesh, is to walk according to the Spirit; to walk in the Spirit.
I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. Galatians 5:16
JLB
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That is a nice thought, but as you can plainly read in the scriptures, that is not what Paul taught, as he warned the churches; ie born again Christians who have the ability to walk in the Spirit, ... that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
That is a direct reference to going to hell.
Undeniable.
JLB