Temporal Salvation?

[Blood Bought 1953]

Someone on this very forum has said exactly what you state above.
And not only here....on other forums too.

.......this would be “ me”......Blood Bought 1953.....No need to be shy about using my name. I can back with Scripture, anything I post here.....God Bless....

 

[netchaplain]

That is a nice thought, but as you can plainly read in the scriptures, that is not what Paul taught, as he warned the churches; ie born again Christians who have the ability to walk in the Spirit, ... that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.


That is a direct reference to going to hell.


Undeniable.


JLB

I see no scriptures depicting believers living after the flesh.

 

[JLB]

I see no scriptures depicting believers living after the flesh.

Thanks for your time.


God bless.



JLB

 

[netchaplain]

Thanks for your time.


God bless.



JLB

I thank the Lord for teaching us to discuss His Word out of His love in us (Eph 4:15).

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I see no scriptures depicting believers living after the flesh.

Here you go...

"1Brothers and sisters, I could not address you as people who live by the Spirit but as people who are still worldly—mere infants in Christ. 2I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. 3You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere humans? 4For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not mere human beings?" - 1 Corinthians 3:1-4

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Demons believe that Jesus is God .
Are they saved?
Are they saved for a while?
Were they never saved?

Do demons receive the word with joy in their believing?

"19You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder." - James 2:19

"13Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away." - Luke 13:8

(Good point wondering)

It's unreasonable that 'believe' is in reference to being saved in vs. 12 but then suddenly is not in vs. 13...

"12Those along the path are the ones who hear, and then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. 13Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away." - Luke 8:12-13

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

Those who are in Christ, must make the choice to walk according to the Spirit, rather than walk according to the flesh.

“Those who are IN CHRIST” are Forever Saved and Secure.....The dilemma for the Christian is that he has Two Natures , whereas before he was “ Born-Again”, he had only ONE.....the “ Adamic” Nature that he inherited at birth ......The Saved Man now has the Holy Spirit in Him also .
According to Paul, these two Natures war against each other and we can’t always do the things that we know we should—- we are doing Battle with Three Foes—- the World , The Flesh and the Devil.....What a challenge we face as Believers! Thank God, we have a “ Helper”, which is the Holy Spirit

A friend of mine described the battle thusly.....Indwelling us is a “ Black Dog” and a “ White Dog”—— the One we choose to “ FEED” is the One that will dominate our lives.....Wise Believers strive to feed the White Dog and reap rewards and Foolish Believers will feed the Black Dog and be chastised for doing so....all part of God’s “ Program to transform us into the image of His Son

Given time, the Holy Spirit will do His part to see that we conform to the Will Of The Father....It can be a smooth Walk Of Faith, or it can be a painful one.God has given us Freedom.Save yourself from Chastisement — feed the good Dog and starve the Bad one.Even during the times of your most blatant failures, rejoice that you are even in this Battle—- the Unsaved man lacks the HolySpirit and never has to worry about Spiritual Warfare, and if one does not have that Holy Spirit Inside Of Him —— They are “ NONE OF HIS”
Get that Holy Spirit by asking for it......then Trust God to do what only He can do - Clean up the “ inside of the cup”.....That is how the White Dog gets the Victory.....God Bless...

 

[netchaplain]

Here you go...

"1Brothers and sisters, I could not address you as people who live by the Spirit but as people who are still worldly—mere infants in Christ. 2I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. 3You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere humans? 4For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not mere human beings?" - 1 Corinthians 3:1-4

These were obviously young believers in Christ ("babes"), who demonstrated their immaturity by the lack of spiritual discernment and judgment in spiritual things, which was the cause for Paul's rebuke. Living after the sin nature is "to be carnally minded" and "is death" (Rom 8:6); and reveals being an unbeliever (unregenerate); which as we know is not the same as being "unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe" (Heb 5:13).

 

[JLB]

“Those who are IN CHRIST” are Forever Saved and Secure.....The dilemma for the Christian is that he has Two Natures , whereas before he was “ Born-Again”, he had only ONE.....the “ Adamic” Nature that he inherited at birth ......The Saved Man now has the Holy Spirit in Him also .
According to Paul, these two Natures war against each other and we can’t always do the things that we know we should—- we are doing Battle with Three Foes—- the World , The Flesh and the Devil.....What a challenge we face as Believers! Thank God, we have a “ Helper”, which is the Holy Spirit

A friend of mine described the battle thusly.....Indwelling us is a “ Black Dog” and a “ White Dog”—— the One we choose to “ FEED” is the One that will dominate our lives.....Wise Believers strive to feed the White Dog and reap rewards and Foolish Believers will feed the Black Dog and be chastised for doing so....all part of God’s “ Program to transform us into the image of His Son

Given time, the Holy Spirit will do His part to see that we conform to the Will Of The Father....It can be a smooth Walk Of Faith, or it can be a painful one.God has given us Freedom.Save yourself from Chastisement — feed the good Dog and starve the Bad one.Even during the times of your most blatant failures, rejoice that you are even in this Battle—- the Unsaved man lacks the HolySpirit and never has to worry about Spiritual Warfare, and if one does not have that Holy Spirit Inside Of Him —— They are “ NONE OF HIS”
Get that Holy Spirit by asking for it......then Trust God to do what only He can do - Clean up the “ inside of the cup”.....That is how the White Dog gets the Victory.....God Bless...

Do you believe a Christian can lie?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

why the name of this post is temporary salvation is beyond me. for one he promised us ETERNAL LIFE not temporary. our salvation is very secure it is kept by the power of God .

Let's read...

"10And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy." - Hebrews 10:10-14

As you can see, 'forever' means Christ does not have to be re-sacrificed, and so his ministry and the effect of his ministry are what is forever, not your possession of it (in this life). Which is made all the more clear when the author says this:

"14 ...since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven, f Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess." - Hebrews 4:14

This shows us being made perfect forever through Christ doesn't mean you can never lose it. It means the ministry of Jesus is what lasts forever, and that's why we should hang on to it.

 

[LovethroughDove]

“Those who are IN CHRIST” are Forever Saved and Secure.....The dilemma for the Christian is that he has Two Natures , whereas before he was “ Born-Again”, he had only ONE.....the “ Adamic” Nature that he inherited at birth ......The Saved Man now has the Holy Spirit in Him also .
According to Paul, these two Natures war against each other and we can’t always do the things that we know we should

I was going to post something like this, so I am in agreement with you. It is a paradox going on. The saved man will listen to the Holy Spirit. The scripture that warns us about things........is speaking to the flesh nature! The scripture that is speaking to the flesh side is then being guided by the Spirit. Working in tandem with each other and that is how the Word works.

Paul still knew he had the old man in him, but he also knew that God would never leave him nor forsake him.

Ephesians 4:22-23 You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put of your old self, which is being corrupted by it's deceitful desires; to be made new in the attitude of your minds; and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

In the final verse of the chapter, the writer says "But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who believe and are saved"
In the beginning, chapter 2, he talks about not to drift away, no mention of losing one's salvation.
So, in the beginning he says we are not to drift away and in the end he says we are the ones who believe and are saved.

You can't have it both ways.
Obviously, Hebrews 10:39 doesn't mean all true believers, categorically and without exception, will keep believing and be saved. That contradicts Hebrews 10:10,14,26-31 which says the saved, sanctified believer who tramples on the blood of Christ will go to hell.

 

[LovethroughDove]

You can't have it both ways.
Obviously, Hebrews 10:39 doesn't mean all true believers, categorically and without exception, will keep believing and be saved. That contradicts Hebrews 10:10,14,26-31 which says the saved, sanctified believer who tramples on the blood of Christ will go to hell.

It doesn't say there ARE born agains who do this. It is a warning to the flesh side of us to "keep it in line" and don't make a mockery of the Spirit. These scriptures are also talking about people who have heard of the redemptive path of Christ, and what awaits for them if they reject it. John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him - -The scripture is doing 2 things at once.

Hebrews 10:35-36 So do not throw away your confidence, it will be richly rewarded. You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.

My confidence is that "I am saved". I will do the will of God and I will be rewarded. Matthew 20:15-16 "Don't I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?" "So the last will be first, and the first will be last."

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

Why is it Paul's gospel?
The 4 gospels were written about JESUS.
I do believe it's the gospel of Jesus.

WHO sets the standard for Christianity?
Paul or Jesus?

As to the gospel not being something to be obeyed:

Matthew 28:20
20teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

What did Jesus command?
He said to observe ALL THAT I COMMANDED YOU...
ALL
THAT I COMMANDED.

ALL sounds like more than just one sentence.

Google and read “Harry Ironside Gospel”.... and you will get the answers to these questions

Jesus did EVERYTHING that was necessary for Salvation .....All Paul did was explain it.....Paul was God’s “ Chosen Vessel” to reveal and explain the mysteries that God had kept secret since the beginning of time....

The “ commands of Jesus” according to 1 John3:23, this side of the Cross, are all boiled down to two—- Believe and Love...

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

Jesus said one can be temporarily saved because he believed FOR A WHILE...

Luke 8.13
13“Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away.

They believe for a while...
they believe temporarily.
They are saved for a while....

We are eternally saved ONLY IF WE ARE IN CHRIST....
John 15:6
6“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.

If you believe that Jesus is The Son Of God That is proof that you are “ Abiding in Him”...1John 4:15.....

 

[JLB]

Google and read “Harry Ironside Gospel”.... and you will get the answers to these questions

Jesus did EVERYTHING that was necessary for Salvation .....All Paul did was explain it.....Paul was God’s “ Chosen Vessel” to reveal and explain the mysteries that God had kept secret since the beginning of time....

The “ commands of Jesus” according to 1 John3:23, this side of the Cross, are all boiled down to two—- Believe and Love...

So it’s ok to murder, steal, lie, sexual immorality...?

Your “Harry Ironside Gospel” is another man made Gospel.

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

Many hate the truth (obedience) because they want to think they're Christian but
still do whatever they want to do.

Please put on your Thinking Cap......in the end everybody will do what they want to do.....the Religionist will suppress his true Wants and look good on the outside — he changed “ the outside of the Cup” —Religionists Try To “ Clean up the House” and then invite God in......Christians invite God in and let HIM do the cleaning
I Went out last night and got as drunk as I “Wanted to”......Turns out I did not “ want” to. Before I was Saved,getting drunk was all I ever though about... God changed me. I do what I want and God changes my “ Wants”....... All I really “ WANT” to do now is to live a life that is pleasing to Him....Strange how one reacts when he knows he can do whatever he wants to do and not be lost , and how when he learns that he does not “ have” to be obedient to be Saved, he becomes more Obedient....you have to LIVE it to UNDERSTAND it.Some things , like Eternal Security , must be “Spiritually Discerned” and Religionist just don’t have that Spirit .....they will never understand it.....They spend their lives enjoying the only “Role” that know how to play.....Scripture calls them “ Accusers Of The Brethern”.....
All of this will sound like blasphemy unless you obey God And REST in the Gospel Of Grace ( 1 Cor 15:1-4 and learn to Trust God to live His Live “ through “ you. “ The man that finds Life, will find it by Trusting God”.....

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

Just want to say that I think new Christians need to be helped along and
led into the real gospel...not some made-up gospel to increase church attendance

I agree.....Newbies need to know the TRUTH of the GOOD NEWS of the Gospel .....they ain’t gonna get it from most Churches......If they hear “ another “ Gospel that adds to it with Obedience, Repentance, Water Baptism, Tithing ,Church Attendance —ANYTHING that involves Human Merit to “GET” Saved and “ STAY” Saved —- it is a False and Perverted Gospel .
The Gospel is not about what “WE” do for God. The Gospel is about what God did for Man.Even though we were His Enemies.....dead in trespasses and sins.....
Those that think the Gospel is not enough —-Those That think THEY have to ADD something to it, essentially saying “ The Gospel May Be Essential ....it just ain’t Sufficient “ are those that are” fallen from Grace”, Perhaps damned, Perhaps not. It depends on who you listen to. Anybody that “ Teaches” a Perverted Gospel ? There is no debate as to what his outcome will be. He Is “ Accursed”, damned by God forever.....Many so- called Teachers at this Site would be wise to take a Serious Look at how they present the Gospel .....it is a Gospel Of “Grace Plus Nothing” and if you do not Rest in it , which would entail you realizing you can’t lose your Salvation because of the Finished Work Of The Cross which the Gospel Represents, you are in serious jeopardy of being one of the “ Accursed” — one of the damned .....

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

The willfully sinning person who ends up going to hell in Hebrews 10 is a saved, sanctified person. We know that because the author himself defines 'sanctified' right in the chapter:

"10By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." - Hebrews 10:10

"14For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified." - Hebrews 10:14

"26For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES. 28Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?" - Hebrews 10:26-29 (Capitals and italics in original)

You are one of the millions that do not understand Heb.10....no doubt you butcher Heb. 6 also .Hebrews is written to Jewish people who are sitting on the fence , trying to understand Christianity , but too doubtful and too fearful to embrace it and reject the Judaism they have lived and known all of their lives.They “ tasted” it but in the end they rejected it
If you choose to be stiffed - necked about these verses , that’s fine by me .Newbies.....please spare yourselves years of wasted fear about these “ scary” verses. The simple truth behind these verses can be found by Googling “ A. W. Tower and Hebrews 6 and 10” or “Andrew Farley Hebrews 6 and 10”. Educate yourself on these troubling verses and sleep better at night....God Bless...

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Hebrews is written to Jewish people who are sitting on the fence , trying to understand Christianity , but too doubtful and too fearful to embrace it and reject the Judaism they have lived and known all of their lives.They “ tasted” it but in the end they rejected it

We know the Hebrews were very much saved and not merely unsaved fence sitters:

"32Remember those earlier days after you had received the light, when you endured in a great conflict full of suffering. 33Sometimes you were publicly exposed to insult and persecution; at other times you stood side by side with those who were so treated. 34You suffered along with those in prison and joyfully accepted the confiscation of your property, because you knew that you yourselves had better and lasting possessions. 35So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded." - Hebrews 10:32-35

Why is the author telling them to retain the confidence of a salvation they do not possess in the first place? He's not, of course. We saw back in chapter 6 that the author was quite sure of their salvation:

"9Even though we speak like this, dear friends, we are convinced of better things in your case—the things that have to do with salvation. 10God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them." - Hebrews 6:9-10

Not only does the author think they are saved, he is convinced they are saved. Their works being the evidence of that salvation.