Temporal Salvation?

[netchaplain]

It’s my understanding that in order to maintain self-identification, Scripture uses admonitions, which are many such as this passage, for since believers yet possess the “old man,” contrasts such as this is for discerning the “intents of the heart” (Heb 4:12). The contrasts between the old man and the new man need to be kept in check so that we will avoid never being found to have the same feelings of rebellion and unbelief as before rebirth. I believe it's a right for all to know another's intents, "for the tree is known by his fruit" (Mat 12:33).

It’s common knowledge that there are only two types of those professing to be in Christ: those who have truly received Him, and those who have not, both of which will eventually become unavoidably manifested. Those reborn will always continue to desire and choose God’s “good pleasure” (Phl 2:13); and those never reborn will not remain in their profession, because the sin nature (“old man”) will inevitably draw away the unregenerate ones from their profession.

 

[jerry63935]

Expel the wicked person from among you

you are to remove them from the congregation. certainly today we can not ask them not to come back. that is not what Christ stood for i would say we can remove them from the church attendance .not to have fellowship with them as a believer. i am more than aware of that scripture.but this does not make us judge of who is saved and who is not. i dont know how many times i posted about sin and what the Bible says. i have asked you to provide scripture and i asked jlb that says the exact words posted as scripture reference. the Big problem is soon our personal belief can add to what the word does not say. example you said HE God may try to bring back.. there is no may to it he will make every effort not willing any to perish but all come to repentance

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

The book of Hebrews Chapter 3 verse 12-14 is teaching exactly the same thing as Jesus taught in Luke 8:13.

The same word departing from in the Greek is used in Luke 8:13 and rendered fall away.

It the same message.

Temporary believing = Temporary Salvation

Temporary Faith = Temporary Salvation

Temporary Enduring = Temporary Salvation


Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
1 Corinthians 15:1-2

Unless we continue to believe in the present, what we believed in the past is useless.


Unless you or anyone here has a scripture that says those who return to unbelieving are still saved, then please repent of teaching God’s precious people, heresy.




JLB

“ If we are unfaithful, He remains faithful because He can’t deny himself”

If I Believe and fall into error and go back to Unbelief , it ain’t “ MY” Problem....God was the one that put the Responsibility on Himself to “ Save to the Uttermost” ALL of those that would “ Come to Him through His Son”. GOD is the ONE That PROMISED to FINISH the job that HE started. It is impossible for God to lie.......” Anybody that ASKS to be Saved WILL BE SAVED” ..... I did my part and I Trust Him to do HIS ......If one has “ asked”, God will do the Rest......Jesus Promised to present us before the Father as “ blameless” ...... the Monkey is on HIS back —- NOT mine.....just the way He wants it .... “ Without Him we can do Nothing”, so I just give it all to Him and Trust HIM to do the things He Promised to do
It is only by the Grace Of God that “ ANYBODY” gets their hearts and eyes opened to receive the Gospel That Saves them ( check out Lydia the seller of Purple or even Peter! ) God always knew who would be His and who wouldn’t .Those who have their eyes opened by the Holy Spirit ? What did they do ? They merely Received a Gift, and “The Gifts Of God are WITHOUT RECALL”.........Sorry....I am not quite ready to “ repent of my heresies quite yet”.....
Please Feel free to continue with the attacks .....I use other’s Hogwash as a “ Springboard” to get the Truth of Paul’s Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing out there to those who have been at the mercy of poorly taught, Confused , Jack-Leg preachers ......

 

[jerry63935]

If I Believe and fall into error and go back to Unbelief , it ain’t “ MY” Problem..

it is your problem we are told to take care of it i don't agree with this

 

[LovethroughDove]

This is just another example of how the church makes the Bible not really mean what it says.
'In me' doesn't really mean 'in me'.
It has to do this to so many passages of scripture to make the Bible line up with it's doctrines.

Actually the scripture does in fact say these who the Father removed were In Him.


I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.
John 15:1-2

• Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away

Let's take this a little further in scripture to prove my point

John 15:7-8 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you. This is my Father's glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

Words Word remain and grow into fruit showing yourselves to be the real deal!

 

[LovethroughDove]

Actually I should have hightlighted "showing yourselves to be my disciples."

 

[JLB]

“ If we are unfaithful, He remains faithful because He can’t deny himself”

If I Believe and fall into error and go back to Unbelief , it ain’t “ MY” Problem....God was the one that put the Responsibility on Himself to “ Save to the Uttermost” ALL of those that would “ Come to Him through His Son”. GOD is the ONE That PROMISED to FINISH the job that HE started. It is impossible for God to lie.......” Anybody that ASKS to be Saved WILL BE SAVED” ..... I did my part and I Trust Him to do HIS ......If one has “ asked”, God will do the Rest......Jesus Promised to present us before the Father as “ blameless” ...... the Monkey is on HIS back —- NOT mine.....just the way He wants it .... “ Without Him we can do Nothing”, so I just give it all to Him and Trust HIM to do the things He Promised to do
It is only by the Grace Of God that “ ANYBODY” gets their hearts and eyes opened to receive the Gospel That Saves them ( check out Lydia the seller of Purple or even Peter! ) God always knew who would be His and who wouldn’t .Those who have their eyes opened by the Holy Spirit ? What did they do ? They merely Received a Gift, and “The Gifts Of God are WITHOUT RECALL”.........Sorry....I am not quite ready to “ repent of my heresies quite yet”.....
Please Feel free to continue with the attacks .....I use other’s Hogwash as a “ Springboard” to get the Truth of Paul’s Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing out there to those who have been at the mercy of poorly taught, Confused , Jack-Leg preachers ......

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only Gospel.

Grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.


And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. John 1:16-17

There is no such thing as Paul’s gospel of grace.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is what Paul was sent to preach.

Those who obey the Gospel will se saved.


Paul’s words —

in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed. 2 Thessalonians 1:8-10

• in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

JLB

 

[JLB]

Let's take this a little further in scripture to prove my point

John 15:7-8 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you. This is my Father's glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

Words Word remain and grow into fruit showing yourselves to be the real deal!

Yes dear sister, let’s be those who encourage people to remain in Christ, and be fruitful, so they are not removed from Him.

Amen.


Here is how we are instructed to remain in Christ.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24




JLB

 

[JLB]

If I Believe and fall into error and go back to Unbelief , it ain’t “ MY” Problem....God was the one that put the Responsibility on Himself to “ Save to the Uttermost” ALL of those that would “ Come to Him through His Son”.

He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” John 3:36


God doesn’t do the obeying for us, He gives us His Spirit, His grace, His power to obey Him, rather than obeying the lustful desires of our flesh.

We must be those who obey, if we expect to receive eternal salvation, at the end of the Day.


And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, Hebrews 5:9


Amen.



JLB

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

We need to put this lie to rest once and for all.
The wages of sin is death.
You go to hell as the just payment/penalty for your sins.

Jesus paid the Penalty for my sins.....He got my sins and I got His Perfection....This is Christianity 101.....
Sure enough , “ The Wages Of Sin is Death , But The GIFT of God is Eternal Life “.....Misquoting Scripture.....just like somebody else we know.....your Bible ignorance is scary....I sincerely pray that nobody listens to you..... You preach an “ Accursed, Perverted Gospel” and you will pay
For that some day ......May God have Mercy on your Soul....

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” John 3:36


God doesn’t do the obeying for us, He gives us His Spirit, His grace, His power to obey Him, rather than obeying the lustful desires of our flesh.

We must be those who obey, if we expect to receive eternal salvation, at the end of the Day.


And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, Hebrews 5:9


Amen.



JLB

Jesus wants us to “ Obey” Paul’s Gospel of Grace Plus Nothing in order to be Saved. That is all the Obedience one needs to have your sins forgiven and be made “ Fit For Heaven”.......Everything else is icing on the cake, and it’s His job to “ Finish what He Started”.....we do the Trusting and HE does the Saving....” The Righteous shall LIVE by Faith “

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” John 3:36


God doesn’t do the obeying for us, He gives us His Spirit, His grace, His power to obey Him, rather than obeying the lustful desires of our flesh.

We must be those who obey, if we expect to receive eternal salvation, at the end of the Day.


And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, Hebrews 5:9


Amen.



JLB

The Gospel is NOT what we do for God.....The Gospel is what a loving, merciful God does for wretched , undeserving Sinners who come to Him with Faith.....the Faith to believe that Jesus died for our sins and rose from the dead....it is a Gospel Of Pure Grace and if one Adds to it with ANY type of Works , That Grace is cancelled out. If one preaches a different , “perverted” Gospel That adds to it.....they go to Hell .....it’s a serious thing to Trifle with God’s Way Of Salvation
In Hebrews 3 and 4, God refers back to Paul’s Gospel and warns us that we must RESt in this Gospel , Plus Nothing or be Charged with Disobedience and UNbelief ...serious stuff .If one is truly Resting in the Gospel ,That person is no longer worrying about Losing their Salvation... the two do not co-exist.Dont Be Guilty Of Unbelief and suffer the Terrible Consequences Of That ....Rest in the Gospel and likewise Rest in the Fact That you are Forever Saved because you realize that your Salvation is based on what HE did at the Cross and NOT what you do....It Truly “ IS” Nothing But The Blood— NEVER find yourself on the wrong side of “ that” debate.That Saving Blood is at the Heart Of The Gospel.....God Bless .....

 

[JLB]

Jesus wants us to “ Obey” Paul’s Gospel of Grace Plus Nothing in order to be Saved.

If you would have said, Paul wants us to obey the Gospel of Jesus Christ, in order to be saved, I would agree.


The other thing is understanding the difference between when we are first saved; ie regenerated or born again, and receiving the salvation of our soul, when the Lord returns, at the end of our faith. This is also called inheriting eternal life as well as inheriting the kingdom of God. Rightly dividing these two events will help bring clarity to our discussion.


Mixing these two events together can confuse the discussion.


This scripture touches on both —


For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another. But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared,
not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. Titus 3:3-7


Born again, saved by grace through faith, regeneration —

• not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

Inheriting eternal life —

• having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Receiving the salvation of our soul at the end of our faith —

In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials, that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ, whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls. 1 Peter 1:5-9

• receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls.

The end result of salvation through faith is receiving the salvation of our soul.

If we still have faith, then we have the substance of the thing we are hoping for.


There are many more references like this in scripture.


Inheriting the kingdom of God is another reference to this.



JLB

 

[JLB]

The Gospel is NOT what we do for God.....The Gospel is what a loving, merciful God does for wretched , undeserving Sinners who come to Him with Faith.....

It is through hearing the Gospel that we receive faith for salvation.

It is when we obey the Gospel that we are born again.


Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, 1 Peter 22-23



JLB

 

[JLB]

that what it says but i still need scripture saying temporary salvation
Matthew 24:22-24
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. who is the elect we are

Those brothers who hate, no longer have eternal life.

This verse refers to a Christian brother who resorts to hating his brother, for whatever reason...


Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15

15 Everyone who hates (works against) his brother [in Christ] is [at heart] a murderer [by God’s standards]; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15 AMP


15 Anyone who hates his Christian brother is really a murderer at heart; and you know that no one wanting to murder has eternal life within. 1 John 3:15 TLB


As long as we as Christians abide in love, we abide, which means to remain, in God; in eternal life.


We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother abides in death. 1 John 3:14


Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life. 1 John 2:24-25


Again, a new commandment I write to you, which thing is true in Him and in you, because the darkness is passing away, and the true light is already shining.
He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him. But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
1 John 2:8-11



JLB

 

[Jethro Bodine]

“ If we are unfaithful, He remains faithful because He can’t deny himself”

But if you disown him he will disown you...

"If we disown him,
he will also disown us;
13if we are faithless,
he remains faithful,
for he cannot disown himself." - 2 Timothy 2:12-13

Being faithless and disowning him have to be two different things, because the outcome of each is different.
If you are faithless he remains faithless.
But if you disown him he will disown you. That's the part you're ignoring.
You can't disown him and still be saved.
But you say you can.
The plain words of scripture say you're wrong.
By disowning him you no longer belong to him, and so he would not be disowning himself.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

If I Believe and fall into error and go back to Unbelief , it ain’t “ MY” Problem....God was the one that put the Responsibility on Himself to “ Save to the Uttermost” ALL of those that would “ Come to Him through His Son”. GOD is the ONE That PROMISED to FINISH the job that HE started. It is impossible for God to lie.......” Anybody that ASKS to be Saved WILL BE SAVED” ..... I did my part and I Trust Him to do HIS ......If one has “ asked”, God will do the Rest......Jesus Promised to present us before the Father as “ blameless” ...... the Monkey is on HIS back —- NOT mine.....just the way He wants it .... “ Without Him we can do Nothing”, so I just give it all to Him and Trust HIM to do the things He Promised to do
It is only by the Grace Of God that “ ANYBODY” gets their hearts and eyes opened to receive the Gospel That Saves them ( check out Lydia the seller of Purple or even Peter! ) God always knew who would be His and who wouldn’t .Those who have their eyes opened by the Holy Spirit ? What did they do ? They merely Received a Gift, and “The Gifts Of God are WITHOUT RECALL”.........

If this is true, why is the believer now back in unbelief again?
Why are their eyes closed now?
Why is God not doing his job?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Let's take this a little further in scripture to prove my point

John 15:7-8 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you. This is my Father's glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

Words Word remain and grow into fruit showing yourselves to be the real deal!

And what is your point?

 

[netchaplain]

Unbelievers can falsely profess Christ, but they are eventually uncovered from their hypocrisy by the absence of the fruit of the Spirit (works), which always reveals their denial of Him (Tit 1:16 ). When Peter verbally denied Him is was just words and not in truth, as his life manifested.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Unbelievers can falsely profess Christ, but they are eventually uncovered from their hypocrisy by the absence of the fruit of the Spirit (works), which always reveals their denial of Him (Tit 1:16 ). When Peter verbally denied Him is was just words and not in truth, as his life manifested.

Peter didn't go back to unbelief.
Peter got scared.