The 10 Commandments are for EVERYONE.

[theWind]

Contrary to popular false teachings, the 10 Commandments were given by God to any and all who would ever come to love Him and obey His Commandments.

Obedience to the Commandments brings one into the very Covenant that God made with mankind on Mt. Sinai.
Deut. 28:9

Jesus declares that it is the keeping of the Commandments that is the prerequisite for receiving the Holy Spirit of God.
John 14:21

The Psalms are chock full of proof that the Commandments were never intended to be done away with and are the foundation of Truth and Righteousness.
Psalm 111:7-8

All the way through the Bible, and arriving at Revelation, we see the Commandments are integral to a sound Christian Faith and are viewed by God as paramount for a follower of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12

Many believe that Covenant was only made with one specific race of people, but there is ample evidence, inside and outside the Bible, that fully contradicts that and proves that God intended for all mankind to have the opportunity to be in Covenant with Him.

We will discuss all these facts and more within this thread.

God bless.

 

[for_his_glory]

To all those who think that all the laws have been fulfilled in Christ you are very wrong as below are the laws that are written upon our heart and can only be fulfilled when Christ returns and makes an end to sin by throwing it into the lake of fire with that of the beast and the false prophets. The only laws that Christ has fulfilled so far are that of the Temple and its sacrifices. Someone please show me in scripture where Jesus has fulfilled all the laws, because in Matthew 22:35-40 and Matthew 5:17, 18 Jesus does not say that he has already fulfilled all of them, but that love was the greatest of them all.

There are laws (commandments) of God that were especially written just for the Hebrews pertaining to the rituals of the Temple, sacrifices, festivals, Torah, Kohanim and Levites, the King and the Nazarite. Then there are the existing moral laws (commandments) for all of us to still follow as in prayers and blessings, love and brotherhood. The poor and unfortunate, treatment of the Gentiles, Marriage, divorce and family. Forbidden sexual relations, business practices, employees and servants. Vows, oaths, swearing, Court and Judicial procedures. Injuries and damages, property and property rights, criminal laws. Prophecy, idolatry and all its practices as the moral laws (commandments) keep us in line with the will of God.

We need to present ourselves a vessel of honor that God delights in as we allow the light of Christ shine in us and through us. This is a testimony of Gods grace and mercy as it is not ourselves that do any good thing, but Gods Spirit working in us and through us as we surrender our will to that of Gods will to be done.

Morality in God is His greatest commandment of love as we treat others as we want others to treat us. God is love and wants us to love and treat others as He loves and treats us.

Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


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[theWind]

To all those who think that all the laws have been fulfilled in Christ you are very wrong as below are the laws that are written upon our heart and can only be fulfilled when Christ returns and makes an end to sin by throwing it into the lake of fire with that of the beast and the false prophets. The only laws that Christ has fulfilled so far are that of the Temple and its sacrifices. Someone please show me in scripture where Jesus has fulfilled all the laws, because in Matthew 22:35-40 and Matthew 5:17, 18 Jesus does not say that he has already fulfilled all of them, but that love was the greatest of them all.

There are laws (commandments) of God that were especially written just for the Hebrews pertaining to the rituals of the Temple, sacrifices, festivals, Torah, Kohanim and Levites, the King and the Nazarite. Then there are the existing moral laws (commandments) for all of us to still follow as in prayers and blessings, love and brotherhood. The poor and unfortunate, treatment of the Gentiles, Marriage, divorce and family. Forbidden sexual relations, business practices, employees and servants. Vows, oaths, swearing, Court and Judicial procedures. Injuries and damages, property and property rights, criminal laws. Prophecy, idolatry and all its practices as the moral laws (commandments) keep us in line with the will of God.

We need to present ourselves a vessel of honor that God delights in as we allow the light of Christ shine in us and through us. This is a testimony of Gods grace and mercy as it is not ourselves that do any good thing, but Gods Spirit working in us and through us as we surrender our will to that of Gods will to be done.

Morality in God is His greatest commandment of love as we treat others as we want others to treat us. God is love and wants us to love and treat others as He loves and treats us.

Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


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No man knows how to be a vessel of honor, nor how to love God OR man as He expects us to, without the 10 Commandments.

God says love thy neighbor.

Ask 100 people exactly how that's done and you'll get a hundred different answers.

Ask them how to love God and you'll get the same.

The first 4 Commandments were given to us by the very mouth of God aloud in order for us to make no mistake as to how He expects us to be loving to Him.

The last 6 were given the same way for the same purpose.

For modern mainstream churchianity to so widely teach that these things are unnecessary for Christians today is one of the greatest blasphemies ever perpetuated upon mankind. It is one of the greatest victories of the enemy that so many of us have been convinced that the 10 Commands that God SO DRAMATICALLY presented upon Mt. Sinai, and wrote in Stone with His own finger, are not for us and we are not to concern ourselves with them.

I'd go so far as to say it is likely one of the biggest reasons that there will be so very few who make it to heaven. The absolutely ridiculous notion that we will be punished, or heaven forbid sent to hell by God, for obeying His Commandments is the nuttiest thing ever - yet MASSES of professed Christians believe this nonsense.

 

[for_his_glory]

No man knows how to be a vessel of honor, nor how to love God OR man as He expects us to, without the 10 Commandments.

God says love thy neighbor.

Ask 100 people exactly how that's done and you'll get a hundred different answers.

Ask them how to love God and you'll get the same.

The first 4 Commandments were given to us by the very mouth of God aloud in order for us to make no mistake as to how He expects us to be loving to Him.

The last 6 were given the same way for the same purpose.

For modern mainstream churchianity to so widely teach that these things are unnecessary for Christians today is one of the greatest blasphemies ever perpetuated upon mankind. It is one of the greatest victories of the enemy that so many of us have been convinced that the 10 Commands that God SO DRAMATICALLY presented upon Mt. Sinai, and wrote in Stone with His own finger, are not for us and we are not to concern ourselves with them.

I'd go so far as to say it is likely one of the biggest reasons that there will be so very few who make it to heaven. The absolutely ridiculous notion that we will be punished, or heaven forbid sent to hell by God, for obeying His Commandments is the nuttiest thing ever - yet MASSES of professed Christians believe this nonsense.

Where do you draw your statistics from as far as your sources as in my 68 years here on earth I have been to many different types of Churches (denominational/non-denominational) and they have all taught the ten commandments.

 

[Mungo]

When God called the Israelites of Egypt he had to build them into a nation, a kingdom. He did this by means of a Covenant where he bound them to a set of laws, a code of law. This Covenant was accompanied by blessings for keeping the covenant and curses for breaking it. This was standard for Ancient Near East Covenants (ANE Covenants).

All these laws were written down and can be found particularly in Exodus and Leviticus or in Deuteronomy. The Book of the Law (which contained the Ten Commandments) was put on the outside of the Ark of the Covenant. The Ten Commandments were also written on stone, by God, and placed inside the Ark.

The Ten Commandments are a summary of the most important part of the Law. In the Sinai Covenant they summarise the Covenant Law, the breaking of which can trigger the Covenant curses. Since the Gentiles were never a part of the Sinai Covenant they had no part in the Covenant blessings or curses when the Israelites kept or broke them. The Ten Commandments were not applicable to Gentiles, or us, as a legal code.

However, from the beginning God made certain moral laws that are applicable to all men in all times. We call them eternal moral laws.

Mankind knew these laws from the beginning because they were made known to him by his conscience. Thus Cain knew that he had done wrong when he murdered Abel. We believe that man can know something about God and his moral laws from our nature and our consciences.

As the psalmist says:
The heavens are telling the glory of God; and the firmament proclaims his handiwork. Day to day pours forth speech, and night to night declares knowledge. (Ps 19:1-2)

Paul says:
Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse; for although they knew God they did not honour him as God or give thanks to him (Rom 1:20-21)

And
When Gentiles who have not the law do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or perhaps excuse them (Rom 2:14-15)

Thus God’s eternal moral law already exists before man is created and is embedded in our hearts.
The Ten Commandments are mainly moral laws, though they do contain some ceremonial law (e.g. sabbath keeping). And there are moral laws not contained in the Ten Commandments (e.g. fornication).
These moral laws still apply to us and will be found in the New Testament.

The old (Sinai) Covenant was abolished/abrogated, nailed to the cross (Col 2:14). As Christians we live under the New Covenant which replaces the old (Sinai) Covenant.
The Book of Hebrews makes this replacement of the Old Covenant by the New very clear.
On the one hand, a former commandment is annulled because of its weakness and uselessness, for the law brought nothing to perfection; on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God. (Heb 7:18-19)

When there is a change of priesthood, there is necessarily a change of law as well. (Heb 7:12)

For if that first covenant had been faultless, no place would have been sought for a second one. But he finds fault with them and says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will conclude a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah. (Heb 8:7-8)

When he speaks of a “new” covenant, he declares the first one obsolete. And what has become obsolete and has grown old is close to disappearing (Heb 8:13)

He takes away the first to establish the second (Heb 10:9)

 

[theWind]

Where do you draw your statistics from as far as your sources as in my 68 years here on earth I have been to many different types of Churches (denominational/non-denominational) and they have all taught the ten commandments.

Oh, really?

So you're SDA?

 

[Robert Pate]

Contrary to popular false teachings, the 10 Commandments were given by God to any and all who would ever come to love Him and obey His Commandments.

Obedience to the Commandments brings one into the very Covenant that God made with mankind on Mt. Sinai.
Deut. 28:9

Jesus declares that it is the keeping of the Commandments that is the prerequisite for receiving the Holy Spirit of God.
John 14:21

The Psalms are chock full of proof that the Commandments were never intended to be done away with and are the foundation of Truth and Righteousness.
Psalm 111:7-8

All the way through the Bible, and arriving at Revelation, we see the Commandments are integral to a sound Christian Faith and are viewed by God as paramount for a follower of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12

Many believe that Covenant was only made with one specific race of people, but there is ample evidence, inside and outside the Bible, that fully contradicts that and proves that God intended for all mankind to have the opportunity to be in Covenant with Him.

We will discuss all these facts and more within this thread.

God bless.

You are on the wrong bus going in the wrong direction. Jesus has abolished the law and the commandments by nailing it to his cross, Colossians 2:14.

You are practicing Old Covenant law and religion that has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15. Christians are not Pharisees. They are led by the Holy Spirit, not the law. To be led by the law is to be under the law and under the curse, Galatians 3:10.

Paul said to the Galatians, "Tell me that you desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law" Galatians 4:21. The law demands that you be perfect. Are you perfect? If you are not perfect, then you are under condemnation.

 

[theWind]

The Ten Commandments were not applicable to Gentiles, or us, as a legal code.

The entire premise of your post is shattered by 3 critical passages in Scripture.

First of all, the Israelites, by the time of Sinai, were not a single race of people. Israelite referred to those who worshiped the God of the man Israel/Jacob. They were not a pure race of people, they were a congregation of believers in the God of the Bible.

We see in Exodus that the group of people who left Egypt was a mixed multitude - a number of different races of people.

"And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children. And a mixed multitude went up also with them; ..."
Exodus 12:37-38

Once they had arrived at Mt. Sinai, there were a great number of what the Bible refers to as strangers among their ranks. These were not Israelites, by race or creed.

"Ye stand this day all of you before the Lord your God; ... with all the men of Israel, your little ones, your wives and thy stranger that is in thy camp, from the hewer of thy wood to the drawer of thy water."
Deut. 29:10-22

And who does the Bible show that Moses explicitly made the Covenant of the 10 Commandments with?

Let's see:

"Neither with you only do I make this Covenant and this Oath; but with him that standeth here with us this day before the Lord our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day: ..."
Deut. 29:14-15

Moses made a definitive point to declare that the 10 Commandments were NOT only given to the Israelite race. We also see later that it is made clear that anybody who loves the God of the Bible and obeys His Commandments is brought into covenant with the Lord God Almighty.

This Covenant was not made as an unconditional promise to a specific race of people. On the contrary, it was a conditional promise, made to all, that was based specifically on obedience to the 10 Commandments. The only Commandments that were spoken aloud by God at Sinai.
Exod. 20:1

"The Lord shall establish thee an holy people unto Himself ... IF thou shalt keep the Commandments of the Lord thy God, and walk in His ways."
Deut. 28:9

What does John tell us in 1 John 2:6? That we are to walk in Jesus' Ways if we profess to be Christians.

The 10 Commandments were given to all mankind and one of the earliest Bibles, the Wycliffe, even uses the words 'given to all men' in Deut. 29:15.

After these events, the Israelites' ranks were repeatedly infiltrated with the genetics of other races as the men and women of Israel continued to have relations with the surrounding Nations. Therefore, the promise God made to them concerning the Covenant of the 10 Commandments could not have been a forever Covenant as they continued to have their race watered down for centuries thereafter. That is why God had to make it with any and all who would love Him and obey His stated Commands.

Commands that identify to him spiritually who His people are.

And Jesus upheld these Commandments perfectly to make the point that they were still completely legitimate and that all Christians thereafter were expected to keep them fully - just as He did. His Spirit motivates obedience to them and enables His followers to uphold the Commandments.

Contrary to popular lies, they are not at all impossible to keep.

 

[Mungo]

The entire premise of your post is shattered by 3 critical passages in Scripture.

First of all, the Israelites, by the time of Sinai, were not a single race of people. Israelite referred to those who worshiped the God of the man Israel/Jacob. They were not a pure race of people, they were a congregation of believers in the God of the Bible.

We see in Exodus that the group of people who left Egypt was a mixed multitude - a number of different races of people.

"And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children. And a mixed multitude went up also with them; ..."
Exodus 12:37-38

Once they had arrived at Mt. Sinai, there were a great number of what the Bible refers to as strangers among their ranks. These were not Israelites, by race or creed.

"Ye stand this day all of you before the Lord your God; ... with all the men of Israel, your little ones, your wives and thy stranger that is in thy camp, from the hewer of thy wood to the drawer of thy water."
Deut. 29:10-22

And who does the Bible show that Moses explicitly made the Covenant of the 10 Commandments with?

Let's see:

"Neither with you only do I make this Covenant and this Oath; but with him that standeth here with us this day before the Lord our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day: ..."
Deut. 29:14-15

Moses made a definitive point to declare that the 10 Commandments were NOT only given to the Israelite race. We also see later that it is made clear that anybody who loves the God of the Bible and obeys His Commandments is brought into covenant with the Lord God Almighty.

This Covenant was not made as an unconditional promise to a specific race of people. On the contrary, it was a conditional promise, made to all, that was based specifically on obedience to the 10 Commandments. The only Commandments that were spoken aloud by God at Sinai.
Exod. 20:1

"The Lord shall establish thee an holy people unto Himself ... IF thou shalt keep the Commandments of the Lord thy God, and walk in His ways."
Deut. 28:9

What does John tell us in 1 John 2:6? That we are to walk in Jesus' Ways if we profess to be Christians.

The 10 Commandments were given to all mankind and one of the earliest Bibles, the Wycliffe, even uses the words 'given to all men' in Deut. 29:15.

After these events, the Israelites' ranks were repeatedly infiltrated with the genetics of other races as the men and women of Israel continued to have relations with the surrounding Nations. Therefore, the promise God made to them concerning the Covenant of the 10 Commandments could not have been a forever Covenant as they continued to have their race watered down for centuries thereafter. That is why God had to make it with any and all who would love Him and obey His stated Commands.

Commands that identify to him spiritually who His people are.

And Jesus upheld these Commandments perfectly to make the point that they were still completely legitimate and that all Christians thereafter were expected to keep them fully - just as He did. His Spirit motivates obedience to them and enables His followers to uphold the Commandments.

Contrary to popular lies, they are not at all impossible to keep.

It doesn't matter if those at Mt Sinai were a mixed race. The Covenant was made with them that were there.
"And Moses summoned all Israel, and said to them, "Hear, O Israel, the statutes and the ordinances which I speak in your hearing this day, and you shall learn them and be careful to do them." DT 5:1-2)
The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
Yes people later converted to from other races and entered the Covenant.

Paul says:
Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called the uncircumcision by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands-- remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. (Eph 2:12)
Gentiles were strangers to the covenant.

Paul says to the Galatian Gentiles who were Judaising
Tell me, you who desire to be under law, do you not hear the law? For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave and one by a free woman. But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, the son of the free woman through promise. Now this is an allegory: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. For it is written, "Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear; break forth and shout, you who are not in travail; for the children of the desolate one are many more than the children of her that is married." Now we, brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise. But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now. But what does the scripture say? "Cast out the slave and her son; for the son of the slave shall not inherit with the son of the free woman." So, brethren, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman. (Gal 4:21-31)
He is clear. To go back to Judaism (accepting the Law) is to put yourself back into slavery.

He goes on to warn them:.
You are separated from Christ, you who are trying to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. (Gal 5:4)

Paul himself declares he is no longer under the Law.
To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews; to those under the law I became as one under the law--though not being myself under the law--that I might win those under the law. To those outside the law [Gentiles] I became as one outside the law--not being without law toward God but under the law of Christ--that I might win those outside the law. (1Cor 9:20-21)
He also makes here a clear distinction between those under the Law (the Jews) and those not under the Law (the Gentiles)

Galatians 3:
Before faith came, we [Jews] were held in custody under law, confined for the faith that was to be revealed. Consequently, the law was our disciplinarian for Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a disciplinarian. (Gal 3:23-25).
We (Jews) are not under the Law

And that Old Covenant has been abolished.
Paul describes the Jews and Gentiles as separated but then he says:
But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near in the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who has made us both one, and has broken down the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law of commandments and ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, (Eph 2:13-15)
The Law has been abolished.

Col 2 says much the same:
And you, who were dead in trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, having cancelled the bond which stood against us with its legal demands; this he set aside, nailing it to the cross. (Col 2:14)

 

[theWind]

You are on the wrong bus going in the wrong direction.

Right because God will send people to hell who obey His Commandments. Correct?

The 10 Commandments were given by God's own booming voice upon Mt. Sinai. So loud and quaking that the people were afraid they would die of heart failure.

And what does God have to say about your above assertion?

"... Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of The Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. For rebellion (disobedience) is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity (sin) and idolatry (demon-worship). Because thou hast rejected the Word of the Lord, He hath also rejected thee ..."
1 Sam. 15:22-23

Jesus has abolished the law and the commandments by nailing it to his cross, Colossians 2:14.

You are practicing Old Covenant law and religion that has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15.

The only thing abolished at the Cross was the Sacrificial/Ceremonial Laws of Ordinances just as your Eph. 2:15 states. If the 10 Commandments were abolished at the Cross, Jesus' followers (the First Christians) would've been well aware of it. And what do we see them doing immediately after His death here: Luke 23:54-56?

Christians are not Pharisees. They are led by the Holy Spirit, not the law. To be led by the law is to be under the law and under the curse, Galatians 3:10.

The only curse of the Law is upon those who break it. John reiterates that in 1 John 3:4 defining sin as the breaking of the Law of God - the 10 Commandments. All Christians today are being taught by the heretical churches to break God's Law. Jesus taught nothing of the sort.

They are all ushered into the curse for their lack of desire for Truth and their lack of due diligence in studying to make themselves approved of God.

"... those who do not understand shall fall."
Hos. 4:14

2 Tim. 2:15
2 Thess. 2:10
Prov. 1:29
Hos. 4:6
Jer. 9:6

The law demands that you be perfect. Are you perfect? If you are not perfect, then you are under condemnation.

And we are told to be perfect. Are we not?
Matt. 5:48

Our imperfection is covered by the blood of Christ, but we are still to strive for perfection and expected to obey all of the Commandments. There are only 10 - and none of them are impossible to keep. That is plain silliness.

 

[theWind]

It doesn't matter if those at Mt Sinai were a mixed race. The Covenant was made with them that were there.

Clearly it wasn't.

"Neither with you only do I make this Covenant and this Oath; but with him that standeth here with us this day before the Lord our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day: ..."
Deut. 29:14-15

Yes people later converted to from other races and entered the Covenant.

Yes, they did. And they did so by loving God and obeying His Commandments.

Gentiles were strangers to the covenant.

Yes, they were strangers, but they were specifically included.

"Neither with you only do I make this Covenant and this Oath; but with him that standeth here with us this day (the strangers mentioned in verse 11) before the Lord our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day: ..."
Deut. 29:14-15

Paul himself declares he is no longer under the Law.

And that Old Covenant has been abolished.

My dear friend, .... Paul was a Keeper of the Law long after his conversion and Christ's death and the elders commended him for it.
"... thou thyself also walkest orderly and keepest the Law."
Acts 21:24

The Law has been abolished.

The 10 Commandments have not.

And will never be.

"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the Commandments of God, and the Faith of Jesus."
Rev. 14:12

In Exodus 34:28, the Ten Commandments are defined as the Ten Words. That term is used for the Commandments many times throughout the Bible, especially in the Psalms. And we see in Matthew that Jesus tells us this:

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My Words shall never pass away."
Matt. 24:35
And this:

"For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not one single thing shall pass from the Law."
Matt. 5:18

 

[Robert Pate]

Right because God will send people to hell who obey His Commandments. Correct?

The 10 Commandments were given by God's own booming voice upon Mt. Sinai. So loud and quaking that the people were afraid they would die of heart failure.

And what does God have to say about your above assertion?

"... Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of The Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. For rebellion (disobedience) is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity (sin) and idolatry (demon-worship). Because thou hast rejected the Word of the Lord, He hath also rejected thee ..."
1 Sam. 15:22-23

The only thing abolished at the Cross was the Sacrificial/Ceremonial Laws of Ordinances just as your Eph. 2:15 states. If the 10 Commandments were abolished at the Cross, Jesus' followers (the First Christians) would've been well aware of it. And what do we see them doing immediately after His death here: Luke 23:54-56?

The only curse of the Law is upon those who break it. John reiterates that in 1 John 3:4 defining sin as the breaking of the Law of God - the 10 Commandments. All Christians today are being taught by the heretical churches to break God's Law. Jesus taught nothing of the sort.

They are all ushered into the curse for their lack of desire for Truth and their lack of due diligence in studying to make themselves approved of God.

"... those who do not understand shall fall."
Hos. 4:14

2 Tim. 2:15
2 Thess. 2:10
Prov. 1:29
Hos. 4:6
Jer. 9:6

And we are told to be perfect. Are we not?
Matt. 5:48

Our imperfection is covered by the blood of Christ, but we are still to strive for perfection and expected to obey all of the Commandments. There are only 10 - and none of them are impossible to keep. That is plain silliness.

All of the law keeping Pharisees went to hell, Matthew 23:1-39. The law is a ministration of death, 2 Corinthians 3:7. Those that think that they will be saved by the law will perish, Romans 3:20. You need to call on Christ to save you, Romans 10:13, instead of trying to save yourself.

 

[for_his_glory]

Oh, really?

So you're SDA?

Yes, really. No I am not SDA nor do I affiliate with any organized religions as such. If any church teaches against keeping the ten commandments then they are not the true church of God.

 

[for_his_glory]

Oh, really?

So you're SDA?

And again, where do you draw your conclusions from as far as any source you use for your claims?

This is the Theology forum and we are expected to post all sources and scripture for what we claim.

 

[theWind]

All of the law keeping Pharisees went to hell, Matthew 23:1-39.

It appears you didn't even read your own passage selection.

In verse 3, speaking of the Pharisees and scribes, Jesus plainly tells His disciples to do as they say, but not as they do for they taught the 10 Commandments, but none of them obeyed them. They were all hypocrites and Jesus makes that clear multiple times throughout that chapter calling them a brood of vipers, etc. He is speaking to their kind in John 8:44 as well. None of them kept God's Law, they kept their own Law called the Traditions of Men.

What does that tell you about all the lost Christians today who don't even teach the 10 Commandments but plainly declare that all Christians should not obey them?

Yeah, not good.

All who obey and teach the 10 Commandments will be considered greatest in God's Kingdom. Those who do otherwise will hardly be considered at all.
Matt. 5:19

The law is a ministration of death, 2 Corinthians 3:7.

To those who disobey it.

Those that think that they will be saved by the law will perish, Romans 3:20. You need to call on Christ to save you, Romans 10:13, instead of trying to save yourself.

Nobody has claimed that the 10 Commandments save us. Christ saves us by His shed blood on the Cross. Nevertheless, we are to live as He lived and obey God's Commandments as the breaking of them is the definition of sin.
1 John 2:6
1 John 3:4

 

[theWind]

Yes, really. No I am not SDA nor do I affiliate with any organized religions as such.

You might be quite a bit unaware of what modern churches teach today then as the vast majority worship on Sunday, not Saturday (the Biblical Sabbath - 4th Commandment) and I don't know of a single church anywhere today that teaches to keep all the 10 Commandments besides possibly the SDA's.

If any church teaches against keeping the ten commandments then they are not the true church of God.

And how many of those churches did you attend on Saturday?

Sunday-keeping is found nowhere in the Bible and nowhere was the 4th Commandment repealed in Scripture.

 

[theWind]

And again, where do you draw your conclusions from as far as any source you use for your claims?

This is the Theology forum and we are expected to post all sources and scripture for what we claim.

Uhh, ... mam.

None of your posts in this thread contain a single verse of Scripture.

I always use Scripture for my points, Theology Forum or not, and almost every single post of mine in this thread has multiple passages each containing multiple verses.

Try post #10.

If you're looking for a reason to ban me because you don't personally like this topic, don't waste anybody's time here. Ban me for no good reason and I will shake the dust from my feet of this site and move on to another of the hundreds online. You will have accomplished nothing in your effort to silence my message of Truth.

 

[theWind]

Should Christians under grace obey God's Law?

 

[jaybo]

Yes, really. No I am not SDA nor do I affiliate with any organized religions as such. If any church teaches against keeping the ten commandments then they are not the true church of God.

The ten commandments, as well as the entire OT law, died when Jesus was sacrificed. Christians who put themselves back under the OT law go against the clear teachings of the Bible.

Romans 7:4-6, " In the same way, my brothers and sisters, you have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are enslaved in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the written code.

Romans 8:1-4, "Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do: by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and to deal with sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, so that the just requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit."

This is fundamental to understanding Christianity and the New Covenant.

 

[Mungo]

Clearly it wasn't.

"Neither with you only do I make this Covenant and this Oath; but with him that standeth here with us this day before the Lord our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day: ..."
Deut. 29:14-15

"And Moses summoned all Israel, and said to them, "Hear, O Israel, the statutes and the ordinances which I speak in your hearing this day, and you shall learn them and be careful to do them."
The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.(Dt 5:1-2)

Dt 29 takes place 40 years after the Covenant at Sinai (Horeb). In those 40 years many had died.

DT 29 is about a Covenant renewal and the "him that is not here with us this day: ..." could reasonable be referring to those with whom God made the Covenant at SInai and have died since.

There is no reason to include all gentiles forever.

Yes, they did. And they did so by loving God and obeying His Commandments.

By keeping the Old Law until it was abolished.

Yes, they were strangers, but they were specifically included.

The sojourners that were with them had become part of the tribe so of course they were included in the Covenant. They were always included (e.g. Ex 20:10, Lev 17:15, Lv 24:16 to give just a few examples). But they were people living with the Israelites not others outside.

My dear friend, .... Paul was a Keeper of the Law long after his conversion and Christ's death and the elders commended him for it.
"... thou thyself also walkest orderly and keepest the Law."
Acts 21:24

What does scripture say a few verses earlier about Paul?
"you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or observe the customs." Clearly Paul did not keep the law or expect gentiles to keep the law.

Paul only purified himself because many who were zealous of the law were coming.

You know what a chameleon Paul was -
To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews; to those under the law I became as one under the law—though not being myself under the law—that I might win those under the law. To those outside the law I became as one outside the law—not being without law toward God but under the law of Christ—that I might win those outside the law. To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
1Cor 9:20-23

Before faith came, we [Jews] were held in custody under law, confined for the faith that was to be revealed. Consequently, the law was our disciplinarian for Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a disciplinarian. (Gal 3:23-25).
We (Jews) are not under the Law

The 10 Commandments have not.

And will never be.

As a legal code of the Old Covenant they have been abolished.

In Exodus 34:28, the Ten Commandments are defined as the Ten Words. That term is used for the Commandments many times throughout the Bible, especially in the Psalms. And we see in Matthew that Jesus tells us this:

False
Ex 34:28 - And he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
Not the Ten Words

"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the Commandments of God, and the Faith of Jesus."
Rev. 14:12

Yes, the moral commandments of God but not the Ten Commandments as a legal code of the Old Covenant

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My Words shall never pass away."
Matt. 24:35

That is your captialisation. The text just says "my words". You are trying to make it say someth9ng which it doesn't say

And this:

"For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not one single thing shall pass from the Law."
Matt. 5:18

You missed a bit out

For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.

The law had accomplished all that it was for

Before faith came, we [Jews] were held in custody under law, confined for the faith that was to be revealed. Consequently, the law was our disciplinarian for Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a disciplinarian. (Gal 3:23-25).