The 10 Commandments are for EVERYONE.

[GodsGrace]

theWind

OK
I get your POV.
You're a Saturday worshipper and you want everyone else to follow in your belief system.

I just want to say that not all of God's Covenants are Conditional.

Every other Christian might be following only 9 commandments. This is true.

It's also true that those immediately following Jesus worshipped on Sunday, the first day of the week in order to celebrate the Resurrection.


Acts 20:6-7
And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days. 7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them,,,

 

[jaybo]

Sorry, but it's no legalistic, but that of obeying God's commands until Jesus fulfills all the laws as per the scriptures below you might want to ponder.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

1John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Do you really want to keep trading Scripture with me? Okay...

Romans 7:6, "But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are enslaved in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the written code."

2 Corinthians 3:4-11, "Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are qualified of ourselves to claim anything as coming from us; our qualification is from God, who has made us qualified to be ministers of a new covenant, not of letter but of spirit, for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Now if the ministry of death, chiseled in letters on stone tablets, came in glory so that the people of Israel could not gaze at Moses’s face because of the glory of his face, a glory now set aside, how much more will the ministry of the Spirit come in glory? For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, much more does the ministry of justification abound in glory! Indeed, what once had glory has in this respect lost its glory because of the greater glory, for if what was set aside came through glory, much more has the permanent come in glory!

 

[for_his_glory]

Do you really want to keep trading Scripture with me? Okay...

Romans 7:6, "But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are enslaved in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the written code."

2 Corinthians 3:4-11, "Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are qualified of ourselves to claim anything as coming from us; our qualification is from God, who has made us qualified to be ministers of a new covenant, not of letter but of spirit, for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Now if the ministry of death, chiseled in letters on stone tablets, came in glory so that the people of Israel could not gaze at Moses’s face because of the glory of his face, a glory now set aside, how much more will the ministry of the Spirit come in glory? For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, much more does the ministry of justification abound in glory! Indeed, what once had glory has in this respect lost its glory because of the greater glory, for if what was set aside came through glory, much more has the permanent come in glory!

No, as if you want to throw away God's commands then I don't have anymore to share. You have a good evening.

 

[Believer of the Word]

There are many, many verses in the bible that say all that is necessary to be saved is to believe. If any one of these verses is a lie, then God is a liar. God forbid!
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Acts 16:30-31, 30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Romans 10:9, That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Ephesians 2:8-9, 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

1 Peter 1:5, 5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Titus 3:7, 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

John 3:18, He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Romans 4:16, Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Romans 11:6, And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Galatians 5:4, Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

There are many more I could quote, but to me it's quite clear what the scriptures are telling us. Jesus already faced the wrath of God for ALL of our sins on the cross, why keep fighting a fight that's already been won?

 

[GodsGrace]

There are many, many verses in the bible that say all that is necessary to be saved is to believe. If any one of these verses is a lie, then God is a liar. God forbid!
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Acts 16:30-31, 30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Romans 10:9, That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Ephesians 2:8-9, 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

1 Peter 1:5, 5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Titus 3:7, 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

John 3:18, He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Romans 4:16, Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Romans 11:6, And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Galatians 5:4, Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

There are many more I could quote, but to me it's quite clear what the scriptures are telling us. Jesus already faced the wrath of God for ALL of our sins on the cross, why keep fighting a fight that's already been won?

Hi Believer
Welcome to the forum.

I'd like to ask you a question...

The NT was written in Greek.
Do you think the people from 2,000 years ago might have had a different understanding of words than we do today?

For instance, what did the word BELIEVE mean to those reading the NT back then?

 

[GodsGrace]

Do you really want to keep trading Scripture with me? Okay...

Romans 7:6, "But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are enslaved in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the written code."

2 Corinthians 3:4-11, "Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are qualified of ourselves to claim anything as coming from us; our qualification is from God, who has made us qualified to be ministers of a new covenant, not of letter but of spirit, for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Now if the ministry of death, chiseled in letters on stone tablets, came in glory so that the people of Israel could not gaze at Moses’s face because of the glory of his face, a glory now set aside, how much more will the ministry of the Spirit come in glory? For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, much more does the ministry of justification abound in glory! Indeed, what once had glory has in this respect lost its glory because of the greater glory, for if what was set aside came through glory, much more has the permanent come in glory!

Good morning J,
See posts 44 and 45 and please give an answer.
Thanks.

 

[Robert Pate]

It appears you didn't even read your own passage selection.

In verse 3, speaking of the Pharisees and scribes, Jesus plainly tells His disciples to do as they say, but not as they do for they taught the 10 Commandments, but none of them obeyed them. They were all hypocrites and Jesus makes that clear multiple times throughout that chapter calling them a brood of vipers, etc. He is speaking to their kind in John 8:44 as well. None of them kept God's Law, they kept their own Law called the Traditions of Men.

What does that tell you about all the lost Christians today who don't even teach the 10 Commandments but plainly declare that all Christians should not obey them?

Yeah, not good.

All who obey and teach the 10 Commandments will be considered greatest in God's Kingdom. Those who do otherwise will hardly be considered at all.
Matt. 5:19

To those who disobey it.

Nobody has claimed that the 10 Commandments save us. Christ saves us by His shed blood on the Cross. Nevertheless, we are to live as He lived and obey God's Commandments as the breaking of them is the definition of sin.
1 John 2:6
1 John 3:4

Under the New Covenant the law and the commandments have been abolished, Ephesians 2:15. Jesus nailed it to his cross, Colossians 2:14. To live by laws, rules, commandments is to be under the curse, Galatians 3:10. Worse yet, it makes God angry, Romans 4:15. Paul tells us very clearly that, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for those that believe" Romans 10:4. You apparently do not believe God's word.

 

[jaybo]

Good morning J,
See posts 44 and 45 and please give an answer.
Thanks.

I have nothing to say about #44, other than I agree with it totally.

About #45, there is no direct, word-for-word translation into English of Koine Greek. The people from 2,000 years ago might have had a different understanding of words than we do today, but how can that be discerned without asking them? We just have to trust the translators/scholars who have given us Scripture in English that our word "believe" is the best equivalent of the Koine Greek.

The New Testament Greek word pisteuo (believe) means to “be convinced of something” or “give credence to.”

 

[theWind]

Like I said, you are only assuming without factual proof that only the SDA, in which I can only assume you are a part of and correct me if I am wrong, are the only ones who keep the ten commandments and everyone else says they no longer exist. This is a very bold assumption that carries no truth.

You're not being very careful in your wording. I didn't say SDA's are the only denomination that "KEEP" the 10 Commandments. The vast majority of Christians do not keep them.

If you know of a church, anywhere in America, that worships on Saturday and teaches obedience to all of the 10 Commandments - that is NOT SDA - please share it with us all.

No, I am not SDA.

 

[theWind]

As I pointed out this is not a new covenant but a renewal of the old Sinai covenant. Many of those who had dies were present at the at Sinai were in that covenant. It is not unreasonable to suggest that the renewal acknowledged that by including them in the renewal.
However I have consulted 7 commentaries and do not find support for that theory - nor any support for your theory that all gentiles were included.
Of those 7 commentaries:
3 made no comment specifically on vs 15
1 suggested it included those that were not present because they bwere sick or away on urgent business.#
3 suggested it included future generations, just as the covenant with Abraham (Gen 15:18 & 17:9)

You are looking for support for the concept that the 10 Commandments are for everyone within "Men's Commentaries?"

You won't find it.

Stick to the Bible.

I gave you many scriptures to show you that the Old (Sinai) covenant has been done away with and that Paul did not feel obliged for himself or gentiles to be bound by it.
You have given me nothing but your opinions.

More of those nonsense false accusations.

This is my thread. Look at the OP.

Look at post #10.

Don't accuse me again of not posting Scripture to support my arguments.

 

[theWind]

Hi Wind, thankfully the Sabbath law was not carried over to the Christian congregation.

Tell that to the very first Christians who walked along side Jesus Christ in the flesh and learned from His mouth to their ears what He expected of Christians.

They observed the Saturday Sabbath the very night of His death on the Cross. Could almost swear I've already posted that in this thread multiple times, but ..... here it is again.
Luke 23:54-56

And why on earth would you be thankful if it were not a Commandment for Christians?

It is the day immediately prior to the modern-held day of worship. Would that be a huge imposition if that's when modern Christians worshiped instead of Sun?

Please explain.

Do you not like the idea of doing what God Commands His people to do? All the 10 Commandments are for our good, not some punishment or weighty tyrannical imposition.

 

[theWind]

I'm on post 18, just reading through, and I still am unsure of your truth.
Could you clarify please?

If you're asking about the phrase "my message of Truth", which is what I wrote, I don't know how better to explain if you can't see within this thread.

The Title says it all and I have fleshed that concept out throughout this thread.

I'm more than civil to everybody that is civil to me.

 

[theWind]

Also, we on this site, do not ban members that are civil in their posts to others.

It is an absolute FACT that this topic of the 10 Commandments is HATED by every Christian Discussion Forum online so if you decide to ban me, it will be for that reason - or for some other Truth that I am sharing. It will not be because I was ever uncivil or broke too many specific rules.

And you can do that whenever you're ready.

 

[for_his_glory]

You're not being very careful in your wording. I didn't say SDA's are the only denomination that "KEEP" the 10 Commandments. The vast majority of Christians do not keep them.

If you know of a church, anywhere in America, that worships on Saturday and teaches obedience to all of the 10 Commandments - that is NOT SDA - please share it with us all.

No, I am not SDA.

Where is your proof? Have you taken a poll of these vast Christians you speak of?

In the theology Forum you are according to the ToS to provide support for what you claim.

 

[GodsGrace]

It is an absolute FACT that this topic of the 10 Commandments is HATED by every Christian Discussion Forum online so if you decide to ban me, it will be for that reason - or for some other Truth that I am sharing. It will not be because I was ever uncivil or broke too many specific rules.

And you can do that whenever you're ready.

I haven't read through the entire thread, it's not my duty to do so, however, if a member is not respectful toward You, please report it. Use the REPORT button on the bottom left hand side.

ITMT, I think I posted Acts 21?
Please reply if you see that post.

 

[for_his_glory]

This is my thread. Look at the OP.

No member owns a thread they start.

ToS 1.13: Threads started by members are not to be considered as a member's thread or otherwise "owned".

 

[GodsGrace]

It is an absolute FACT that this topic of the 10 Commandments is HATED by every Christian Discussion Forum online so if you decide to ban me, it will be for that reason - or for some other Truth that I am sharing. It will not be because I was ever uncivil or broke too many specific rules.

And you can do that whenever you're ready.

Please see post 41.

 

[theWind]

theWind

OK
I get your POV.
You're a Saturday worshipper and you want everyone else to follow in your belief system.

I just want to say that not all of God's Covenants are Conditional.

Every other Christian might be following only 9 commandments. This is true.

It's also true that those immediately following Jesus worshipped on Sunday, the first day of the week in order to celebrate the Resurrection.


Acts 20:6-7
And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days. 7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them,,,

I'm sorry, but you're wrong.

About everything you posted.

This thread is about the 10 Commandments. About who they were given to and about the FACT that they were never repealed.

Saturday worship is not 'my belief system'. It is what the Bible teaches. Sunday worship isn't spoken of one single time in all of Scripture. 'Breaking bread' simply means a common meal. Does it make sense that they would go from house to house DAILY to worship SUNDAY? No, it does not - yet we have this:

"And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved."
Acts 2:46

And if that's the only verse you are aware of that proves to you that Sunday worship is taught in the Bible, I would really want to delve a bit deeper to find out for certain myself. You will not find one single verse in all of Scripture that declares that the day of worship was changed from Saturday to Sunday.

I encourage you to seek for it. And when you don't find it, pray for God to open your eyes to anything you may have been mistaken about and then reconsider what you once believed to be certain.

God bless you and when you decide to ban me for no good reason, I will pray for you and wish you the best.

 

[theWind]

Under the New Covenant the law and the commandments have been abolished, Ephesians 2:15.

No, they haven't actually.

The Law is now written on the hearts of those who are willing to obey. Christ says it is obedience to the Law that is the prerequisite for the Holy Spirit to even indwell a believer.
John 14:21

Then that Spirit gives them a deeper desire to obey and fully enables their obedience by Christ's power and by the path that He blazed in His life of perfect obedience to all of the Commandments of God.
John 15:10

Jesus nailed it to his cross, Colossians 2:14.

Nope. That was just the sacrificial Laws of ordinances.
Heb. 9:10
Heb. 7:16
Eph. 2:15
Col. 2:14

To live by laws, rules, commandments is to be under the curse, Galatians 3:10.

No, to disobey the Laws of God is to be under the Curse.

Worse yet, it makes God angry, Romans 4:15.

Yes, because God punishes those who obey Him. Yes, yes, you are so right.

Paul tells us very clearly that, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for those that believe" Romans 10:4.

That's because it is not a Law to those who willingly obey God because they love Him.
Isaiah 1:19
Psalm 119:32-171

You apparently do not believe God's word.

I'm not sure you've ever read it. Have you?

 

[GodsGrace]

I'm sorry, but you're wrong.

About everything you posted.

This thread is about the 10 Commandments. About who they were given to and about the FACT that they were never repealed.

Saturday worship is not 'my belief system'. It is what the Bible teaches. Sunday worship isn't spoken of one single time in all of Scripture. 'Breaking bread' simply means a common meal. Does it make sense that they would go from house to house DAILY to worship SUNDAY? No, it does not - yet we have this:

"And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved."
Acts 2:46

And if that's the only verse you are aware of that proves to you that Sunday worship is taught in the Bible, I would really want to delve a bit deeper to find out for certain myself. You will not find one single verse in all of Scripture that declares that the day of worship was changed from Saturday to Sunday.

I encourage you to seek for it. And when you don't find it, pray for God to open your eyes to anything you may have been mistaken about and then reconsider what you once believed to be certain.

God bless you and when you decide to ban me for no good reason, I will pray for you and wish you the best.

I happen to agree with you that we may be breaking one of God's commandments.

Can't say too much now,,,,tomorrow.

But I'll say this:

I'm not wrong about everything I wrote to you.
Not every covenant is conditional, and of this I am 100% certain.

Also, brains bigger than ours have pondered this dilemma and have practiced Sunday worship for 2,000 years.

These new ideas that have come to us post the reformation and are new to Christianity are rather divisive to the Body of Christ.

More in the morning...