The Apostles' Creed

[Nick]

I agree with both creeds as they are good summaries of basic Christian beliefs.

Same here. I love it when we say it as a congregation in church.

 

[chestertonrules]

Hi Jeff,


Jesus established a collective body of believers, the ekklesia. He did not establish one particular denomination to dictate who shall and shall not be a part of God's ekklesia. That is for God to determine, not man!

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I once held this view, but I have been convinced that I was wrong.

Jesus established a single Church. He gave this Church authority and a mission. This Church wrote the Apostles Creed and the New Testament.

If you reject this Church, you had better have a good reason.

 

[Mike]

Hi Jeff,


Jesus established a collective body of believers, the ekklesia. He did not establish one particular denomination to dictate who shall and shall not be a part of God's ekklesia. That is for God to determine, not man!

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I once held this view, but I have been convinced that I was wrong.

Jesus established a single Church. He gave this Church authority and a mission. This Church wrote the Apostles Creed and the New Testament.

If you reject this Church, you had better have a good reason.

Objection. No church wrote the New Testament. The Holy Spirit Inspired the original writers of the books to write them. The Holy Spirit also led the decisions to include books that became the NT. I've supported the creeds, as they summarize Truths found in the Bible. They are not Inspired, but they are true consolidations of our faith.

 

[chestertonrules]

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Objection. No church wrote the New Testament. The Holy Spirit Inspired the original writers of the books to write them. The Holy Spirit also led the decisions to include books that became the NT. I've supported the creeds, as they summarize Truths found in the Bible. They are not Inspired, but they are true consolidations of our faith.

The New Testament was inspired by God, but it was written by men. The books of the New Testament were written and chosen by members of the Church.

The Church is the Body of Christ, so this makes complete sense.

 

[Vic C.]

... The Church is the Body of Christ, so this makes complete sense.

You know, that would be a very agreeable statement, but... those of the RC (latin rite) will always put the emphasis on "The Chruch" while we will put the emphasis on "the Body of Christ".

Oh well... Can we PLEASE get back to discussing the Creed? Why do we have to be so divisive?

 

[chestertonrules]

... The Church is the Body of Christ, so this makes complete sense.

You know, that would be a very agreeable statement, but... those of the RC (latin rite) will always put the emphasis on "The Chruch" while we will put the emphasis on "the Body of Christ".

Oh well... Can we PLEASE get back to discussing the Creed? Why do we have to be so divisive?

The Creed is only divisive for those who deny its meaning.

I thought forums were for debating. I'm not trying to be a trouble maker, I'm just trying to defend my beliefs. I hope I haven't been offensive. I know that I am stubborn!

For a Catholic, by the way, there is not distinction between the Church and the Body of Christ.

We are his bride.

 

[Vic C.]

Forums are also for discussion and fellowship and the sharing of info, like technical forums. :yes

Also, I am not denying it's meaning, I interpret it's meaning from a different perspective. :D

 

[Mike]

The Creed is only divisive for those who deny its meaning.

I thought forums were for debating. I'm not trying to be a trouble maker, I'm just trying to defend my beliefs. I hope I haven't been offensive. I know that I am stubborn!

For a Catholic, by the way, there is not distinction between the Church and the Body of Christ.

We are his bride.

I hope I have adequately expressed to you that, while I see some issues with the RCC, I don't harbor ill will toward the Catholic Church. Our issues are interesting to debate, but I would never assert that we do not share a place in the Body of Christ. I try to go out of my way to say that when I do offer objection.

I know full well that we both agree on everything found in both creeds. It's been my observation that this thread has brought unity as it applies to them, with a few members who created an issue. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone. Just making the point that we agree more than we disagree.

Hope we're good.

 

[shad]

this chruch you have? what is it, you read the bible that's it.

My church is my family and part of the body of Christ. We don't just read the Bible. We serve Jesus on a daily basis. We have ministry that evangelizes to people who don't know Jesus, God and the Bible. We could not to do it when we had to give our tithes and offerings to a church. We are much more effective serving Jesus ever since we stopped attending church.

 

[jasoncran]

this chruch you have? what is it, you read the bible that's it.

My church is my family and part of the body of Christ. We don't just read the Bible. We serve Jesus on a daily basis. We have ministry that evangelizes to people who don't know Jesus, God and the Bible. We could not to do it when we had to give our tithes and offerings to a church. We are much more effective serving Jesus ever since we stopped attending church.

what have you been doing with those that come to this small church , it will grow, unless its the us 4 and no more type.

then you will have to find a building or edifice to contain unless you just go into a ton of cell groups with babes in christ as the leaders.

not all are called to lead in the church and some are just helpers.

 

[shad]

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what have you been doing with those that come to this small church , it will grow, unless its the us 4 and no more type.

We don't try to make it bigger because we want to be accountable with each other in everything we do. It will be family oriented so we know exactly what is going on. So we won't be disgrace to Jesus.

 

[jasoncran]

so in another words you DON"T witness and thus hinder God. what then should the lost do when get em saved, for we are called to make Disciples. how is the discilplining done?
by teaching and living in from the the student. they imitate your walk and do what you do as you imitate the lord.

paul spoke on this

"be ye imatators of me as i imatate christ"

so what do you with the the lost , that you win? send them away?

 

[shad]

so in another words you DON"T witness and thus hinder God.

Are you reading? I just told you we are serving God by evangelizing. Evangelism is witnessing.

 

[jasoncran]

so in another words you DON"T witness and thus hinder God.

Are you reading? I just told you we are serving God by evangelizing. Evangelism is witnessing.

i think you arent truthful on this. that why. you claim to tell others,and what if one is won to the lord, from youre statement you keep this fellowship on this church of yours small.

how can one tell others bout christ and not let them go to the very church they they espouse to be the way to do church. so what do you tell them? sorry you cant come to mine, go elsewhere?

you said you keep it small to be accountable. so who then teaches the young babe in christ? another fellowship that thinks like you?

 

[shad]

i think you arent truthful on this.

You are falsely accusing Jesus' servant without any evidence. God is witness for us.

Jesus is the Judge between us.

I feel sad for you.

 

[shad]

Jason,

You say you are pentecostal and interpret the tongue. To be frank, you are the one who is very suspicious of your claim because we know them by their fruit. We have been members of pentecostal churches and they are flawed. I can say it confidently.

 

[jasoncran]

You say you are pentecostal and interpret the tongue. To be frank, you are the one who is very suspicious of your claim because we know them by their fruit. We have been members of pentecostal churches and they are flawed. I can say it confidently.[/quote]

this is why, i dont call people out on this until i am sure, and this isnt to condemn you, but to show you err.

My church is my family and part of the body of Christ. We don't just read the Bible. We serve Jesus on a daily basis. We have ministry that evangelizes to people who don't know Jesus, God and the Bible. We could not to do it when we had to give our tithes and offerings to a church. We are much more effective serving Jesus ever since we stopped attending church

to evanaglize to reach the lost. to win souls, etc,

your response to my question that i asked;

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what have you been doing with those that come to this small church , it will grow, unless its the us 4 and no more type.

We don't try to make it bigger because we want to be accountable with each other in everything we do. It will be family oriented so we know exactly what is going on. So we won't be disgrace to Jesus.

i asked stated this

so in another words you DON"T witness and thus hinder God. what then should the lost do when get em saved, for we are called to make Disciples. how is the discilplining done?
by teaching and living in from the the student. they imitate your walk and do what you do as you imitate the lord.

paul spoke on this

"be ye imatators of me as i imatate christ"
to which you respond.
Are you reading? I just told you we are serving God by evangelizing. Evangelism is witnessing



then when i see that theres something fishy, by you saying that you dont allow your "chruch " to grow as you want to keep accountability


you take it personally and never respond by saying that i was misunderstood and add how you get them to learn by reading their bible and so, on. instead you attack me and call me a liar.





truth be told, i dont know you, but i did pressure you shad, so i take some of the blame, but you and yes you did contradict yourself and all you had to do is tell me how you disciple them. that's all.




i wanted to know how you do church so that i could understand you position. for you see two of the churches i have attended started just like yours, cept they grow in a few yrs as the lord saw fit.

 

[shad]

truth be told, i dont know you, but i did pressure you shad, so i take some of the blame, but you and yes you did contradict yourself and all you had to do is tell me how you disciple them. that's all.

We disciple each other. I am much older but they still watch out for me too because I am not perfect.

I don't contradict myself, but you are entitled to your opinion.

 

[jasoncran]

then what if the lost soul that you are witnessing to ask to join the small group of yours? he or she wants to learn or gets saved and asks you?

 

[shad]

then what if the lost soul that you are witnessing to ask to join the small group of yours? he or she wants to learn or gets saved and asks you?

We are all prepared for that and of course we welcome anyone to study the Bible with us. I have offered Bible study but they all say they attend church so they don't need to. The organizations reign.

We are mainly preparing for overseas. And encouraging young people to read the Bible every chance we get because most people here in the states believe they are Christians.